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Sweetpea The Tigress
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I hate to interrupt Jeorg, but as a future counselor I'm really curious to know what it is you're advocating.
Client/Counselor relationships can not exist without a degree of trust, and while I'm all for clients being advocates for themselves and taking charge of their care, I'm really very concerned that you're flat out telling people not to trust their counselors. Blind faith is one thing. Trust is something else.
So what exactly are you advocating?

He's probably stopped taking his meds. I smell unreasonable paranoia; and he's jumping to conclusions if not delusional to think that I'm trusting and/or naive. I'm going to cease to respond to him, especially as I've seen his posts in other places, and he's just letting people have it. I'm not interested...


How fascinating. I hadn't thought that you would resort to such dirtied methods for quite some time yet, despite you having lost the conversation some time back. But- I overestimated your worth. Disappointing.

If you are interested, however, I have ceased to consume psychological medication, for approximately two months. I am due for my psychological implosion, and certain circumstances will only prove to worsen the event. It should prove exciting. However... There is still a month of sanity left. Your ploy to insult me as well as excuse yourself from this conversation was effective, but only in making you appear the fool.

Ah, as an additional detail: I do not see myself as 'letting people have it'. I am content with knowing I am either effectively giving advice and input to be used intelligently, or unveiling another class fool. In this case, I am assuming it is the former? Ah, but you are discontinuing the conversation! I suppose it is closed from discussion.
 
     
 
Jeorg
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Jeorg
Sweetpea The Tigress
Kaosgirl


The one who abuses it.



What we allow them, is trust. Trust that they know what they're doing, that they are professionals, and that their professionalism encourages them to act in their client's best interests.

We must allow them some degree of trust in order for them to assist us at all.

Very well put, Kaosgirl. And why he assumes things, I don't know.I checked my therapist and PsyDoc out online, made sure they had all the right licenses and that there were no complaints against them, checked their educations, etc.


I am losing my temper for the day with fools such as yourself, but I will try to hold it.

If you would like to review my last post, please do. I answered Kaosgirl's accusations, but here I will answer yours.

Licenses do not mean a fething thing. The fact is, my dear, that your own blunderings are not the only. Specialists may also blunder, despite their profession and its requirements. Both of you seem to be under the impression that to help is to be sinless. Please do not be so ignorant- it is unbecoming. There are those that prey on such professions, and there are those that have nothing to offer. Neither should be trusted, yet you are so blind as to think that they should be. It's disgusting, miss, how naive you actually are.

I hate to interrupt Jeorg, but as a future counselor I'm really curious to know what it is you're advocating.
Client/Counselor relationships can not exist without a degree of trust, and while I'm all for clients being advocates for themselves and taking charge of their care, I'm really very concerned that you're flat out telling people not to trust their counselors. Blind faith is one thing. Trust is something else.
So what exactly are you advocating?


I am advocating precisely what I believe to be correct. It seems that there are too many clients that view therapists as superior, perfect to a fault, while there are therapists that believe this to be true- or false, but still do not halt the activity.

In all truth, I have grown tired of this dance. If a therapist is incorrect, then the therapist is blamed because they were thought to be infallible. Yet, all the time, they were not. It is absurd to think this dance is at all valid... And I wish to voice that it is not. Therapists should be trusted to the degree that they have earned, nothing more. To think of them as demi-gods or bums are incorrect, both of them. I am looking for a balanced medium.

I would agree that too many clients view their therapists as superior and allow an unhealthy imbalance of power.
I would also agree that too many therapists don't do enough to minimize the imbalance of power.
However, the way you are talking, it sounds like you are advocating an unhealthy level of mistrust. The client/counselor relationship can not function without a certain level of trust.

I have never met a psychologist who thought they were infallible, and in reading my book on counseling ethics, I've seen quite a bit of research on how much stress counselors and psychologists are under simple because of their fear of making mistakes. It seems like your opinion is based entirely on negative personal experience with counseling, and is highly biased. I'm sorry that you've had a negative experience, but frightening people away from potentially helpful mental health services because of your own biased opinion is unethical.
     
     
 
Geisterfahrer
Jeorg
Geisterfahrer
Jeorg
Sweetpea The Tigress
Kaosgirl


The one who abuses it.



What we allow them, is trust. Trust that they know what they're doing, that they are professionals, and that their professionalism encourages them to act in their client's best interests.

We must allow them some degree of trust in order for them to assist us at all.

Very well put, Kaosgirl. And why he assumes things, I don't know.I checked my therapist and PsyDoc out online, made sure they had all the right licenses and that there were no complaints against them, checked their educations, etc.


I am losing my temper for the day with fools such as yourself, but I will try to hold it.

If you would like to review my last post, please do. I answered Kaosgirl's accusations, but here I will answer yours.

Licenses do not mean a fething thing. The fact is, my dear, that your own blunderings are not the only. Specialists may also blunder, despite their profession and its requirements. Both of you seem to be under the impression that to help is to be sinless. Please do not be so ignorant- it is unbecoming. There are those that prey on such professions, and there are those that have nothing to offer. Neither should be trusted, yet you are so blind as to think that they should be. It's disgusting, miss, how naive you actually are.

I hate to interrupt Jeorg, but as a future counselor I'm really curious to know what it is you're advocating.
Client/Counselor relationships can not exist without a degree of trust, and while I'm all for clients being advocates for themselves and taking charge of their care, I'm really very concerned that you're flat out telling people not to trust their counselors. Blind faith is one thing. Trust is something else.
So what exactly are you advocating?


I am advocating precisely what I believe to be correct. It seems that there are too many clients that view therapists as superior, perfect to a fault, while there are therapists that believe this to be true- or false, but still do not halt the activity.

In all truth, I have grown tired of this dance. If a therapist is incorrect, then the therapist is blamed because they were thought to be infallible. Yet, all the time, they were not. It is absurd to think this dance is at all valid... And I wish to voice that it is not. Therapists should be trusted to the degree that they have earned, nothing more. To think of them as demi-gods or bums are incorrect, both of them. I am looking for a balanced medium.

I would agree that too many clients view their therapists as superior and allow an unhealthy imbalance of power.
I would also agree that too many therapists don't do enough to minimize the imbalance of power.
However, the way you are talking, it sounds like you are advocating an unhealthy level of mistrust. The client/counselor relationship can not function without a certain level of trust.

I have never met a psychologist who thought they were infallible, and in reading my book on counseling ethics, I've seen quite a bit of research on how much stress counselors and psychologists are under simple because of their fear of making mistakes. It seems like your opinion is based entirely on negative personal experience with counseling, and is highly biased. I'm sorry that you've had a negative experience, but frightening people away from potentially helpful mental health services because of your own biased opinion is unethical.


I would agree. I would also like to emphasise, however, that I was conversing with ignorant, over-trusting fools before you immersed yourself within this conversation. I was purposely setting a negative atmosphere because of their own behaviours exhibited. With you, I would most likely take another course of action- there are, as I am sure you would agree, different techniques for handling a variety of people.

So. That being said, I have had splendid experiences with therapists. The first labeled me, a five-year-old, as playing 'mind games'. The second, years later, claimed to have supreme knowledge of EMDR whilst administering it incorrectly- and failed to confirm that I was not DID. That ghastly ordeal went on for two years, and I fragmented uncontrollably. The third, I am still with, and have forgiven the other two their blunderings because of.

Perhaps you will have noticed my sarcasm when I commented of 'splendid experiences', but I feel no anger or regret towards therapists. It is simply a case of imbalanced trust that I seek to resolve.

I do not find either polars more fetching than the other, and I do believe that you are incorrect to assume various aspects of myself that you have no knowledge of. It is all fine and well to theorise, but to accuse, even gently, when you retain no knowledge of myself is- incorrect.
 
     
 
Jeorg
Geisterfahrer
Jeorg
Geisterfahrer
Jeorg


I am losing my temper for the day with fools such as yourself, but I will try to hold it.

If you would like to review my last post, please do. I answered Kaosgirl's accusations, but here I will answer yours.

Licenses do not mean a fething thing. The fact is, my dear, that your own blunderings are not the only. Specialists may also blunder, despite their profession and its requirements. Both of you seem to be under the impression that to help is to be sinless. Please do not be so ignorant- it is unbecoming. There are those that prey on such professions, and there are those that have nothing to offer. Neither should be trusted, yet you are so blind as to think that they should be. It's disgusting, miss, how naive you actually are.

I hate to interrupt Jeorg, but as a future counselor I'm really curious to know what it is you're advocating.
Client/Counselor relationships can not exist without a degree of trust, and while I'm all for clients being advocates for themselves and taking charge of their care, I'm really very concerned that you're flat out telling people not to trust their counselors. Blind faith is one thing. Trust is something else.
So what exactly are you advocating?


I am advocating precisely what I believe to be correct. It seems that there are too many clients that view therapists as superior, perfect to a fault, while there are therapists that believe this to be true- or false, but still do not halt the activity.

In all truth, I have grown tired of this dance. If a therapist is incorrect, then the therapist is blamed because they were thought to be infallible. Yet, all the time, they were not. It is absurd to think this dance is at all valid... And I wish to voice that it is not. Therapists should be trusted to the degree that they have earned, nothing more. To think of them as demi-gods or bums are incorrect, both of them. I am looking for a balanced medium.

I would agree that too many clients view their therapists as superior and allow an unhealthy imbalance of power.
I would also agree that too many therapists don't do enough to minimize the imbalance of power.
However, the way you are talking, it sounds like you are advocating an unhealthy level of mistrust. The client/counselor relationship can not function without a certain level of trust.

I have never met a psychologist who thought they were infallible, and in reading my book on counseling ethics, I've seen quite a bit of research on how much stress counselors and psychologists are under simple because of their fear of making mistakes. It seems like your opinion is based entirely on negative personal experience with counseling, and is highly biased. I'm sorry that you've had a negative experience, but frightening people away from potentially helpful mental health services because of your own biased opinion is unethical.


I would agree. I would also like to emphasise, however, that I was conversing with ignorant, over-trusting fools before you immersed yourself within this conversation. I was purposely setting a negative atmosphere because of their own behaviours exhibited. With you, I would most likely take another course of action- there are, as I am sure you would agree, different techniques for handling a variety of people.

So. That being said, I have had splendid experiences with therapists. The first labeled me, a five-year-old, as playing 'mind games'. The second, years later, claimed to have supreme knowledge of EMDR whilst administering it incorrectly- and failed to confirm that I was not DID. That ghastly ordeal went on for two years, and I fragmented uncontrollably. The third, I am still with, and have forgiven the other two their blunderings because of.

Perhaps you will have noticed my sarcasm when I commented of 'splendid experiences', but I feel no anger or regret towards therapists. It is simply a case of imbalanced trust that I seek to resolve.

I do not find either polars more fetching than the other, and I do believe that you are incorrect to assume various aspects of myself that you have no knowledge of. It is all fine and well to theorise, but to accuse, even gently, when you retain no knowledge of myself is- incorrect.

There's no need to insult and degrade the others here.

I wonder how, as a five year old, having less trust in your therapist would have improved the situation. At five years old, you were very powerless and it is very unfortunate that you were apparently seeing a therapist who was unqualified and poorly trained. While five year olds are quite capable of playing mind games, it seems unlikely that you were doing so. However, I doubt that having less trust in your therapist would have improved your situation. Perhaps we could say your parents should not have put so much faith in your therapist.

Many psychologists miss the diagnosis of DID. Most people with DID receive five to seven wrong diagnosis before getting the correct one. This isn't because every psychologist they see before hand is an idiot. This isn't a matter of a lack of training, or clients having too much faith in their counselors. It's simply that DID is a very elusive and difficult to diagnose disorder. The diagnosis of DID relies heavily on client self-reported behaviors and unless switching is observed during the session, which is extremely rare, it's very hard to diagnose. You are lucky to have been diagnosed as young as you were.

If I've made incorrect assumptions about you, feel free to correct me. It seems that my assumption that you were basing your argument on previous negative experience with counseling was correct.

I am relieved to hear that you are currently in counseling, especially given what you said earlier about not being on medication. Personally, I believe that in most situations people should be allowed to make decisions regarding their own medication, and if someone chooses not to be on medication, that choice should be respected. However, you have an obligation to notify your doctors and therapist if you go off of your medication. If they don't know already, you should tell them.
     
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It is an actual disorder however it has been mistaken as schitzophrenia even though they are different. They do have similarities however one major of many stands out. Skitzophrenia is an external fear of something or continually experiencing same trauma in different ways. DID is often a way to hide from trauma by permanantly seperating a section of yourself until it becomes it own self within. sort of. it's hard to explain. but there are many forms of DID.
 
     
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Geisterfahrer
Jeorg
Geisterfahrer
Jeorg
Geisterfahrer
Jeorg


I am losing my temper for the day with fools such as yourself, but I will try to hold it.

If you would like to review my last post, please do. I answered Kaosgirl's accusations, but here I will answer yours.

Licenses do not mean a fething thing. The fact is, my dear, that your own blunderings are not the only. Specialists may also blunder, despite their profession and its requirements. Both of you seem to be under the impression that to help is to be sinless. Please do not be so ignorant- it is unbecoming. There are those that prey on such professions, and there are those that have nothing to offer. Neither should be trusted, yet you are so blind as to think that they should be. It's disgusting, miss, how naive you actually are.

I hate to interrupt Jeorg, but as a future counselor I'm really curious to know what it is you're advocating.
Client/Counselor relationships can not exist without a degree of trust, and while I'm all for clients being advocates for themselves and taking charge of their care, I'm really very concerned that you're flat out telling people not to trust their counselors. Blind faith is one thing. Trust is something else.
So what exactly are you advocating?


I am advocating precisely what I believe to be correct. It seems that there are too many clients that view therapists as superior, perfect to a fault, while there are therapists that believe this to be true- or false, but still do not halt the activity.

In all truth, I have grown tired of this dance. If a therapist is incorrect, then the therapist is blamed because they were thought to be infallible. Yet, all the time, they were not. It is absurd to think this dance is at all valid... And I wish to voice that it is not. Therapists should be trusted to the degree that they have earned, nothing more. To think of them as demi-gods or bums are incorrect, both of them. I am looking for a balanced medium.

I would agree that too many clients view their therapists as superior and allow an unhealthy imbalance of power.
I would also agree that too many therapists don't do enough to minimize the imbalance of power.
However, the way you are talking, it sounds like you are advocating an unhealthy level of mistrust. The client/counselor relationship can not function without a certain level of trust.

I have never met a psychologist who thought they were infallible, and in reading my book on counseling ethics, I've seen quite a bit of research on how much stress counselors and psychologists are under simple because of their fear of making mistakes. It seems like your opinion is based entirely on negative personal experience with counseling, and is highly biased. I'm sorry that you've had a negative experience, but frightening people away from potentially helpful mental health services because of your own biased opinion is unethical.


I would agree. I would also like to emphasise, however, that I was conversing with ignorant, over-trusting fools before you immersed yourself within this conversation. I was purposely setting a negative atmosphere because of their own behaviours exhibited. With you, I would most likely take another course of action- there are, as I am sure you would agree, different techniques for handling a variety of people.

So. That being said, I have had splendid experiences with therapists. The first labeled me, a five-year-old, as playing 'mind games'. The second, years later, claimed to have supreme knowledge of EMDR whilst administering it incorrectly- and failed to confirm that I was not DID. That ghastly ordeal went on for two years, and I fragmented uncontrollably. The third, I am still with, and have forgiven the other two their blunderings because of.

Perhaps you will have noticed my sarcasm when I commented of 'splendid experiences', but I feel no anger or regret towards therapists. It is simply a case of imbalanced trust that I seek to resolve.

I do not find either polars more fetching than the other, and I do believe that you are incorrect to assume various aspects of myself that you have no knowledge of. It is all fine and well to theorise, but to accuse, even gently, when you retain no knowledge of myself is- incorrect.

There's no need to insult and degrade the others here.

I wonder how, as a five year old, having less trust in your therapist would have improved the situation. At five years old, you were very powerless and it is very unfortunate that you were apparently seeing a therapist who was unqualified and poorly trained. While five year olds are quite capable of playing mind games, it seems unlikely that you were doing so. However, I doubt that having less trust in your therapist would have improved your situation. Perhaps we could say your parents should not have put so much faith in your therapist.

Many psychologists miss the diagnosis of DID. Most people with DID receive five to seven wrong diagnosis before getting the correct one. This isn't because every psychologist they see before hand is an idiot. This isn't a matter of a lack of training, or clients having too much faith in their counselors. It's simply that DID is a very elusive and difficult to diagnose disorder. The diagnosis of DID relies heavily on client self-reported behaviors and unless switching is observed during the session, which is extremely rare, it's very hard to diagnose. You are lucky to have been diagnosed as young as you were.

If I've made incorrect assumptions about you, feel free to correct me. It seems that my assumption that you were basing your argument on previous negative experience with counseling was correct.

I am relieved to hear that you are currently in counseling, especially given what you said earlier about not being on medication. Personally, I believe that in most situations people should be allowed to make decisions regarding their own medication, and if someone chooses not to be on medication, that choice should be respected. However, you have an obligation to notify your doctors and therapist if you go off of your medication. If they don't know already, you should tell them.


I did not claim that my previous situations with therapists involved a lack of trust, merely that you were correct of ill experiences. I will continue to trust my therapists to the degree that I feel to be balanced- and, thus, correct.

I will admit that I was indeed playing 'mind games'. I have fooled many people in my lifetime, including those that I was involved with at the age of five. It is the truth, and I hold no prejudice against it, merely the form in which it is expressed. Manipulation is an art- though dark- not a child's game. Even then I looked upon it as an art, to be used properly, skillfully, and subtly. I continue to use it, yes, and though I do find satisfaction within it, I will discontinue when it is no longer necessary for survival.
My therapist, by the by, was very skilled in her work. The downfall was not with her, but with my mother when she used the therapist's words to damage me. She did an excellent job.

I am fully aware of the difficulties in recognising DID. I was thought to be BP for some time, and the same obstacles are involved with that.
However. I was not referring to that, but rather to basic EMDR process. When trained properly in EMDR, a therapist should be aware of how damaging it is for any undiagnosed [as well as diagnosed] DID patients. That is an essential point in the training. Therefore, they should conduct a simple test that would determine if any dissociation has occured, and if the patient may suffer from DID.
My therapist claimed to have proper training, and began immediately with EMDR, no inquiries made. She continued this for two years with sessions ending in me having psychological collapses and being unable to live as a normal human for two to three days. By the end of the first year I no longer attended school and I could hardly remember to eat, change clothes, or even read. My life had collapsed, in all truth. She was not bothered by this. Three months before two years had been completed she attended her first genuine EMDR training, though continued with it despite. My last session with her was spent with me taking the dissociation preliminary test, acing it, and her becoming unsure of how to treat me. That is not including all the bothersome events in which an alter appeared during a session, staying until the next session...
That is what I am referring to- her incompetence.

As I pointed out before, yes, you were correct in assuming that I have had unfavorable experiences. However, you jumped to the conclusion that I am distrusting of therapists, and that is when you erred.

I am not currently taking any medication, no. But I did inform both my active therapist and my prescribing therapist before I took such a daring feat, and was properly weened off them both in order for the medication to take less of a toll on my system. I am currently discussing with them possibilities for another medication, considering that a drug-inflicted emotional roller-coaster should not be in order at present [as specialised EMDR does not favor it]. There is no need for alarm in this area.
Also, I would like to point out that I continue to trust my therapists entirely- as much as I feel should be counted within 'entirely'. I tell them everything that I find relevant, and that is enough. I do not keep things from them as this may also damage myself, and I see no reason for it.

As a side note... I would be mindful of how you use the term 'You were very powerless'. It is popular with alters, as well as victims in general- and in contexts such as this it may not be to your, the therapist's, advantage.
 
     
     
 
mirachan3
It is an actual disorder however it has been mistaken as schitzophrenia even though they are different. They do have similarities however one major of many stands out. Skitzophrenia is an external fear of something or continually experiencing same trauma in different ways. DID is often a way to hide from trauma by permanantly seperating a section of yourself until it becomes it own self within. sort of. it's hard to explain. but there are many forms of DID.


First correction: I fear that you have misspelled 'schizophrenia' twice... There is no 'k' or 't' involved.

Second correction: While schizophrenia and DID are in many ways alike, and in many ways varying, you seem to have the wrong characteristics relating them. Schizophrenia is often mistaken for DID, but. While schizophrenia distorts reality [delusions], DID merely distorts what areas of reality are known by various alters. Also... Schizophrenics have seemingly unrelated reactions to events or other causes- irrational, in some respects. However, this is not two personalities involved, as with DID, but rather one disconnected personality. I prefer to think that there is no relation between the two, otherwise I would easily mistake one for the other.

It seems you have already done so.
 
     
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