Do men really have a say in abortion?

[MollyGraves]

I believe it's up to the woman if she wants to consider the man's opinion on it.

[medic61310]

Men have an opinion. Not a decision.

[Reiken no Tenshi]

A man can say whatever he wants about the issue, but the ultimate decision should rest with the one who actually has to go through the process of carrying and birthing the baby.

[stealthmongoose]

Freedom of speech does not stop at genatelia.

Discussion's fine, decision making should be consensual between both guardians.

I'm not advocating any one person make a decision on a spur of the moment for a life two people helped create.

[Sexual Innuendo]

stealthmongoose

Freedom of speech does not stop at genatelia.

Discussion's fine, decision making should be consensual between both guardians.

I'm not advocating any one person make a decision on a spur of the moment for a life two people helped create.

What if the man and the woman disagree about what should be done?

[stealthmongoose]

Sexual Innuendo

stealthmongoose

Freedom of speech does not stop at genatelia.

Discussion's fine, decision making should be consensual between both guardians.

I'm not advocating any one person make a decision on a spur of the moment for a life two people helped create.

What if the man and the woman disagree about what should be done?

Then they should come to a decision as a couple. it's going to happen anyway, whether one disagress or otherwise. As long as they can both reach a consensus, even if it means giving in, they can both take responsibility for the collective decision of their union.

They made the bigger decision together before the abortion.

[Sexual Innuendo]

stealthmongoose

Sexual Innuendo

stealthmongoose

Freedom of speech does not stop at genatelia.

Discussion's fine, decision making should be consensual between both guardians.

I'm not advocating any one person make a decision on a spur of the moment for a life two people helped create.

What if the man and the woman disagree about what should be done?

Then they should come to a decision as a couple. it's going to happen anyway, whether one disagress or otherwise. As long as they can both reach a consensus, even if it means giving in, they can both take responsibility for the collective decision of their union.

They made the bigger decision together before the abortion.

That... doesn't really make any sense. Eventually, one person has to cave. That's not "making the decision together."

[stealthmongoose]

Sexual Innuendo

stealthmongoose

Sexual Innuendo

stealthmongoose

Freedom of speech does not stop at genatelia.

Discussion's fine, decision making should be consensual between both guardians.

I'm not advocating any one person make a decision on a spur of the moment for a life two people helped create.

What if the man and the woman disagree about what should be done?

Then they should come to a decision as a couple. it's going to happen anyway, whether one disagress or otherwise. As long as they can both reach a consensus, even if it means giving in, they can both take responsibility for the collective decision of their union.

They made the bigger decision together before the abortion.

That... doesn't really make any sense. Eventually, one person has to cave. That's not "making the decision together."

Can you think of a situation in which one person wouldn't have to appeal to or consider his or her partner's opinion?

Having a child i'm guessing isn't the same as renting a movie, where you can throw the weight of the decision on someone who ISN'T involved in the relationship (like a professional baby reviewer or something).

I'm only proposing that both guardians be allowed to equally have say in a decision that will influence both of their lives.

[Sexual Innuendo]

stealthmongoose

Sexual Innuendo

stealthmongoose

Sexual Innuendo

stealthmongoose

Freedom of speech does not stop at genatelia.

Discussion's fine, decision making should be consensual between both guardians.

I'm not advocating any one person make a decision on a spur of the moment for a life two people helped create.

What if the man and the woman disagree about what should be done?

Then they should come to a decision as a couple. it's going to happen anyway, whether one disagress or otherwise. As long as they can both reach a consensus, even if it means giving in, they can both take responsibility for the collective decision of their union.

They made the bigger decision together before the abortion.

That... doesn't really make any sense. Eventually, one person has to cave. That's not "making the decision together."

Can you think of a situation in which one person wouldn't have to appeal to or consider his or her partner's opinion?

Having a child i'm guessing isn't the same as renting a movie, where you can throw the weight of the decision on someone who ISN'T involved in the relationship (like a professional baby reviewer or something).

I'm only proposing that both guardians be allowed to equally have say in a decision that will influence both of their lives.

And so what if the woman is adamant about getting an abortion, and the man is adamant about having the kid? Neither of them will reach a consensus. What should be done?

[stealthmongoose]

Sexual Innuendo

stealthmongoose

Sexual Innuendo

stealthmongoose

Sexual Innuendo

stealthmongoose

Freedom of speech does not stop at genatelia.

Discussion's fine, decision making should be consensual between both guardians.

I'm not advocating any one person make a decision on a spur of the moment for a life two people helped create.

What if the man and the woman disagree about what should be done?

Then they should come to a decision as a couple. it's going to happen anyway, whether one disagress or otherwise. As long as they can both reach a consensus, even if it means giving in, they can both take responsibility for the collective decision of their union.

They made the bigger decision together before the abortion.

That... doesn't really make any sense. Eventually, one person has to cave. That's not "making the decision together."

Can you think of a situation in which one person wouldn't have to appeal to or consider his or her partner's opinion?

Having a child i'm guessing isn't the same as renting a movie, where you can throw the weight of the decision on someone who ISN'T involved in the relationship (like a professional baby reviewer or something).

I'm only proposing that both guardians be allowed to equally have say in a decision that will influence both of their lives.

And so what if the woman is adamant about getting an abortion, and the man is adamant about having the kid? Neither of them will reach a consensus. What should be done?

Well, assuming she's not having labor on the bed and is following regular law for abortion, they should have plenty of time to agree on something or break up.

Normally it would be one of them decides on something or they break up. That turns the infant into a claim instead of treating their creation of the infant as something they've both produced.

[Jovian Temple]

A woman not willing to bear a man's child should not accept that man's genitalia into her own.

EDIT

Special circumstances for rape, incest, health reasons. The idea that women can abdicate a responsibility they haphazardly brought upon themselves is rather offensive, in my book.

[ice queen in a dark tower]

no, and the 'its my child too' argument is ridiculous
really, all you gave is a sperm cell
if a sperm cell really means that much to a guy then idk what to say

[ice queen in a dark tower]

stealthmongoose

Sexual Innuendo

stealthmongoose

Sexual Innuendo

stealthmongoose

Then they should come to a decision as a couple. it's going to happen anyway, whether one disagress or otherwise. As long as they can both reach a consensus, even if it means giving in, they can both take responsibility for the collective decision of their union.

They made the bigger decision together before the abortion.

That... doesn't really make any sense. Eventually, one person has to cave. That's not "making the decision together."

Can you think of a situation in which one person wouldn't have to appeal to or consider his or her partner's opinion?

Having a child i'm guessing isn't the same as renting a movie, where you can throw the weight of the decision on someone who ISN'T involved in the relationship (like a professional baby reviewer or something).

I'm only proposing that both guardians be allowed to equally have say in a decision that will influence both of their lives.

And so what if the woman is adamant about getting an abortion, and the man is adamant about having the kid? Neither of them will reach a consensus. What should be done?

Well, assuming she's not having labor on the bed and is following regular law for abortion, they should have plenty of time to agree on something or break up.

Normally it would be one of them decides on something or they break up. That turns the infant into a claim instead of treating their creation of the infant as something they've both produced.

wtf did i just read

[Camillo]

ice queen in a dark tower

no, and the 'its my child too' argument is ridiculous
really, all you gave is a sperm cell
if a sperm cell really means that much to a guy then idk what to say

Nice double standard. Like men don't want kids.

[Jovian Temple]

Camillo

ice queen in a dark tower

no, and the 'its my child too' argument is ridiculous
really, all you gave is a sperm cell
if a sperm cell really means that much to a guy then idk what to say

Nice double standard. Like men don't want kids.

It would help to establish the lines upon which a man's input is involved. "I don't really want kids right now" is sort of a bullshit reason, to be honest.