Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed (ID propaganda)

[Shokushu]

aisebon

Phht. Humans were created by an intelligent designer? Bullshit.

Humans eat and breathe through the same hole. Baaad idea.

Our immune system is prone to not having a clue what it should (and misses out cancer) and shouldn't (and goes for completely random things in allergies) attack.

The body, despite its best attempts, needlessly throws away a huge amount of the vital nutrients we consume, either by not digesting them well or by literally throwing them away. Thus, we need to eat more than necessary.

The eye, whilst often quoted as perfect, is subject to thousands of problems, and variations in things like blood pressure can seriously affect its functioning: and it's an open hole for all sorts of bacteria to get into the body.

Almost half of our natural lifespan (~35-40) involves growing: even more excess energy is required, and we are effectively out of action for much of this period.

During the end of each cell cycle, a telomere is cut off the end of every chromosome. This contributes significantly to ageing, and is an example of how crudely DNA is replicated. The number of improper replications is also very significant.

The body is not suitable for where and when we are. It needs many minerals that are in plants that are now quite rare or only in specific places, and punishes those who migrate to a less harsh climate.


All this suggests an unintelligent designer.

And you didn't even mention how weird an idea it would have been to put the nerve for our eyes in front of the cells that detect light- aside from giving us a blind spot where all the nerves join together and pierce the retina to make a brain connection they're physically in the way which essentially decreases the resolution that we would otherwise have.
And with our lack of ability to tell polarized light apart from unpolarized light and the the wavelengths that other animals get to see that we don't it's pretty ridiculous to even really call our eyes "good." When the shape is appropriate for the lens I'd say they're really only adequate.

pockybot

JessieDreamer

Why is it that Michael Moore can make a bullshit propaganda movie that people defend, but Ben Stein can't do the same thing?

Bullshit? You really thought Fahrenheit 9/11 was bullshit?

Am I the only one here who is an anti right wing, anti government and anti fundamentalist religion person who LOVED this documentary?

I thought the documentary actually slams creationism and the far right religious people
while simply asking "why should Darwinism be absolute?"

Also, was interesting that this documentary had the balls to show what REALLY fueled the Nazi racial ideologies and holocaust, and the racial eugenics backbone of the original abortion movement in America.

What was the point of showing us that people put on makeup before they appear on TV? The film pulled people along to the point that they thought they'd seen some horrible secret there.

[Westenblum]

JessieDreamer

Why is it that Michael Moore can make a bullshit propaganda movie that people defend, but Ben Stein can't do the same thing?

Because ID is indefensible, even in the greatest of circumstances? That's my thought on the subject.

[A Confused Iguana]

pockybot

I thought the documentary actually slams creationism and the far right religious people
while simply asking "why should Darwinism be absolute?"

ID is not science.

pockybot

Also, was interesting that this documentary had the balls to show what REALLY fueled the Nazi racial ideologies and holocaust, and the racial eugenics backbone of the original abortion movement in America.

Appeal to negative consequences.

[Westenblum]

A Confused Iguana

pockybot

Also, was interesting that this documentary had the balls to show what REALLY fueled the Nazi racial ideologies and holocaust, and the racial eugenics backbone of the original abortion movement in America.

Appeal to negative consequences.

It's also an appeal to selective quoting. Darwin himself discouraged the sentiments that led to the Holocaust. Darwin's ideas may have been used to further Hitler's ideals, but that's because Hitler perverted evolutionary concepts to his own ends. It's not due to a particular failing of evolution.

[Reverend Smooth]

Correct, Darwin himself rejected Social Darwinism as bullshit.

[Shokushu]

Evolution is a gradual enough process that most of the time a tiny statistical preference for emerging traits will be enough to spread it around before one individual is significantly superior to another individual in the same population. As such any distinction we make is much more likely the result of environmental factors acting on genes that could have resulted in a very different organism (I'm talking in relative terms here- they'd obviously still be the same species,) so selecting individuals based on most traits would not correlate well with particular genes most of the time.

in short, the actual "big" evolution most people think about takes place more between populations than between actual individuals. We could conceivably speed that up but you should at least wait until we're able to procure desirable results in animal populations with whatever methods before trying on humans, if at all. At current it's hard enough to collect good information about even small groups of people, much less the whole population. We're definitely not ready to successfully do it yet no matter what (educated) way you look at it and by the time we would be we're likely to be pretty close to being able to effectively modify our genomes manually anyway so there wouldn't be much reason to, probably.

[VoijaRisa]

Bumping for great justice (and because this thread has more info than the other threads currently posted on same topic).

[Shokushu]

I think seeing our names as the last poster x number of times eventually grinds threads to a halt.
...should I start frequently posting in the threads I want to die?

[Chironex Fleckeri]

You fossils need to learn that people here don't give a s**t about information. They only want to say what they already think even though nobody is listening.

[GunsmithKitten]

Quote:

Am I the only one here who is an anti right wing, anti government and anti fundamentalist religion person who LOVED this documentary?

Also, was interesting that this documentary had the balls to show what REALLY fueled the Nazi racial ideologies and holocaust, and the racial eugenics backbone of the original abortion movement in America.

For someone who claims to be an anti-fundie, you sure have a funny way of showing it.

I remember well when you posted ap icture of a chimpanzee and said "Remember! If you don't believe man came from this, you're a fundamentalist nut!"

[Lord Setar]

Westenblum

A Confused Iguana

pockybot

Also, was interesting that this documentary had the balls to show what REALLY fueled the Nazi racial ideologies and holocaust, and the racial eugenics backbone of the original abortion movement in America.

Appeal to negative consequences.

It's also an appeal to selective quoting. Darwin himself discouraged the sentiments that led to the Holocaust. Darwin's ideas may have been used to further Hitler's ideals, but that's because Hitler perverted evolutionary concepts to his own ends. It's not due to a particular failing of evolution.

Don't forget that the Nazi Party actually rejected Darwinism. Hitler based his ideology off of a divine right theory.

[Siphilis]

VoijaRisa

Bumping for great justice (and because this thread has more info than the other threads currently posted on same topic).

You actually expect the Noora clones to come in here and debate this?

[Westenblum]

Siphilis

VoijaRisa

Bumping for great justice (and because this thread has more info than the other threads currently posted on same topic).

You actually expect the Noora clones to come in here and debate this?

We don't expect anything, but we actually want a discussion at some point. xd Creationists have a nasty habit of not being able to present evidence.

[vipr230]

Westenblum

Siphilis

VoijaRisa

Bumping for great justice (and because this thread has more info than the other threads currently posted on same topic).

You actually expect the Noora clones to come in here and debate this?

We don't expect anything, but we actually want a discussion at some point. xd Creationists have a nasty habit of not being able to present evidence.

Hard to present any when it simply doesn't exist. What I don't get is how after failing to present any they seem to still think some exists... "well, I have no evidence, but I'm right anyway!"

[Wishing4Wings]

Maybe it's just me, but I feel as though teaching ID in classrooms is going backwards. Maybe in a philosophy class, fine, is fits there. But how can you teach something to children if it has no scientific background? (This applies to, of course, public schools and science classes, not actual religion)

I don't know. I feel as though teaching evolution in classrooms took years. What happened to freedom of religion, keeping church and state separate?