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Post: 54384245_1 created on Tue Sep 15, 2009 9:03 pmPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 9:03 pm
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The Mountain Meadow Massacre by Brigham Young, LDS prophet and namesake of BYU, LDS University. WHAT IT ACTUALLY WAS
When I was a young lady of 15 I attended an LDS Summer Camp in the Uintas. On this occasion, our camp leader took us to a clearing in the mountains and told us that this was the place where the Mountain Meadow Massacre had occurred. She warned us not to believe any stories that we heard about the Mountain Meadow Massacre from outsiders or enemies of the church and that now she would reveal to us the real story of what happened. According to the camp leader, a middle aged woman who should have known better, the "real story" was that a group of pioneers were warned by scouts that a party of "savages" were on their way to their camp. Because the war party out numbered the men with rifles and because these Indians were especially known for their savagry, it was decided that all adults would kill their youngest children immediately so that they would not fall into the hands of the vile savages. Then each man, woman and child of the age of reason, took a loaded gun into their hands, they forrmed a circle, and upon the signal shot the person next to them. The reason was to avoid capture and torture by the Indians. This of course a huge fabrication, but it is exemplary of the many types of the pernicious fabrications and outright vicious falsehoods which Mormons typically peddle. When someone is a member of a group such as this, how important is this to us in our overall picture of them? Does being Mormon, for example, in anyway discredit an otherwise decent person such as Senator Orrin Hatch, Sen. Mitch Romney or entertainer Glenn Beck? To me it greatly increases my ability to take them serious especially when they say things like, "Question Everything." I don't see Glenn Beck really questioning his religion at all. Here is the other side of the story. Ragnarawk and I have sense made up and become friends since this posting. Ragnarawk Lies. My mother is Mormon, I'm very, VERY ******** close to her. She goes to church every Sunday, pays her tithing and helps out in the church's library every Saturday. She was the first person on board with me leaving the Church officially. Helped me talk to her bishop, helped me write the letter and found out exactly how I should do it. As a child she never once made me go to her church, and let me go only if I wanted. She'd even stay home and take care of me if I didn't want to go and no one was around to watch me. She was completely and utterly supportive of me when she found out I was a homosexual, and was insanely outraged by her church's involvement in Prop h8. When my girlfriend was kicked out of her home by her family, my mom was the one who invited her to live with us, and she was monetarily supportive (as every other way also) when me and my girlfriend decided to get our own place. She even helped us get our own queen sized bed. She has never EVER pushed her religion on me, and I have been close to her my whole entire life. My best friend is a Mormon, I'm very, VERY ******** close to her. She is currently on her mission in Germany. There have been a handful of times she has asked me to come to her church with her. 1. She asked me to come to the Mormon girls-camp with her, because all the other girls were heartless bitches to her. I accepted. She was pretty damn defendant on my part when I refused to participate in any prayers or "give my testimony on how I know the church is truth." 2. She asked me to attend her 11-year-old sisters wake at her church when she passed away a couple years ago. 3. She asked me to come to her farewell right before she went on her mission for 18 months. Before she went on her mission when gender-neutral marriage was legal in California she told me: "I think [my girlfriend] you and me should move to Cali. You guys can be married and we can have a fun little house with all sorts of kitty's running around! It'd be glorious." She never tried to indoctrinate her beliefs on me, force me to stay a member or even got mad when I left for good. She even likes to debate religion, hers included, with me, and brought to my attention scriptural 'evidence' against her church's involvement in Prop H8. I've been friends with her the majority of my life, and the only time we 'drifted' were those awkward teenaged years since we have a three-year gap in ages. She is one of my closest friends. My other friend is a Mormon, I'm very, VERY ******** close to her. The only thing she has ever asked me to do in regards to her religion was to NOT insult it in front of her, and in actuality she wasn't really saying that to me but to our b*****d Catholic friend. She once thought that homosexuals didn't deserve to get married and that our love was weird and wrong. Slowly, as we became friends, that degraded. She told me once in high school, while we were skipping out on our Stage Craft class, that "even though my church fights it tooth and nail, I really don't see why you and [my girlfriend] should not be able to get married. You guys have been together longer than anyone I've even know while in high school. You two deserve just as much right as I do to get married." For a couple of weeks she asked me to skip my second hour with her. I was okay with that since I was failing school anyway. We'd go to our local ma-and-pa grocery store or sit in the A&W restaurant during this to pass the time. One day I asked her why she wasn't going to her class, her seminary class. She replied telling me that nobody in that accepted her. She wore too much dark clothes, too much dark make-up and had unconventional earrings (she was gauging them), and the kids- not the 'brother'- gave her s**t about it, treating her like an outcast. She told me she really liked to go, but how the treated her was too much to bare sometimes. She then told me that- even around her actual Mormon friends- I was the only person that respect her entirely. The way she dressed, the music she listened to, the books she reads, and, yes, even her religion. She felt I, even though I'm highly against the religion itself, was the only person she could talk to about her religion without feeling outcasted in some way. If she talked to her family about it, they'd preach to her about how she needed to be a better Mormon (and also commented on how she needed to dump me and my girlfriend because we're godless homos). If she talked to our close circle of friends, she'd get ignored or belittled by the Catholic. If she talked to her other, not-so-close friends about it, they'd also preach at her that she needs to be a better Mormon, and stop wearing such 'gothic' attire. But I was different. I didn't push anything on her (and she never pushed anything on me). I didn't ignore her religious problems and I tried to help her to the best of my ability. I didn't belittle her and tell her her religion sucked donkey balls. We have an amazing friendship and when we're alone she tells me all her concerns regarding her religion. She thought it was good that I left the Church. She told me I shouldn't be "officially" part of a religion I don't believe in and supported me 100% of the way. None of the three above, the close friends I was referring to in my first post, have ever tried to make my join or stay a Mormon, and all were entirely supportive in my choice to leave, because they knew that would be what was best for me. Even though the majority of Mormons I know are.... distasteful.... I completely and utterly disagree with your "ALL MORMONS ARE THIS WAY" attitude, and take offense that you think they should all be this way because of the religion they subscribe to. There- longwinded rant OVER. D: |
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