Do you think lolicon and shotacon should be illegal?

Should lolicon and shotacon be illegal?

Yes, it should be punishable identical to actual child pornography.	5.6%	[ 7 ]
Yes, it should be punished, but not as severe as actual child pornography.	8.0%	[ 10 ]
Yes, it should be a misdemeanor, and no sex offender registration.	7.2%	[ 9 ]
No, it is a stupid thing to waste government resources on when real children are being victims.	48.8%	[ 61 ]
No, there is nothing morally objectionable about lolicon or shotacon.	30.4%	[ 38 ]
Total Votes:			[ 125 ]

[Archaix_the_Ghast v2]

It's one of those laws I'm really critical of here in Canada, we were one of the first countries to illegalize sexually explicit images and effigies of minors.

Here's the thing: Canadians think that ***** and ephebophiles are subhumans that need the death penalty. Every time I tell somebody I want to become a cybercrime investigator for the police, everyone's like "throw those child porn freaks in jail for life, and stay away from my movie pirate websites". But ***** and ephebophilia are psychological disorders, there is no "***** gene" that we can isolate and exterminate those infected from society, it's a disorder that all people can be affected by. There are many risk factors that make somebody more likely to have the disorders but in the end anybody could end up with it.

So the best way to deal with ***** in society is not to lock them up and make them feel shamed and repressed, the best way is to find a way for them to work out their sexual frustrations in a safe manner where nobody is hurt. i.e. loli/shota porn. There is absolutely nobody harmed in this fashion and it shouldn't even be an issue.

[MachineMuse]

Archaix_the_Ghast v2

It's one of those laws I'm really critical of here in Canada, we were one of the first countries to illegalize sexually explicit images and effigies of minors.

Here's the thing: Canadians think that ***** and ephebophiles are subhumans that need the death penalty. Every time I tell somebody I want to become a cybercrime investigator for the police, everyone's like "throw those child porn freaks in jail for life, and stay away from my movie pirate websites". But ***** and ephebophilia are psychological disorders, there is no "***** gene" that we can isolate and exterminate those infected from society, it's a disorder that all people can be affected by. There are many risk factors that make somebody more likely to have the disorders but in the end anybody could end up with it.

So the best way to deal with ***** in society is not to lock them up and make them feel shamed and repressed, the best way is to find a way for them to work out their sexual frustrations in a safe manner where nobody is hurt. i.e. loli/shota porn. There is absolutely nobody harmed in this fashion and it shouldn't even be an issue.

I wonder where the balance is between
-providing an outlet for people who are attracted to children so they can get off without harming real children, and
-providing an inlet for people to become attracted to children.

I mean, I'm assuming being attracted to children is a bad thing. I hope that's not too much to swallow.

[Goldgato]

MachineMuse

I mean, I'm assuming being attracted to children is a bad thing. I hope that's not too much to swallow.

Why is being attracted to children a bad thing? That seems like a large assumption to make. I'm not saying you're wrong necessarily, but it's something we really can't accept as an assumption when discussing people who are attracted to children and their role in society.

[MachineMuse]

Goldgato

Why is being attracted to children a bad thing? That seems like a large assumption to make. I'm not saying you're wrong necessarily, but it's something we really can't accept as an assumption when discussing people who are attracted to children and their role in society.

Well, it's creepy, for one...

[Goldgato]

MachineMuse

Goldgato

Why is being attracted to children a bad thing? That seems like a large assumption to make. I'm not saying you're wrong necessarily, but it's something we really can't accept as an assumption when discussing people who are attracted to children and their role in society.

Well, it's creepy, for one...

Alright, in your opinion it's creepy. I'm not sure that's enough to call it bad.

[Archaix_the_Ghast v2]

MachineMuse

Archaix_the_Ghast v2

It's one of those laws I'm really critical of here in Canada, we were one of the first countries to illegalize sexually explicit images and effigies of minors.

Here's the thing: Canadians think that ***** and ephebophiles are subhumans that need the death penalty. Every time I tell somebody I want to become a cybercrime investigator for the police, everyone's like "throw those child porn freaks in jail for life, and stay away from my movie pirate websites". But ***** and ephebophilia are psychological disorders, there is no "***** gene" that we can isolate and exterminate those infected from society, it's a disorder that all people can be affected by. There are many risk factors that make somebody more likely to have the disorders but in the end anybody could end up with it.

So the best way to deal with ***** in society is not to lock them up and make them feel shamed and repressed, the best way is to find a way for them to work out their sexual frustrations in a safe manner where nobody is hurt. i.e. loli/shota porn. There is absolutely nobody harmed in this fashion and it shouldn't even be an issue.

I wonder where the balance is between
-providing an outlet for people who are attracted to children so they can get off without harming real children, and
-providing an inlet for people to become attracted to children.

I mean, I'm assuming being attracted to children is a bad thing. I hope that's not too much to swallow.

There are always going to be people who are attracted to children. There are always going to be people attracted to the same sex, or animals, or sadism/masochism, or feet, or anything you can think of. If you don't have an outlet for these people, then they will take illegal, often violent and unconsensual action to achieve their needs and desires.

Even if it does encourage an attraction to children, who gives a s**t? Do you want a "thought police" that makes sure everyone thinks a certain way and doesn't deviate from societal values? As long as they aren't sexually abusing children, does it really matter if somebody is attracted to them?

[MachineMuse]

Archaix_the_Ghast v2

There are always going to be people who are attracted to children. There are always going to be people attracted to the same sex, or animals, or sadism/masochism, or feet, or anything you can think of. If you don't have an outlet for these people, then they will take illegal, often violent and unconsensual action to achieve their needs and desires.

But is loli/shota hentai an adequate outlet for them?

Archaix_the_Ghast v2

Even if it does encourage an attraction to children, who gives a s**t? Do you want a "thought police" that makes sure everyone thinks a certain way and doesn't deviate from societal values? As long as they aren't sexually abusing children, does it really matter if somebody is attracted to them?

No. But it does matter if they are sexually abusing children.

Here:

A1 { people who are attracted to children without having loli/shota available }
A2 { people who are attracted to children with loli/shota available }
B1 { people who molest children without having loli/shota available }
B2 { people who molest children despite having loli/shota available }

So I think we are agree that A2 increases and that |B2|/|A2| (proportion of lolishota fans who molest children) is smaller than |B1|/|A1| (proportion of child molesters when unable to access the media). But that's natural because A2 is larger. The question is whether B2 is larger than B1. There's still 1 degree of freedom that isn't accounted for. And I think it's pointless to conjecture about it; we need data.

[Seraph of Thursday]

Archaix_the_Ghast v2

But ***** and ephebophilia are psychological disorders, there is no "***** gene" that we can isolate and exterminate those infected from society, it's a disorder that all people can be affected by. There are many risk factors that make somebody more likely to have the disorders but in the end anybody could end up with it.

Source, please.

[Archaix_the_Ghast v2]

Oblivion Blades

Archaix_the_Ghast v2

But ***** and ephebophilia are psychological disorders, there is no "***** gene" that we can isolate and exterminate those infected from society, it's a disorder that all people can be affected by. There are many risk factors that make somebody more likely to have the disorders but in the end anybody could end up with it.

Source, please.

I sold my Specific Topics in Criminal Justice textbook after the course was finished, that's where I read it from. So I won't go out of way and find a source for something to add weight to an argument I made on a Gaia Online message board, it's just what I stand for. I've spent a lot of time talking to people into lolicon and became sympathetic towards them.

[nitznitz]

God damnit America, Lolicon and Shotacon is NOT REAL KIDS! Those genres are actually helping some ***** to keep their urges at bay!

Seriously, I know a person who finds kids atrractivee, and those porn genres make sure he's sexually satisfied enough to not go on a rape rampage.

Actual child porn of kids aged 15 and below should of course be banned beyond any limit, people who hold a site that publishes real(as in featuring IRL kids) porn should get the worst viruses bombed straight into their computers and if someone actually rapes a kid and/or films a kid getting raped, they should have all their genitals cut off, with no sedatives in my opinion.

And if you go all "you don't care about kids", you don't know jack s**t about me, because I'm the kind of person who's best part of the day was letting that toddler play with my sunglasses and watching him laugh and cheer, so get outta my face.

[Seraph of Thursday]

Archaix_the_Ghast v2

Oblivion Blades

Archaix_the_Ghast v2

But ***** and ephebophilia are psychological disorders, there is no "***** gene" that we can isolate and exterminate those infected from society, it's a disorder that all people can be affected by. There are many risk factors that make somebody more likely to have the disorders but in the end anybody could end up with it.

Source, please.

I sold my Specific Topics in Criminal Justice textbook after the course was finished, that's where I read it from. So I won't go out of way and find a source for something to add weight to an argument I made on a Gaia Online message board, it's just what I stand for. I've spent a lot of time talking to people into lolicon and became sympathetic towards them.

No need to get defensive, it sounded interesting.

[Ratttking]

nitznitz

God damnit America, Lolicon and Shotacon is NOT REAL KIDS! Those genres are actually helping some ***** to keep their urges at bay!

Seriously, I know a person who finds kids atrractivee, and those porn genres make sure he's sexually satisfied enough to not go on a rape rampage.

Actual child porn of kids aged 15 and below should of course be banned beyond any limit, people who hold a site that publishes real(as in featuring IRL kids) porn should get the worst viruses bombed straight into their computers and if someone actually rapes a kid and/or films a kid getting raped, they should have all their genitals cut off, with no sedatives in my opinion.

And if you go all "you don't care about kids", you don't know jack s**t about me, because I'm the kind of person who's best part of the day was letting that toddler play with my sunglasses and watching him laugh and cheer, so get outta my face.

Why aged 15? Seems an arbitrary number, and in the US child porn is anything pornographic featuring people under 18. Are Israeli laws different?

[nitznitz]

Ratttking

nitznitz

God damnit America, Lolicon and Shotacon is NOT REAL KIDS! Those genres are actually helping some ***** to keep their urges at bay!

Seriously, I know a person who finds kids atrractivee, and those porn genres make sure he's sexually satisfied enough to not go on a rape rampage.

Actual child porn of kids aged 15 and below should of course be banned beyond any limit, people who hold a site that publishes real(as in featuring IRL kids) porn should get the worst viruses bombed straight into their computers and if someone actually rapes a kid and/or films a kid getting raped, they should have all their genitals cut off, with no sedatives in my opinion.

And if you go all "you don't care about kids", you don't know jack s**t about me, because I'm the kind of person who's best part of the day was letting that toddler play with my sunglasses and watching him laugh and cheer, so get outta my face.

Why aged 15? Seems an arbitrary number, and in the US child porn is anything pornographic featuring people under 18. Are Israeli laws different?

No, but a child between 15-18 should be considered a borderline case, which means lighter punishment.

[Ratttking]

nitznitz

Ratttking

nitznitz

God damnit America, Lolicon and Shotacon is NOT REAL KIDS! Those genres are actually helping some ***** to keep their urges at bay!

Seriously, I know a person who finds kids atrractivee, and those porn genres make sure he's sexually satisfied enough to not go on a rape rampage.

Actual child porn of kids aged 15 and below should of course be banned beyond any limit, people who hold a site that publishes real(as in featuring IRL kids) porn should get the worst viruses bombed straight into their computers and if someone actually rapes a kid and/or films a kid getting raped, they should have all their genitals cut off, with no sedatives in my opinion.

And if you go all "you don't care about kids", you don't know jack s**t about me, because I'm the kind of person who's best part of the day was letting that toddler play with my sunglasses and watching him laugh and cheer, so get outta my face.

Why aged 15? Seems an arbitrary number, and in the US child porn is anything pornographic featuring people under 18. Are Israeli laws different?

No, but a child between 15-18 should be considered a borderline case, which means lighter punishment.

I repeat, why 15?

[nitznitz]

Ratttking

nitznitz

Ratttking

nitznitz

God damnit America, Lolicon and Shotacon is NOT REAL KIDS! Those genres are actually helping some ***** to keep their urges at bay!

Seriously, I know a person who finds kids atrractivee, and those porn genres make sure he's sexually satisfied enough to not go on a rape rampage.

Actual child porn of kids aged 15 and below should of course be banned beyond any limit, people who hold a site that publishes real(as in featuring IRL kids) porn should get the worst viruses bombed straight into their computers and if someone actually rapes a kid and/or films a kid getting raped, they should have all their genitals cut off, with no sedatives in my opinion.

And if you go all "you don't care about kids", you don't know jack s**t about me, because I'm the kind of person who's best part of the day was letting that toddler play with my sunglasses and watching him laugh and cheer, so get outta my face.

Why aged 15? Seems an arbitrary number, and in the US child porn is anything pornographic featuring people under 18. Are Israeli laws different?

No, but a child between 15-18 should be considered a borderline case, which means lighter punishment.

I repeat, why 15?

Because I don't trust kids under 15 to understand the concept of sex.