Men have absolutely no say in abortion. They can however have an opinion and put in two cents if their partner considers one.
This. If a woman is going to abort his child, then even if he has no say in changing her mind, he at least has a right to know.
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but I suspect this sort of statement, translated into law, could be very, very dangerous. In an ideal world, the woman would consult with the man and they'd both come to some sort of peaceful understanding. But what you're suggesting would punch a huge hole in a woman's right to privacy, and it begs this question; if we acknowledge a fetus as belonging enough to a man that he has the right to know about it regardless of the woman's wishes, how far a step is it to deciding that he has any other rights over that same fetus? If we allow that there are some medical conditions people other than you have a right to know, then surely we can also write laws publishing the names of people with incurable sexually transitted diseases (in order to protect the health of others, of course).
If a couple has enough communication issues for something as important as a pregnancy to go ignored, that's a problem already. It's not acknowledging the fetus persay, it is simply.. well, politeness. If I got pregnant, I'd at the very least sit down and inform my partner even if I had already decided on abortion. Translation into law wouldn't happen, ideally; it's not a legal matter, it is a matter of personal feelings and communication between two people. She does not HAVE to tell him, but I personally would consider it rather ... well, I can't think of a word that precisely gets over the level of 'what the hell' that I am considering. I could understand someone not telling a man if it was the result of a one night stand, but if it was an accident within a loving, honest relationship then to me, that would be a breech of trust and communication.
Ah, okay, yes, I definitely agree it is the polite thing to do. It was just unclear to me whether you were advocating for that in a legal sense or not : P
also that would be a personality issue, not one of gender. you don't even know what generqueer is.
I do. Hence why I chose that as my example. I would have chosen something much more plausible if I were making it up otherwise.
Genderqueer is not even a thing. I know very well to what it tries to refer. So far you've been quite consistently wrong, try harder in future.
I hate to lurk this conversation, but you keep saying that "genderqueer is not even a thing", and yet you don't use any facts or even...anything to support your arguments. Saying something doesn't make it true.
The ability of men to abdicate all parental rights and responsibilities to an unplanned child is another debate entirely.
No it isn't a separate debate. It isn't even a debate.
Er, it seems to me there's a sizeable contingent of people who believe men shouldn't have that ability, hence why it is part of family law. I wish abortion wasn't a debate and just taken for granted, too, but wishing doesn't make it true.