Fatass or Giant Prune: What's the Point?

[Supa Beanie]

eikocarol212

Supa Beanie

eikocarol212

Supa Beanie

eikocarol212

Supa Beanie

You're operating this whole question around superficial concepts which I get, some people are that superficial. But my take on it is, why bother losing weight to please a world that can't be pleased. First you lose the weight, pay out the 15K to look good in a swimsuit again. After that though, how much more is expected for people to be this unreachable concept of 'perfect'? To be honest screw what other people think, if it's not for me then it's not worth doing. We all want to be accepted, sure, but at the expense of pushing out hard earned cash into a thankless concept, please. The ones who do it are just as fake and worthless as the ones who push out the concept that being skinny means 'perfect' or 'acceptable' and looking good skinny is that extra bonus that makes you worth being seen with in public. Give me a break, losing weight doesn't give you self worth, and it won't make you feel better about yourself. In the end you're still going to be you, and if you're unhappy fat, you'll be unhappy skinny, you'll just be a healthier unhappy you. rolleyes

I like you.....lets be friends. For reals.

I'd be happy to be your friend =]

Yay. 3nodding

Seriously, you are one of the few people on the ED who isn't all "Lolz, fatties need to lose weight."

I would probably /wrists if I ever ended up in that group, people need to lighten up about people being overweight. I even see people on forums sometimes bagging on "fatties" under the disguise of being concerned for their health. But the truth is, people still haven't accepted the whole differences truth yet, they want the world to conform to their ideas instead of accepting that everyone will not and cannot be the same. It's sick.

Yep. Pretty much. It's sad how we humans create our own s**t. "Everyone is a unique individual!!!" but at the same time "Everyone needs to follow this guideline in order to be socially acceptable!!!" We're too superficial for our own good, and it's gonna bite us in the a**.

It already has bit us in the a**, we're having this discussion aren't we? I'm sure this same discussion is being had nation wide on forums and in chatrooms and in homes as we speak. The truth is let other people worry about their own health and weight, and leave them alone. Being too skinny is unhealthy too, and people bag on that as well, so where does acceptance really come in? If you're not skinny enough you're a fatty, and if you're too skinny you're an anorexic. We'd be better off minding our own business, and letting people have the weight discussion with their doctors. I know some people who are hugely overweight, but they're healthy as a peach in June. I also know some drastically underweight people who are also healthy, so why is it really anyone's business about another person's weight.

[That_comic_guy]

Crazy Steve Baggins

ultimec1a

Weight loss isn't necessarily done for superficial reasons.

Also what about fat a** dudes? Do i need to post some pictures? mad

[eikocarol212]

Supa Beanie

eikocarol212

Supa Beanie

eikocarol212

Supa Beanie

I'd be happy to be your friend =]

Yay. 3nodding

Seriously, you are one of the few people on the ED who isn't all "Lolz, fatties need to lose weight."

I would probably /wrists if I ever ended up in that group, people need to lighten up about people being overweight. I even see people on forums sometimes bagging on "fatties" under the disguise of being concerned for their health. But the truth is, people still haven't accepted the whole differences truth yet, they want the world to conform to their ideas instead of accepting that everyone will not and cannot be the same. It's sick.

Yep. Pretty much. It's sad how we humans create our own s**t. "Everyone is a unique individual!!!" but at the same time "Everyone needs to follow this guideline in order to be socially acceptable!!!" We're too superficial for our own good, and it's gonna bite us in the a**.

It already has bit us in the a**, we're having this discussion aren't we? I'm sure this same discussion is being had nation wide on forums and in chatrooms and in homes as we speak. The truth is let other people worry about their own health and weight, and leave them alone. Being too skinny is unhealthy too, and people bag on that as well, so where does acceptance really come in? If you're not skinny enough you're a fatty, and if you're too skinny you're an anorexic. We'd be better off minding our own business, and letting people have the weight discussion with their doctors. I know some people who are hugely overweight, but they're healthy as a peach in June. I also know some drastically underweight people who are also healthy, so why is it really anyone's business about another person's weight.

Exactly. And then there's the whole bullcrap about the BMI system.....Ugh. We think we know everything about weight, when in actuality, we know nothing. I wish that we would all just get off our high horses.

[Legendary_Blade]

ultimec1a

Weight loss isn't necessarily done for superficial reasons.

I concur with the final boss of FF8 here. I like women of healthy weight because it's attractive AND healthy

[Hyperdryve]

There's overall health. There's feeling better and having more energy. Social confidence. No, maybe they will or will not look good without clothes on but we don't walk around naked all day. It can help people feel better about themselves and have more confidence in day to day life.

Besides, you got to figure they come up with new and improved medical procedures all the time. Maybe in a few years or more they will better be able to get rid of stretch marks and for cheaper. *shrug*

[Supa Beanie]

Hyperdryve

There's overall health. There's feeling better and having more energy. Social confidence. No, maybe they will or will not look good without clothes on but we don't walk around naked all day. It can help people feel better about themselves and have more confidence in day to day life.

Besides, you got to figure they come up with new and improved medical procedures all the time. Maybe in a few years or more they will better be able to get rid of stretch marks and for cheaper. *shrug*

Don't make me laugh, social confidence my a**! The only reason it gives you social confidence is because of the fake perception that you have to be what people want you to be so that you can be socially acceptable. Being fat doesn't make you not have energy, it's lack of exercise, which does not go hand in hand with being overweight. The lack of energy comes from poor eating choices, lack of exercise, lack of healthy productive activity. It's a proven fact that people who have jobs, are more healthy than those who don't, not only because of physical activity but because of the sense of fulfillment and accomplishment they get from working and earning a paycheck. So you can get fulfillment and accomplishment which also can equal out to happiness just by having a job! The women who are house wives also get the same effect by cleaning their house and taking care of their family. If your weight determines who you are in society then screw society they're not worth the time or sweat it would take to get skinny just to fit in. Get a job, get some money, pay some bills, have real fulfillment and accomplishment and PURPOSE in life and be happy.

[Xinivrae]

Actually, speaking as a fattie here: We don't all hate our stretch marks. Some of us have even grown to like them. As for myself, I don't mind them. I have probably over a hundred scars on my body, what's another few shiny, silvery ones?

Also, I don't need to lose weight. Nor do I want to; I like the way I am now. I just need to eat more, actually. D: I barely eat as it is. After that, I'd be pretty much completely healthy. :3 And that's what you should strive to be; healthy, without it mattering what weight you are.

I'm pretty sure skinny people get stretch marks too, though. ._.

[Nonesuch Solo]

Saint Malice The Bloody

lol don't get fat in the fist place

"lol" is right. It's a big ******** joke. Haha, fat is easily preventable! Just follow hundreds rules that don't take into account your body type, metabolism, underlying medical conditions, emotional factors, or anything else.

That way, people who remain skinny--regardless of whether they follow those rules--will feel like they aren't Doing Something Wrong because duhhh they aren't fat! And obviously the people who ARE fat got that way from sitting around all day in a bathtub full of soda with one hand full of Twinkies and the other gripping a Big Mac, eating donuts that have been hung from the ceiling by string for their convenience and the pizza guy on speed-dial.

rolleyes

[Nonesuch Solo]

I was doomed to stretch marks in puberty.

Went from a flat-chested little preteen to--BAM!--C-cups in what, five months' time?

I was like HOLY HELL WTF AM I SUPPOSED TO DO WITH THESE?

[Xinivrae]

Nonesuch Solo

I was doomed to stretch marks in puberty.

Went from a flat-chested little preteen to--BAM!--C-cups in what, five months' time?

I was like HOLY HELL WTF AM I SUPPOSED TO DO WITH THESE?

BAHAHAHA! That was my first reaction too! 8D I spent about a week just squishing them because I figured that pretty much all they were were squishy stress globes. Very therapeutic.

[Overexposure]

If you're lucky, the stretch marks will look like sweet a** scars and you can tell people you wrestled an alligator for looking at you wrong.

This works better if you get alligator skin boots or a purse.


So if you're going to get fit, drop the weight and tell people the cool stories behind your scars. Suddenly you're a more interesting person.

That's the point.

[Vixianna]

Khamsin

Michael Noire

Some of you are skinny. Some of you were born skinny and stayed skinny. Some of you, are fat, or became fat after your metabolism slowed down, after you got pregnant, or after you moved to a city full of junk food.

Those of you who are skinny, are often directly or indirectly opposed to Fat people - like fat people aren't normal and need to lose weight to look like they belong. Kind of like in that Episode of Hell's kitchen where the guy is too fat to be permitted on the Helicopter ride (with several other people).

Now, what a lot of you who are fat don't know, and most of you who are skinny have probably forgotten, is something called Stretch marks. I did some checking, and they do not go away naturally. They cost upwards of $15,000 to remove with less than a good chance of success. Now some of you, who are fat, have probably been on several diets. You might have tried exercise, granola bars, yogurt, salads and lean meats. A few of you have actually figured out how to lose weight. What you aren't telling the rest of the fatties is itself more disgusting than a bucket of liposuctioned lard. You aren't telling them that even if they Do lose weight, they will be scarred for life. And the fatter they were, the more scars they will have.

Seriously, I have to ask at this juncture: What's the point?

Is weight loss - even the kind that reduces waste size, and builds muscle - is it worth it, when you will never be able to wear a swimsuit again? I put forward the idea that weight loss and dieting are largely pointless if your weight isn't going to kill you - because the stretch marks are going to look just as unpleasant to strangers as the fat would have been.

Why do you think fat people should still lose weight, if they are going to still look gross even after all the effort (such as the TV show "Biggest Loser)? Discuss.

Well, two things. Health benefits and self-esteem.

1. There are a lot of reasons to trim down if you're overweight. That's not to say hit the perfect number and get instant beauty, but just losting 10-20 pounds can make a huge difference in your risk factors. If you're overweight, you risk higher blood pressure, type II diabetes, joint problems, and (for women) increased chances of breast cancer.

2. There's a psychological factor at work, here, too. People who gain loads of weight don't get there just by eating a few potato chips. It's indicative of some underlying psychological problem (some rape victims do this deter future aggressors) and it needs to be sorted out. Attaining a healthier body weight does wonders for one's self-esteem. If nothing else, it gives a feeling of control and success in life, which increases quality of life.

I love ya but no and no.

1. Here's an interesting study, admittedly done on Korean men(who tend to have smaller frames than the average American female but still) Source The abstract in interesting, but you need to increase your screen size with your mouse wheel yo read it all. Basically, those who had a body fat % over 25(What BMI is supposed to but doesn't actually accurately measure) had increased CadioV. risks, while those with a BMI over 25(which is supposed to be fat percentage) but body Fat below 25% did not. Basically, it was percentage of fat NOT BMI that predicted Cardiovascular risks. This means it's not the number on the scale, but how much actual fat, not BMI, that you are carrying.

It might also be noted that I've found research that says although black women have higher BMI;s and body weights, they don't actually suffer from my obesity, as defined by having 40% or more body fat. Even at the higher BMI's, obviously that means that the difference in weight is lean weight like muscle.

Obviously unless those 10-20 pounds lost are pure fat and you were over 25% to begin with, chances are it's not going to make a lick of difference.

2. With just 15 calories a day over what you need to survive you can put on two pounds a year. Do it over 10 years and all of a sudden, you have a 20 pound problem on your hands, and now your are married with kids and a high maintenance and stress job, and little time to fix it. 15 calories is half a slice of bread. It's a very easy thing to do. So yeah so can eat just a few potato chips over a day to get overweight. Cause two pounds is a very small amount. It's why many overweight folks are middle aged.

[Nonesuch Solo]

Xinivrae

Nonesuch Solo

I was doomed to stretch marks in puberty.

Went from a flat-chested little preteen to--BAM!--C-cups in what, five months' time?

I was like HOLY HELL WTF AM I SUPPOSED TO DO WITH THESE?

BAHAHAHA! That was my first reaction too! 8D I spent about a week just squishing them because I figured that pretty much all they were were squishy stress globes. Very therapeutic.

I started wearing really baggy shirts and slouching, myself. crying

[Vixianna]

Supa Beanie

You're operating this whole question around superficial concepts which I get, some people are that superficial. But my take on it is, why bother losing weight to please a world that can't be pleased. First you lose the weight, pay out the 15K to look good in a swimsuit again. After that though, how much more is expected for people to be this unreachable concept of 'perfect'? To be honest screw what other people think, if it's not for me then it's not worth doing. We all want to be accepted, sure, but at the expense of pushing out hard earned cash into a thankless concept, please. The ones who do it are just as fake and worthless as the ones who push out the concept that being skinny means 'perfect' or 'acceptable' and looking good skinny is that extra bonus that makes you worth being seen with in public. Give me a break, losing weight doesn't give you self worth, and it won't make you feel better about yourself. In the end you're still going to be you, and if you're unhappy fat, you'll be unhappy skinny, you'll just be a healthier unhappy you. rolleyes

Can we be friends too?

[Vixianna]

Nonesuch Solo

Xinivrae

Nonesuch Solo

I was doomed to stretch marks in puberty.

Went from a flat-chested little preteen to--BAM!--C-cups in what, five months' time?

I was like HOLY HELL WTF AM I SUPPOSED TO DO WITH THESE?

BAHAHAHA! That was my first reaction too! 8D I spent about a week just squishing them because I figured that pretty much all they were were squishy stress globes. Very therapeutic.

I started wearing really baggy shirts and slouching, myself. crying

I've had breast since I was 9-10, at least an A-Cup then. They just kept growing, and growing. Then I had growth spurts but by the time I was 14 they were DD. Right now the extra size is extra fat, but even if I lose the extra weight(and I luckily go out and in, in proportion,) They'll still be DD honkers...on the plus side, small children love me, I'm ultra comfy, and they like to sleep on me and snuggle. It's a plus.