Evidence & Testing in the Scientific Field (Updated 1/8)

[Jaaten Syric]

Kouji Wa Shinigami

Aye, moving away. Not expanding. (I lol'd) My left eye moves away from my right eye, does that mean my face expanded, too?

If its on a light year- scale, yes. That or your eye's been the victim of an unfortunate interstellar gouging accident.

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No. It just means it's moved from it's original place, as with our universe.

So everything is moving outward in a predictable, measurable fashion, has been repeatedly observed, and the effects proven mathematically before any observations, but its not really expanding, just moving in a fashion that looks absolutely identical to expansion, but not really. Great hypotheses there, Hoss.

[Lord Setar]

Jaaten Syric

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No. It just means it's moved from it's original place, as with our universe.

So everything is moving outward in a predictable, measurable fashion, has been repeatedly observed, and the effects proven mathematically before any observations, but its not really expanding, just moving in a fashion that looks absolutely identical to expansion, but not really. Great hypotheses there, Hoss.

Except that if it's moving in a fashion that looks absolutely identical to expansion, and everything except the Magellanic Clouds and Andromeda are showing red shift (moving away from Earth)...could it not be said that...*GASP* THE UNIVERSE IS EXPANDING!

And we haven't even gotten into the whole dark energy thing...

[Jaaten Syric]

Lord Setar

Except that if it's moving in a fashion that looks absolutely identical to expansion, and everything except the Magellanic Clouds and Andromeda are showing red shift (moving away from Earth)...could it not be said that...*GASP* THE UNIVERSE IS EXPANDING!

LIES SIR! Vile and treacherous lies! Next you'll be telling us that through another one of your occult 'sciences', man can change base iron and carbon into blessed steel, not by the hand of the almighty, but by your 'metallurgical' sorcery! Your heresy must not be allowed to continue! INQUISITORS! Seize that man! scream

[Lord Setar]

Jaaten Syric

Lord Setar

Except that if it's moving in a fashion that looks absolutely identical to expansion, and everything except the Magellanic Clouds and Andromeda are showing red shift (moving away from Earth)...could it not be said that...*GASP* THE UNIVERSE IS EXPANDING!

LIES SIR! Vile and treacherous lies! Next you'll be telling us that through another one of your occult 'sciences', man can change base iron and carbon into blessed steel, not by the hand of the almighty, but by your 'metallurgical' sorcery! Your heresy must not be allowed to continue! INQUISITORS! Seize that man! scream

[Same Old Song And Dance]

Jaaten Syric

Lord Setar

Except that if it's moving in a fashion that looks absolutely identical to expansion, and everything except the Magellanic Clouds and Andromeda are showing red shift (moving away from Earth)...could it not be said that...*GASP* THE UNIVERSE IS EXPANDING!

LIES SIR! Vile and treacherous lies! Next you'll be telling us that through another one of your occult 'sciences', man can change base iron and carbon into blessed steel, not by the hand of the almighty, but by your 'metallurgical' sorcery! Your heresy must not be allowed to continue! INQUISITORS! Seize that man! scream

Let me guess: Creationist

[Jaaten Syric]

I was going for more of a 'Holy Inquisitor' theme, but replace the cardinals with dimwitted goons, and the two do start to look alike...

[chaoticfreak]

Words fail me at the moments. In the good way. Kudos.

[VoijaRisa]

Bumping for relevance to several other threads.

[x Shana 19 x]

Wow amazing opening .... this thread should be quoted in all those debates in ED where creationists say "omg we got evidence!!"

Good job.

[UltraAwesomeness]

ninja

[Neurv Damage]

Thank you for posting this, it's good to see someone put the scientific process into it's simplest terms. Even a creationist (Oh no I didn't.) could understand your post. Now, let's hope someone reads through the entire thing.

[FORTRAN77]

tl;dr

Kidding! I swear! Some people on Gaia seriously need to read this thread; however, I think they're the ones who won't sit there long enough to read the whole thing. If only stupid were painful. Can I email this to some of the wingnuts? If only it were that easy.

...I hate you, dude. Now I want to take statistics, because of your explanation of the second law of Thermodynamics. So... does the universe count as a closed system? xd

:coughfirstyearastronomystudentcough:

[Ekeda]

Grace of light and shadow

well ignore me all you want but here is my over all point... reality is based on perceptions that could be different in everyone. saying yours has to be right or that it is impossible for this to be is short sited because no one can consider every factor in any situation. a crazy person could see a normal world that doesn't actually exist so we can safely say that we could all be doing the same. i won't debate a logical idea but i will say that it could be wrong. i am leaving now and you can pm if you want but there are too many people here spewing the same thing to deal with. thank you for your time and have a nice evening

The only justification for your beliefs is based on nothing more than logical technicalities, who's only purpose is to s**t in the face of the scientific method and force the onlookers to smile for the sake political correctness.
You are poison.

[Kimihiro_Watanuki]

Grace of light and shadow

reality is based on perceptions that could be different in everyone.

Reality is not based on perceptions nor is it different for everyone. Reality remains reality no matter how one perceives it. A tree is still a tree even if no one is around to notice that there is a tree. Things don't just pop into existance as soon as a person perceives them. They were already there.

Grace of light and shadow

saying yours has to be right or that it is impossible for this to be is short sited because no one can consider every factor in any situation.

An idea, or as your put it, a particular perception is correct when the evidence, that is not reliant on being perceived, backs it. When the evidence does not, it can be confidently concluded that the evidence has not been found, or the idea is simply false.

Grace of light and shadow

a crazy person could see a normal world that doesn't actually exist so we can safely say that we could all be doing the same.

Are you seriously considering that what delusional people see has some basis in reality? I suffer from psychosis. I know what it's like to see, hear, taste, smell, and feel things that aren't really there. The difference between you and me is, I can admit it's not real.