Do you think lolicon and shotacon should be illegal?

Should lolicon and shotacon be illegal?

Yes, it should be punishable identical to actual child pornography.	5.6%	[ 7 ]
Yes, it should be punished, but not as severe as actual child pornography.	8.0%	[ 10 ]
Yes, it should be a misdemeanor, and no sex offender registration.	7.2%	[ 9 ]
No, it is a stupid thing to waste government resources on when real children are being victims.	48.8%	[ 61 ]
No, there is nothing morally objectionable about lolicon or shotacon.	30.4%	[ 38 ]
Total Votes:			[ 125 ]

[AsuraSyn]

...We're still fighting a war, right?
I mean, I know after about a week of it, our national ADD gets us onto something else, usually with the Kardashians or some other group of spoiled whores, but really? This again?!
*sigh*
No kiddies were harmed in making it, or even involved. They make age regressed pornography where adults' images are modified on computers to make them look like they did when they were children and that's legal so why is anyone even considering making millions of people into criminals by passing a law against how ink is put on paper?
This ******** level of idiocy does not border on the offensive, it bends the offensive over and goes balls deep without even a courtesy lick.

[Pseudo-Onkelos]

AsuraSyn

I like your posts.

[GunsmithKitten]

Euphoric XTC

GunsmithKitten

Euphoric XTC

Although it's entirely fictional and some would even call it artistic freedom, it promotes a certain type of thinking and incites emotions that tends to trigger unlawful and dangerous actions towards society. As a whole, the negatives of this kind of entertainment, this controversial hobby, cannot be justified because of the risks it carries.

So you're also for criminalizing anything that incites emotions to violence as well? Best get cracking, because there's a LOT of those that can fall under "promotes dangerous thinking".

Exactly, but the degree of promotion varies differently for every single thing.

Then I'll throw the same statement I threw at Riv;

Why should drawing a picture of a child being raped warrant prison time, but drawing a picture of a child getting stabbed to death shouldn't?

[Pseudo-Onkelos]

GunsmithKitten

Euphoric XTC

GunsmithKitten

Euphoric XTC

Although it's entirely fictional and some would even call it artistic freedom, it promotes a certain type of thinking and incites emotions that tends to trigger unlawful and dangerous actions towards society. As a whole, the negatives of this kind of entertainment, this controversial hobby, cannot be justified because of the risks it carries.

So you're also for criminalizing anything that incites emotions to violence as well? Best get cracking, because there's a LOT of those that can fall under "promotes dangerous thinking".

Exactly, but the degree of promotion varies differently for every single thing.

Then I'll throw the same statement I threw at Riv;

Why should drawing a picture of a child being raped warrant prison time, but drawing a picture of a child getting stabbed to death shouldn't?

Because the U.S. loves violence and detests anything sexual, apparently.

[Euphoric XTC]

GunsmithKitten

Euphoric XTC

GunsmithKitten

Euphoric XTC

Although it's entirely fictional and some would even call it artistic freedom, it promotes a certain type of thinking and incites emotions that tends to trigger unlawful and dangerous actions towards society. As a whole, the negatives of this kind of entertainment, this controversial hobby, cannot be justified because of the risks it carries.

So you're also for criminalizing anything that incites emotions to violence as well? Best get cracking, because there's a LOT of those that can fall under "promotes dangerous thinking".

Exactly, but the degree of promotion varies differently for every single thing.

Then I'll throw the same statement I threw at Riv;

Why should drawing a picture of a child being raped warrant prison time, but drawing a picture of a child getting stabbed to death shouldn't?

Blame science, murder is taken kindlier than rape (in drawings) and affects people less

[GunsmithKitten]

Euphoric XTC

GunsmithKitten

Euphoric XTC

GunsmithKitten

Euphoric XTC

Although it's entirely fictional and some would even call it artistic freedom, it promotes a certain type of thinking and incites emotions that tends to trigger unlawful and dangerous actions towards society. As a whole, the negatives of this kind of entertainment, this controversial hobby, cannot be justified because of the risks it carries.

So you're also for criminalizing anything that incites emotions to violence as well? Best get cracking, because there's a LOT of those that can fall under "promotes dangerous thinking".

Exactly, but the degree of promotion varies differently for every single thing.

Then I'll throw the same statement I threw at Riv;

Why should drawing a picture of a child being raped warrant prison time, but drawing a picture of a child getting stabbed to death shouldn't?

Blame science, murder is taken kindlier than rape (in drawings) and affects people less

And your basis is....what? I gotta see this study, namely the one that specifically focuses on the drawn medium.....

[Euphoric XTC]

GunsmithKitten

Euphoric XTC

GunsmithKitten

Euphoric XTC

GunsmithKitten

Euphoric XTC

Although it's entirely fictional and some would even call it artistic freedom, it promotes a certain type of thinking and incites emotions that tends to trigger unlawful and dangerous actions towards society. As a whole, the negatives of this kind of entertainment, this controversial hobby, cannot be justified because of the risks it carries.

So you're also for criminalizing anything that incites emotions to violence as well? Best get cracking, because there's a LOT of those that can fall under "promotes dangerous thinking".

Exactly, but the degree of promotion varies differently for every single thing.

Then I'll throw the same statement I threw at Riv;

Why should drawing a picture of a child being raped warrant prison time, but drawing a picture of a child getting stabbed to death shouldn't?

Blame science, murder is taken kindlier than rape (in drawings) and affects people less

And your basis is....what? I gotta see this study, namely the one that specifically focuses on the drawn medium.....

I'm speaking from purely from anecdotes and what's legal and what's not.

[GunsmithKitten]

Euphoric XTC

GunsmithKitten

Euphoric XTC

GunsmithKitten

Euphoric XTC

Exactly, but the degree of promotion varies differently for every single thing.

Then I'll throw the same statement I threw at Riv;

Why should drawing a picture of a child being raped warrant prison time, but drawing a picture of a child getting stabbed to death shouldn't?

Blame science, murder is taken kindlier than rape (in drawings) and affects people less

And your basis is....what? I gotta see this study, namely the one that specifically focuses on the drawn medium.....

I'm speaking from purely from anecdotes and what's legal and what's not.

Then why you citin science?

Now me, I don't see any moral difference in seeing a drawn depiction of a child being murdered and a child being raped and find it peculiar that one warrants legal intervention while the other doesn't, but apparently I'm stupid like that.

[Goldgato]

Euphoric XTC

GunsmithKitten

Euphoric XTC

Although it's entirely fictional and some would even call it artistic freedom, it promotes a certain type of thinking and incites emotions that tends to trigger unlawful and dangerous actions towards society. As a whole, the negatives of this kind of entertainment, this controversial hobby, cannot be justified because of the risks it carries.

So you're also for criminalizing anything that incites emotions to violence as well? Best get cracking, because there's a LOT of those that can fall under "promotes dangerous thinking".

Exactly, but the degree of promotion varies differently for every single thing.

You'd have a stronger point if you could show that the "degree of promotion" is significantly higher for lolicon than other things that can promote dangerous activities. I'm not convinced that clearly fictitious drawings of children engaged in sexual activities promotes crimes against children more than any other media production promotes crimes and dangerous behavior.

[MachineMuse]

I wonder where the balance is between
-providing an outlet for people who are attracted to children so they can get off without harming real children, and
-providing an inlet for people to become attracted to children.

I mean, I'm assuming being attracted to children is a bad thing. I hope that's not too much to swallow.

[The Herald of Death]

e-Claire rc1

I wonder where the balance is between
-providing an outlet for people who are attracted to children so they can get off without harming real children, and
-providing an inlet for people to become attracted to children.

I mean, I'm assuming being attracted to children is a bad thing. I hope that's not too much to swallow.

Do we really need to provide them an outlet? I think sane people don't exactly need some kind of picture outlet to avoid going insane and raping someone.

[MachineMuse]

The Herald of Death

e-Claire rc1

I wonder where the balance is between
-providing an outlet for people who are attracted to children so they can get off without harming real children, and
-providing an inlet for people to become attracted to children.

I mean, I'm assuming being attracted to children is a bad thing. I hope that's not too much to swallow.

Do we really need to provide them an outlet? I think sane people don't exactly need some kind of picture outlet to avoid going insane and raping someone.

The ones who wouldn't do it either way are a non-issue IMO. It's the ones who might be influenced one way or another that I'm worried about.

I don't want to police people's bedrooms or hard drives or whatever but I do think it's important to do everything possible to minimize the chances that someone, somewhere is going to rape a child. I think that's the driving motivation behind the question, isn't it?

[The Herald of Death]

e-Claire rc1

The Herald of Death

e-Claire rc1

I wonder where the balance is between
-providing an outlet for people who are attracted to children so they can get off without harming real children, and
-providing an inlet for people to become attracted to children.

I mean, I'm assuming being attracted to children is a bad thing. I hope that's not too much to swallow.

Do we really need to provide them an outlet? I think sane people don't exactly need some kind of picture outlet to avoid going insane and raping someone.

The ones who wouldn't do it either way are a non-issue IMO. It's the ones who might be influenced one way or another that I'm worried about.

I don't want to police people's bedrooms or hard drives or whatever but I do think it's important to do everything possible to minimize the chances that someone, somewhere is going to rape a child. I think that's the driving motivation behind the question, isn't it?

Fair point, what matters is if it keeps kids safe with no serious cost, though I'm questioning whether it'd actually be effective.

[MachineMuse]

The Herald of Death

e-Claire rc1

The Herald of Death

e-Claire rc1

I wonder where the balance is between
-providing an outlet for people who are attracted to children so they can get off without harming real children, and
-providing an inlet for people to become attracted to children.

I mean, I'm assuming being attracted to children is a bad thing. I hope that's not too much to swallow.

Do we really need to provide them an outlet? I think sane people don't exactly need some kind of picture outlet to avoid going insane and raping someone.

The ones who wouldn't do it either way are a non-issue IMO. It's the ones who might be influenced one way or another that I'm worried about.

I don't want to police people's bedrooms or hard drives or whatever but I do think it's important to do everything possible to minimize the chances that someone, somewhere is going to rape a child. I think that's the driving motivation behind the question, isn't it?

Fair point, what matters is if it keeps kids safe with no serious cost, though I'm questioning whether it'd actually be effective.

Exactly. That's my question as well. Unfortunately, I don't think it's something anyone in the ED can answer with any relevant level of certainty. [/topic]

[deadroosters]

All porn should be legal, also pot and dope.