Do not use one word. We are not the same.

[Cyclone Helena]

Res Ipsa Loquitor

Haku Tobi II

We do not all act, think, or say the same things.

But you are all complacent in the same atrocities. You bear responsibility for what your fellows do.

Well, jeeze, that's boldly anti-individualist. Are you willing to take responsibility for other people's actions just because you are semantically related? Do all environmentalists share the blame when some crazy-a** ELF chapter burns down a building or kills a developer?

[Mobilize For War]

Cyclone Helena

Res Ipsa Loquitor

Haku Tobi II

We do not all act, think, or say the same things.

But you are all complacent in the same atrocities. You bear responsibility for what your fellows do.

Well, jeeze, that's boldly anti-individualist. Are you willing to take responsibility for other people's actions just because you are semantically related? Do all environmentalists share the blame when some crazy-a** ELF chapter burns down a building or kills a developer?

I am not a part of an organization that has, does and will continue to murder, abuse and discriminate. This is not something that they are born with; they have to actively choose to be a member of this group.

[Cyclone Helena]

PCp Troll

Death and Misery

PCp Troll

Hypocrisy for The Win?

The point is there. The delivery is bad.

The Issue is He Is Comparing a Religion to a Not Religion. Atheism is To Christianity as Theism is To Buddhism. Plus When You Figure Out that Over 1/3 Of the Planet Believes In Christ in Some Form It is Only Logically That When Religious Conflicts Crop Up The Term Christian Pops Up, Especially Considering The Violent History and the Measures That Have Been Used in the Not So Distant Past to Enforce Christian Dogma. And Since The USA is the Birth Country of Christian Fundamentalism and Even Today We See Religious Persecution of Minorities Its Not Shocking When The Term Christian Is Used. People are Lazy And It Gets Long Winded to Go "The Crazy Christian Fundamentalists Who Only Believe This."

Besides, I Think Teens Are The only People Who Forget That Generalizations are Just That.

Um, America the birth of Christian fundamentalism? You do know that at the conception of this country, we actually bothered to write down a clause for religious freedom? Whether or not we lived up to it by modern standards is not the point- this was a time when most European nations' ideas of religious tolerance was allowing Jews to live in ghettos and not murdering them or kicking them out too often.

America never had a ruler who claimed to be God's second (like France, Spain, England... Pretty much every nation that ever espoused Divine Right as a reason for a politician to be in power). America never tortured and killed its own recognized citizens for religious reasons. America never had young boys castrated for what were arguably religious reasons, or at least reasons in support of the church. We have never taxed in blatant and direct support of a church, and we have never legally required citizens to pay direct tithes to churches in their vicinity.

We haven't done great by modern ACLU standards (and I'm not ragging on them, I'm a member). But we've done excellently as compared to history.

[pulchritudinous soup]

OneWithDunamis

Christianity and how it's practiced is relatively harmless these days, but people don't like to let go of the past if they can use it to flame you.

Sadly, history is relevant.

[Cyclone Helena]

Res Ipsa Loquitor

Cyclone Helena

Res Ipsa Loquitor

Haku Tobi II

We do not all act, think, or say the same things.

But you are all complacent in the same atrocities. You bear responsibility for what your fellows do.

Well, jeeze, that's boldly anti-individualist. Are you willing to take responsibility for other people's actions just because you are semantically related? Do all environmentalists share the blame when some crazy-a** ELF chapter burns down a building or kills a developer?

I am not a part of an organization that has, does and will continue to murder, abuse and discriminate. This is not something that they are born with; they have to actively choose to be a member of this group.

But it's an incredibly wide group, and mostly an issue of self-identification: they don't pay dues to support a central organization or anything, and the beliefs of those involved vary widely. So why should people who consider torture unacceptable and protest it in modern America be blamed for any Inquisition? Why should Quakers be blamed for religious wars? Why should the European Episcopalian church be blamed for anti-homosexuality activism? Because it's all supported by Christian doctrine? Apparently some people don't think so. Because they all choose to fly the same flag?

They don't, really. The point- if badly presented- of this thread is to underline that there are radically different groups under the banner of Christianity. And obviously, since we're here in this thread, not all Christians are content with being identified as the same conglomeration.

I also find it incredibly hard to believe that you don't identify with any group that could garner blame by such collectivist standards.

[pulchritudinous soup]

Cyclone Helena

Um, America the birth of Christian fundamentalism? You do know that at the conception of this country, we actually bothered to write down a clause for religious freedom? Whether or not we lived up to it by modern standards is not the point- this was a time when most European nations' ideas of religious tolerance was allowing Jews to live in ghettos and not murdering them or kicking them out too often.

America never had a ruler who claimed to be God's second (like France, Spain, England... Pretty much every nation that ever espoused Divine Right as a reason for a politician to be in power). America never tortured and killed its own recognized citizens for religious reasons. America never had young boys castrated for what were arguably religious reasons, or at least reasons in support of the church.

... Wow, where did you learn American history?
American Religious Timeline
Mountain Meadows Massacre
Sunday Law

Then we have the popular phrase of referring America as "God's Country".
http://www.britannica.com/bps/additionalcontent/18/23507214/Gods-Country-Uncle-Sams-Land-Faith-and-Conflict-in-the-American-West

[Cyclone Helena]

pulchritudinous soup

Cyclone Helena

Um, America the birth of Christian fundamentalism? You do know that at the conception of this country, we actually bothered to write down a clause for religious freedom? Whether or not we lived up to it by modern standards is not the point- this was a time when most European nations' ideas of religious tolerance was allowing Jews to live in ghettos and not murdering them or kicking them out too often.

America never had a ruler who claimed to be God's second (like France, Spain, England... Pretty much every nation that ever espoused Divine Right as a reason for a politician to be in power). America never tortured and killed its own recognized citizens for religious reasons. America never had young boys castrated for what were arguably religious reasons, or at least reasons in support of the church.

... Wow, where did you learn American history?
American Religious Timeline
Mountain Meadows Massacre
Sunday Law

Then we have the popular phrase of referring America as "God's Country".
http://www.britannica.com/bps/additionalcontent/18/23507214/Gods-Country-Uncle-Sams-Land-Faith-and-Conflict-in-the-American-West

Arguably, everything on that timeline prior to 1776 was carried out by British citizens, and the Mountain Meadows massacre was perpetrated by Mormon secessionists intending to break away from the larger United States and form a theocracy.

[demonbarber14]

It annoys me when people just say "wiccan" because it's a specific religion and just because I'm a Pagan doesn't mean I'm a Wiccan (because I'm not).

[Akira Fudoh]

Haku Tobi II

First.
Do not say "Christians" when you are refering to people who believe in christ.
We do not all act, think, or say the same things. The stereotypes are getting old. I'm just waiting for you people to start gassing us and burning us.

Second.
Why is it that it's the only religion picked on? Atheists ONLY target christians.
Atheists ALWAYS talk about christians.
The thing is, most Atheists don't even know what they're talking about, at the same time.

Third.
Any Atheist who will now post, must realize, that I did exactly what alot of them do to Christians. See? I contradicted myself between my first and second part.

because most of the time, its christians who are the most fanatical.
Mormons are easy to poke fun at...but they dont really bother people with their views.

now..are people bothered by their views? yes....but thats their problem.

Christians and Muslims are as far as I can tell the only group who go around spitting and bad mouthing people who are of different religions or beliefs. Sometimes they even kill.....which is documented in their own texts.

[Mobilize For War]

Akira Fudoh

Christians and Muslims are as far as I can tell the only group who go around spitting and bad mouthing people who are of different religions or beliefs.

Uh....

[Heartfout]

Cyclone Helena

PCp Troll

Death and Misery

PCp Troll

Hypocrisy for The Win?

The point is there. The delivery is bad.

The Issue is He Is Comparing a Religion to a Not Religion. Atheism is To Christianity as Theism is To Buddhism. Plus When You Figure Out that Over 1/3 Of the Planet Believes In Christ in Some Form It is Only Logically That When Religious Conflicts Crop Up The Term Christian Pops Up, Especially Considering The Violent History and the Measures That Have Been Used in the Not So Distant Past to Enforce Christian Dogma. And Since The USA is the Birth Country of Christian Fundamentalism and Even Today We See Religious Persecution of Minorities Its Not Shocking When The Term Christian Is Used. People are Lazy And It Gets Long Winded to Go "The Crazy Christian Fundamentalists Who Only Believe This."

Besides, I Think Teens Are The only People Who Forget That Generalizations are Just That.

Um, America the birth of Christian fundamentalism? You do know that at the conception of this country, we actually bothered to write down a clause for religious freedom? Whether or not we lived up to it by modern standards is not the point- this was a time when most European nations' ideas of religious tolerance was allowing Jews to live in ghettos and not murdering them or kicking them out too often.

America never had a ruler who claimed to be God's second (like France, Spain, England... Pretty much every nation that ever espoused Divine Right as a reason for a politician to be in power). America never tortured and killed its own recognized citizens for religious reasons. America never had young boys castrated for what were arguably religious reasons, or at least reasons in support of the church. We have never taxed in blatant and direct support of a church, and we have never legally required citizens to pay direct tithes to churches in their vicinity.

We haven't done great by modern ACLU standards (and I'm not ragging on them, I'm a member). But we've done excellently as compared to history.

I'm guesing you don't know what `fundamentalism` actually means.

[Akira Fudoh]

Res Ipsa Loquitor

Akira Fudoh

Christians and Muslims are as far as I can tell the only group who go around spitting and bad mouthing people who are of different religions or beliefs.

Uh....

wait...just thought more into it...

a LOT of religions kill for their gods....

Christians just make it easy to make fun.

[Twilight Fox Zero]

Would you like some fries with that statement?

[Akira Fudoh]

Twilight Fox Zero

Would you like some fries with that statement?

only if its steak fries.