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Yes I understand. But they choose to apply for said job, they made a choice. No one's forcing them (unless it's illegal)


they are being forced. by life. life costs money.


Life costs money? Is that a surprise?
Is it a surprise that there is a job market to you? Meaning that there are other jobs besides porn for women. So clearly life doesn't force women to do anything.
If a woman chooses to make pornography, it is no fault to anyone, only to herself. Again. She made that choice. No one forced.
Life does not force people.
Life


>implying people don't enter into the best job they can get

it's almost like you think drug addiction and shitty life choices aren't rampant in pornography

most of these women wouldn't be able to get anything other than minimum wage if they weren't working in the sex industry


Because you fail to give evidence on your claim that those women wouldn't be able to get jobs above minimum wage and that they have rampant drug abuse and s**t life choices, everything you just stated is an opinion with no empirical evidence.
Again. You have failed to bring proof that these women are forced into these situations.
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You can prove that 99% of women in porn are in it because they NEED the money? Please show me the proof.
There is a difference between needing the money and wanting the money.


i can live on the street and survive without the internet, without more clothing than i already have on my body, without food that i don't find in the garbage.

is everything surplus to that "want" rather than "need"?
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Yes I understand. But they choose to apply for said job, they made a choice. No one's forcing them (unless it's illegal)


they are being forced. by life. life costs money.


Life costs money? Is that a surprise?
Is it a surprise that there is a job market to you? Meaning that there are other jobs besides porn for women. So clearly life doesn't force women to do anything.
If a woman chooses to make pornography, it is no fault to anyone, only to herself. Again. She made that choice. No one forced.
Life does not force people.
Life


>implying people don't enter into the best job they can get

it's almost like you think drug addiction and shitty life choices aren't rampant in pornography

most of these women wouldn't be able to get anything other than minimum wage if they weren't working in the sex industry


Because you fail to give evidence on your claim that those women wouldn't be able to get jobs above minimum wage and that they have rampant drug abuse and s**t life choices, everything you just stated is an opinion with no empirical evidence.
Again. You have failed to bring proof that these women are forced into these situations.


how exactly would i provide empirical evidence that most of these women would not be able to get above minimum wage

the best that i could possibly provide would be statistical.
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You can prove that 99% of women in porn are in it because they NEED the money? Please show me the proof.
There is a difference between needing the money and wanting the money.


i can live on the street and survive without the internet, without more clothing than i already have on my body, without food that i don't find in the garbage.

is everything surplus to that "want" rather than "need"?


You're the one that said they NEEDed money. Not me.
Needs and wants are different. As I said.


yet you refuse to quantify them.

what is need

what is want

pretty please


Need

Want
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Yes I understand. But they choose to apply for said job, they made a choice. No one's forcing them (unless it's illegal)


they are being forced. by life. life costs money.


Life costs money? Is that a surprise?
Is it a surprise that there is a job market to you? Meaning that there are other jobs besides porn for women. So clearly life doesn't force women to do anything.
If a woman chooses to make pornography, it is no fault to anyone, only to herself. Again. She made that choice. No one forced.
Life does not force people.
Life


>implying people don't enter into the best job they can get

it's almost like you think drug addiction and shitty life choices aren't rampant in pornography

most of these women wouldn't be able to get anything other than minimum wage if they weren't working in the sex industry

well its not our fault we marginalize them


i'm not saying that it is.

i was being sarcastic, it totes is.
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i said that nothing is degrading ever in direct response to what i quoted. nothing is degrading ever if degradation can only occur on a gender-wide scale


Why would the personal choices of a single woman degrade all women, which you seem to suggest is a possibility? If you can explain the mechanics of that I'd be interested in hearing you out.


no, i said that the personal choices of a single woman cannot degrade all women.


Then aren't the two of you in agreement? That was how I understood Commander Kojiro's post as well.


no, because i was talking about degradation on the individual level.


Um...maybe earlier in the exchange but you were certainly talking about both when I interjected as I was specifically looking for clarification on that point. It's not the end of the world to realize you agree upon a single notion.
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You can prove that 99% of women in porn are in it because they NEED the money? Please show me the proof.
There is a difference between needing the money and wanting the money.


i can live on the street and survive without the internet, without more clothing than i already have on my body, without food that i don't find in the garbage.

is everything surplus to that "want" rather than "need"?


You're the one that said they NEEDed money. Not me.
Needs and wants are different. As I said.


yet you refuse to quantify them.

what is need

what is want

pretty please


Need

Want


neither of those give a level of income for need or want

would you kindly do so
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i said that nothing is degrading ever in direct response to what i quoted. nothing is degrading ever if degradation can only occur on a gender-wide scale


Why would the personal choices of a single woman degrade all women, which you seem to suggest is a possibility? If you can explain the mechanics of that I'd be interested in hearing you out.


no, i said that the personal choices of a single woman cannot degrade all women.


Then aren't the two of you in agreement? That was how I understood Commander Kojiro's post as well.


no, because i was talking about degradation on the individual level.


Um...maybe earlier in the exchange but you were certainly talking about both when I interjected as I was specifically looking for clarification on that point. It's not the end of the world to realize you agree upon a single notion.


at that point i was showing that it was logically absurd to talk about degradation on a gender-wide scale
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Yes I understand. But they choose to apply for said job, they made a choice. No one's forcing them (unless it's illegal)


they are being forced. by life. life costs money.


Life costs money? Is that a surprise?
Is it a surprise that there is a job market to you? Meaning that there are other jobs besides porn for women. So clearly life doesn't force women to do anything.
If a woman chooses to make pornography, it is no fault to anyone, only to herself. Again. She made that choice. No one forced.
Life does not force people.
Life


>implying people don't enter into the best job they can get

it's almost like you think drug addiction and shitty life choices aren't rampant in pornography

most of these women wouldn't be able to get anything other than minimum wage if they weren't working in the sex industry


Because you fail to give evidence on your claim that those women wouldn't be able to get jobs above minimum wage and that they have rampant drug abuse and s**t life choices, everything you just stated is an opinion with no empirical evidence.
Again. You have failed to bring proof that these women are forced into these situations.


how exactly would i provide empirical evidence that most of these women would not be able to get above minimum wage

the best that i could possibly provide would be statistical.


Statiscals are nice.

You're the one who knows what these women's lives are like apparently, so find a way to prove it.
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You can prove that 99% of women in porn are in it because they NEED the money? Please show me the proof.
There is a difference between needing the money and wanting the money.


i can live on the street and survive without the internet, without more clothing than i already have on my body, without food that i don't find in the garbage.

is everything surplus to that "want" rather than "need"?


You're the one that said they NEEDed money. Not me.
Needs and wants are different. As I said.


yet you refuse to quantify them.

what is need

what is want

pretty please


Need

Want


neither of those give a level of income for need or want

would you kindly do so

You said they needed money, therefore it's not up to me to support your claim. Do it yourself.
Commander Kojiro
You said they needed money, therefore it's not up to me to support your claim. Do it yourself.


i'm not asking you to support my claim, i'm asking you what you define as need

holy ********, this isn't hard
Commander Kojiro
Statiscals are nice.

You're the one who knows what these women's lives are like apparently, so find a way to prove it.


i know what their life is like because i have read a lot on the subject. there are no easy charts.
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You said they needed money, therefore it's not up to me to support your claim. Do it yourself.


i'm not asking you to support my claim, i'm asking you what you define as need

holy ********, this isn't hard


Did you not say level of income? Did you not say quantify?

I already gave you the definitions of need and want.

So Merry Christmas. Hallelujah. Holy s**t
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Statiscals are nice.

You're the one who knows what these women's lives are like apparently, so find a way to prove it.


i know what their life is like because i have read a lot on the subject. there are no easy charts.


That's anecdotal. Still no proof.
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You said they needed money, therefore it's not up to me to support your claim. Do it yourself.


i'm not asking you to support my claim, i'm asking you what you define as need

holy ********, this isn't hard


Did you not say level of income? Did you not say quantify?

I already gave you the definitions of need and want.

So Merry Christmas. Hallelujah. Holy s**t
i think that Christmas greeting are long overdue

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