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Alsashia

Free speech isn't as free as we think it is, sad to say there are restrictions even in America.

Ok? So your answer is more anti-speech laws?

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The United States Supreme Court has upheld certain cases where the speech is considered dangerous to the public one of the opinions in such cases gave us the scenario of the responsibility of someone yelling fire in a theatre causing a panic.

A reasonable restriction.

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Part of the reason hate speech is outlawed is that cowardly people would incite others to do their dirty work for them which is not courageous in any way.

But hate speech isn't outlawed . . . (in the US).

And that isn't clearly true.

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There are concequences to breaking laws for a reason.

And?

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The differences between the government violence and the hater violence are that the following:

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The U.S. is barred from cruel and unsual punishments.

How is this different from "hater violence"?

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You can in fact leave a country/government like the U.S. beforehand.

Not always true, an so what if you can? Does that therefore justify the passing of a law requiring fags to be lynched, since they could have left beforehand? Absurd.

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The public have given implicit consent to the laws they live with and if not they have means by which they can change the laws.
The government, nor the public, has the final say of the law of the land in a country.
The "public" is just the majority, who have time and time again showed cruelty to minorities. If dissent is unjustified because of the implicit consent to which you refer, then Martin Luther King Jr. shouldn't have engaged in civil disobedience (which is obviously against the law) because he "implicitly consented" to living in the US.
Alsashia

Government wise it is practical matter of curbing poverty and preventing more expensive consequences to arise.

So what?

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When people pay insurance it is implied that it is for all general health type stuff, and the reproductive systems of both men and women are part of their general health.

Implied by whom? The only entity that has any right to imply in such matters is the insurance company, and they clearly all didn't "imply" that, since they didn't offer it.

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Abortions can be important to a woman whose health is endangered by a pregnancy or when the baby has already died or miscarried. No matter how you argue there are risks to any pregnancy many are minor but there are also some major ones that can result in permanant harm or death.

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And why is society responsible for the risks?


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It is responsible for the risks if the woman is not given a choice.

She should be free to abort or not, but why is society responsible for the costs?

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Also, society gets the consequences of people who are killed or injured that would not otherwise have been.

Those consequences are her responsibility (and the father's). Why would they be anyone else's?

Ok, talk more later. Lot's to cover.
hahahalolwut
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then, in that case, what makes a hate-motivated crime worse than a money-motivated one?


you don't understand hate crime legislation

it doesn't worsen the penalty for committing a crime because of hate, it makes it a crime to commit acts which have the effect of victimising a community

like, say, killing a black guy and then carving DIE NIGGERS DIE into his corpse

And why is that worse than killing a black guy for money?

Not to mention, killing for money victimising a community no less that killing out of hate. It still instills dread that anyone could be killed for money.
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hahahalolwut
Keltoi Samurai
then, in that case, what makes a hate-motivated crime worse than a money-motivated one?


you don't understand hate crime legislation

it doesn't worsen the penalty for committing a crime because of hate, it makes it a crime to commit acts which have the effect of victimising a community

like, say, killing a black guy and then carving DIE NIGGERS DIE into his corpse

And why is that worse than killing a black guy for money?


what?

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Not to mention, killing for money victimis[es] a community no less tha[n] killing out of hate. It still instills dread that anyone could be killed for money.


i really don't understand what you're arguing here. could you elaborate?
hahahalolwut

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Not to mention, killing for money victimis[es] a community no less tha[n] killing out of hate. It still instills dread that anyone could be killed for money.


i really don't understand what you're arguing here. could you elaborate?

To the extent that a community is victimized from a crime committed against a single member of that community, crimes committed for money can affect the community just as much as crime committed out of hate.

When a crime is committed out of hate, members of that community are scared that there will be further crimes committed out of hate.

When a crime is committed for money, members of that community are scared that there will be further crimes committed for money.
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hahahalolwut

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Not to mention, killing for money victimis[es] a community no less tha[n] killing out of hate. It still instills dread that anyone could be killed for money.


i really don't understand what you're arguing here. could you elaborate?

To the extent that a community is victimized from a crime committed against a single member of that community, crimes committed for money can affect the community just as much as crime committed out of hate.

When a crime is committed out of hate, members of that community are scared that there will be further crimes committed out of hate.

When a crime is committed for money, members of that community are scared that there will be further crimes committed for money.


are you suggesting placing a bounty on scalps of a certain ethnicity

cause that's certainly one way to lower the poverty rate, but still
hahahalolwut
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hahahalolwut

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Not to mention, killing for money victimis[es] a community no less tha[n] killing out of hate. It still instills dread that anyone could be killed for money.


i really don't understand what you're arguing here. could you elaborate?

To the extent that a community is victimized from a crime committed against a single member of that community, crimes committed for money can affect the community just as much as crime committed out of hate.

When a crime is committed out of hate, members of that community are scared that there will be further crimes committed out of hate.

When a crime is committed for money, members of that community are scared that there will be further crimes committed for money.


are you suggesting placing a bounty on scalps of a certain ethnicity

cause that's certainly one way to lower the poverty rate, but still
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I am a feminism in that...

-Eliminating legal barriers on women to join professions (except I don't think they should go to the front lines)
-Using reason or other peaceful measures to end the stigma on career women
-Acknowledging the right of female suffrage

The isn't only two types of feminism. There is a whole spectrum of different feminists.

Also I feel like the groups you made for these feminists...isn't representing or describing. You are basically say..."There are two types of feminists...the good ones and the annoying outspoken ones."

Also not all feminists support abortion; in fact some of them want to make it illegal. They are like right-wing atheists; they are rare but seen before.
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I am a feminism in that...

-Eliminating legal barriers on women to join professions (except I don't think they should go to the front lines)
-Using reason or other peaceful measures to end the stigma on career women
-Acknowledging the right of female suffrage

The isn't only two types of feminism. There is a whole spectrum of different feminists.

Also I feel like the groups you made for these feminists...isn't representing or describing. You are basically say..."There are two types of feminists...the good ones and the annoying outspoken ones."

Also not all feminists support abortion; in fact some of them want to make it illegal. They are like right-wing atheists; they are rare but seen before.

Obviously there are not only two absolute categories, but the majority of feminists fit into one of these two camps, making for a useful interpretation of feminist politics.

Yes, it's true that not all feminists support abortion. What is your point? And there are plenty of right-wing atheists.
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I am a feminism in that...

-Eliminating legal barriers on women to join professions (except I don't think they should go to the front lines)
-Using reason or other peaceful measures to end the stigma on career women
-Acknowledging the right of female suffrage

The isn't only two types of feminism. There is a whole spectrum of different feminists.

Also I feel like the groups you made for these feminists...isn't representing or describing. You are basically say..."There are two types of feminists...the good ones and the annoying outspoken ones."

Also not all feminists support abortion; in fact some of them want to make it illegal. They are like right-wing atheists; they are rare but seen before.

Obviously there are not only two absolute categories, but the majority of feminists fit into one of these two camps, making for a useful interpretation of feminist politics.

Yes, it's true that not all feminists support abortion. What is your point? And there are plenty of right-wing atheists.

Making useful interpretation of feminist politics? You are only focused on few parts of it.

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The few parts that are the first thing that comes to mind when a person hears feminist. Unfortunately for some women who call themselves feminist, a idea that has a bad reputation because of certain feminist leaders, they have to face people judging them.

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