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theothermanoverthere
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My point is that your response was indicative of someone who cant read. To expand, you did not respond to anything in my post, so I assume you cant read.

This.

I would simply tell the man that if a grown adult is going to take their view of him based on what their children tell them they were told on Facebook, then that is no adult I would much care to know or deal with.

Exactly- How you made the response like yours is indicative only of someone who cant read.
No your words seem to read that if a kid says something Facebook then and an adult care about then they are not people you want to be around. Well what if one kid tells a nother she was raped on Facebook? By your statement an adult should not care.

Ahhh, like I suspected. You cant read. Lets try it another way...

I said that if a kid expresses views about the moral character or individual nature of an adult on Facebook, which another kid then reads and tells to a parent, such a parent who takes their opinion of another adult based on what amounts to high school hallway gossip is not an adult that is worth engaging.

I never made it blanket to all claims, I head "Hooked on Phonics" works great for people to learn to read.
I you did maybe not meant to but it did.

"Hooked on Phonics" helps you to avoid reading things that are not there.
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Way to miss the forest in the trees. The point is that birds fly, fish swim, and teenagers whine. Its childish and immature to over-react by destroying the machine with a gun, even if it was simply making good on a threat.


How is it "childish"? And why is it an "overreaction"?

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The threat itself was stupid to even make in the first place.


Why? It's something that is undesirable to the child, but not abusive. Sounds ******** spot-on, to me.

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If he felt it was so imperative to take the device from her, then donate it to a school,


Do you realize how sensitive information on a computer, can be?

"Donating" a computer, by just handing it over, can be DANGEROUS. If the person who receives it is savvy enough, they can get their hands on some particularly sensitive information, based on previous usage. This is why people are always advised to destroy the hard-drive. Or at the very least, scramble it. But destruction is still preferred.

Well...I'd say it's pretty ******** likely that he iced the hard-drive with one of those bullets.

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or a homeless shelter.


Maybe it's a bit harsh to ask...but what the ******** does a homeless person need a computer for? To update their Facebook status to "Yep. Still homeless."? Check their stocks that they don't have? Read up on Kim Kardashian's latest gossip?

Somehow, I feel homeless people have problems that supersede computer access.

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There are tons of ways to deprive her of the device without making such a big show of it like its Broadway's "Guys and Dolls".


Making a show of it, was kinda the point. He wanted to set an example. Mission accomplished.

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Destroying something is losing control.


No, not by default. Throwing a brick through McDonald's drive-thru window, because they forgot you wanted your burger "without onions", is losing control. Putting a handful of bullets into a computer that has been abused, is really....not.

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The options are many that dont include destroying anything.


But where's the fun in that?

His response was childish and an overreaction because he used the gun to essentially ritualistically destroy an object.


Would you prefer he use an ax? I imagine the gun was just the easiest means, to him.

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The gun served no other purpose than to be an over-the-top and dramatic showing of force and aggression that the situation did not call for.


I don't agree. I think it was more of a "hmm...well....that'll get the job done better than my bare hands, or a steak knife."

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That he put himself in such a situation where he would need to make good on a threat so childish is what made it stupid.


Like you've never made a threat, to someone.

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Lost on the tree again, I see?


What can I say? It smells so pine fresh. emotion_awesome

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The point that you again dance around is that the dad had many more options.


And? He chose one. What of it? When I go to Burger King, I have plenty of damn options, myself. But a choice must be made.

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Yet, out of everything, he chose to use a gun to destroy something. Whether you can think of them, like them, etc. it doesnt matter.


Obviously it does matter, if you're making such a big deal about which option he chose.

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The point is they were there, even if his objective was to destroy the object. The fact that you discussed punishment in terms of entertaining yourself shows how inappropriate the punishment was.


That's called a joke. Lighten up. The point is, he had choices. He made one. You don't agree with the choice he made. Oh well. World keeps on spinnin'.

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Protip: Work with the homeless.


If it's all the same to you, I'd kinda rather not. I donate to charities. That's good enough for me.

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Computer access is a huge asset for them, as it allows them to apply for online job applications (more and more of which are only online now), fill out federal and state documents, research resources, etc.


In my day, we had library computers for that s**t.

Oh please- so his only options to ritualistically destroy a computer is hands, knife, or gun?


I did not say that. I simply stuck with a few basic options, for simplicity's sake.

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Really? You need a better position to hang your hat on.


My hat hangs just fine, on this position.

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He is an adult and has a ton of options if he wants to be all "Me adult, me destroy".


So what difference does it make, which one he chooses? It seems that you just don't like that he chose to use a gun. When the gun is an irrelevant component to the issue.

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Though, as I mentioned, he should not have even made such a promise that would commit him to doing so.


Why not? Bratty teens have to be taught against such behavior. It's only customary to issue a fair warning first. If they don't accept that warning, then that's on them.

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When you have choices and you choose the childish and immature one, guess what? That makes you childish and immature.


Why is it "childish and immature", though?
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How is it "childish"? And why is it an "overreaction"?

Why? It's something that is undesirable to the child, but not abusive. Sounds ******** spot-on, to me.


Teaching respect is not accomplished by being disrespectful. Yes, he made a threat. Yes, he lived up to it. No, he has not accomplished earning respect. Maybe its saccharine distant cousin, fear: but fear is easily substituted. A violently jealous boyfriend is a great next step!

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Do you realize how sensitive information on a computer, can be?

"Donating" a computer, by just handing it over, can be DANGEROUS. If the person who receives it is savvy enough, they can get their hands on some particularly sensitive information, based on previous usage. This is why people are always advised to destroy the hard-drive. Or at the very least, scramble it. But destruction is still preferred.


For most situations, wiping it suffices. As a professed IT tech, he probably knows how to do that. And the chances of some kid having financial info on her personal computer, especially with a tech dad, are slim.

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Somehow, I feel homeless people have problems that supersede computer access.


A computer can significantly impact your access to upward mobility. It allows you to research better opportunities; better tactics. Places to go looking for a job. Putting out far more applications than you would be able to otherwise. And writing the resume to print up at the library.

I ended up netless for a month, and it made a huge, detrimental impact to my ability to engage clients with new information. This contributed to me getting laid off.

The internet is for porn. But it's also for self-improvement.

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Making a show of it, was kinda the point. He wanted to set an example. Mission accomplished.


"I can't control you, so I guess I'll just bust yo' s**t instead."

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No, not by default. Throwing a brick through McDonald's drive-thru window, because they forgot you wanted your burger "without onions", is losing control. Putting a handful of bullets into a computer that has been abused, is really....not.


Like Riviera stated, a teenager complaining to her friends is... well, to be expected. She wasn't complaining to anyone that would actually impact her father's life - IE manipulating/abusing.

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That he put himself in such a situation where he would need to make good on a threat so childish is what made it stupid.


Like you've never made a threat, to someone.


Most of us feel some sort of remorse after threatening something ridiculous. Then again, some of us are too bloated with pride to acknowledge said ridiculousness.

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Computer access is a huge asset for them, as it allows them to apply for online job applications (more and more of which are only online now), fill out federal and state documents, research resources, etc.


In my day, we had library computers for that s**t.


In that day, you could probably just walk into one convenience store and drop off an application, then have reasonable expectation of having a decent chance of actually hearing back from it.


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So what difference does it make, which one he chooses? It seems that you just don't like that he chose to use a gun. When the gun is an irrelevant component to the issue.


The whole video smacks of bruised pride. He wasn't doing this with any thought to what it would teach the kid; it was a simple "you're wrong and I'm right as long as you're under my roof. Oh and also, I can afford to shoot up a couple thousand dollars of property on a whim."

This makes me cringe on a multitude of different levels: it's illogical, it's disrespectful of standard gift giving terms (IE relinquishing control of an item: this was a 'loan', if that), it only reinforces that he is unapproachable, it's financially irresponsible, and the cherry on top is that it prioritizes escape from a tyrant for the sake of basic safety (IE knowing that you're not going to wake up with a horse's head in your bed). Since she's used to being disrespected, that sets the bar pretty low for her next guy.

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When you have choices and you choose the childish and immature one, guess what? That makes you childish and immature.

Why is it "childish and immature", though?


What does a little boy often do when he does not get his way? He throws a tantrum. He breaks things. He sabotages things, because he's trying to leverage control of the situation. His tone may have been calm, if not smug, but the result is the same.

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The Other Man has already stated he's dyslexic. He's already trying to do something he's naturally disadvantaged to. Personally, I think that merits some patience and credit.
The only problem I see with this is that nutjobs might use this as a conservative battlecry and politicize parenting even further while fogging the line between child abuse and actual parenting.
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Exactly- How you made the response like yours is indicative only of someone who cant read.
No your words seem to read that if a kid says something Facebook then and an adult care about then they are not people you want to be around. Well what if one kid tells a nother she was raped on Facebook? By your statement an adult should not care.

Ahhh, like I suspected. You cant read. Lets try it another way...

I said that if a kid expresses views about the moral character or individual nature of an adult on Facebook, which another kid then reads and tells to a parent, such a parent who takes their opinion of another adult based on what amounts to high school hallway gossip is not an adult that is worth engaging.

I never made it blanket to all claims, I head "Hooked on Phonics" works great for people to learn to read.
I you did maybe not meant to but it did.

"Hooked on Phonics" helps you to avoid reading things that are not there.
Man I tipped that ******** up. Lol but you need to be clear about stuff. What you meant and what is people read can be two diff things.

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