Dissociative Identity Disorder

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Exoth XIV

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Exoth XIV

Question: hypnotic therapy?
Another: were you on any drugs at the time?
It could maybe be the thought disorder of schizophrenia, with the other "personalities" being hallucinations. It's possible your therapist is only making things worse. Therapists should never be quick to diagnose with DID.

Problem being, hallucinations in schizophrenia don't take over the body.

Yeah, but formal disorganization of thought could lead to him doing something, then simply forgetting about it. That would SEEM like someone was taking over his body.

From one side it seems very similar, because the person doesn't really remember much of anything for either occurrence. But when presented to someone else, they seem vastly different. One seems like the same person, just more frazzled mentally. The other seems like a different person entirely. It all depends on how it was expressed to the person. Though I will point out again that alters have nothing to do with hallucinations, so that's still pretty much excluded.

[Boudica Celtic Queen]

I work in psych and it is a valid disorder although very different from schizophrenia. Schizophrenia often is accompanied by different voices, however, you do not become them, you hear them. They have distinct personalities, but you are aware of them. Multiple Personality Disorder is when they are truly a part of you, but many times people don't know it. The personalities come out and you don't know you've become "someone else." Sybill was the first classic case brought out into the mainstream. She developed the disorder due to severe trauma and abuse. It was her brain's way of "escaping" what she was put through.

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Bouidicca

I work in psych and it is a valid disorder although very different from schizophrenia. Schizophrenia often is accompanied by different voices, however, you do not become them, you hear them. They have distinct personalities, but you are aware of them. Multiple Personality Disorder is when they are truly a part of you, but many times people don't know it. The personalities come out and you don't know you've become "someone else." Sybill was the first classic case brought out into the mainstream. She developed the disorder due to severe trauma and abuse. It was her brain's way of "escaping" what she was put through.

Sybil's case is generally considered fraudulent now. She's one of the reasons so many insist it doesn't exist, including professionals.

[Captain Verd]

Bouidicca

I work in psych and it is a valid disorder although very different from schizophrenia. Schizophrenia often is accompanied by different voices, however, you do not become them, you hear them. They have distinct personalities, but you are aware of them. Multiple Personality Disorder is when they are truly a part of you, but many times people don't know it. The personalities come out and you don't know you've become "someone else." Sybill was the first classic case brought out into the mainstream. She developed the disorder due to severe trauma and abuse. It was her brain's way of "escaping" what she was put through.

What's it called when you "become" people that you hear and see?

[Blind Guardian the 2nd]

Multiple personality disorder (or dissasociative identity disorder if you insist on newspeak) is a created disorder. But as we have made it, it is now real. Whether a disorder is socially constructed or not, it does not mean you can suddenly go back on your diagnosis now that you have already altered many individual's sense of self.

In other words, you cannot tell someone they are a duck, and then once they believe it, tell them they aren't. Especially when thousands of people believe they're ducks.

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Captain Verd

Bouidicca

I work in psych and it is a valid disorder although very different from schizophrenia. Schizophrenia often is accompanied by different voices, however, you do not become them, you hear them. They have distinct personalities, but you are aware of them. Multiple Personality Disorder is when they are truly a part of you, but many times people don't know it. The personalities come out and you don't know you've become "someone else." Sybill was the first classic case brought out into the mainstream. She developed the disorder due to severe trauma and abuse. It was her brain's way of "escaping" what she was put through.

What's it called when you "become" people that you hear and see?

Define hear and see.

[Boudica Celtic Queen]

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Bouidicca

I work in psych and it is a valid disorder although very different from schizophrenia. Schizophrenia often is accompanied by different voices, however, you do not become them, you hear them. They have distinct personalities, but you are aware of them. Multiple Personality Disorder is when they are truly a part of you, but many times people don't know it. The personalities come out and you don't know you've become "someone else." Sybill was the first classic case brought out into the mainstream. She developed the disorder due to severe trauma and abuse. It was her brain's way of "escaping" what she was put through.

Sybil's case is generally considered fraudulent now. She's one of the reasons so many insist it doesn't exist, including professionals.

Not by all

[Captain Verd]

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Bouidicca

I work in psych and it is a valid disorder although very different from schizophrenia. Schizophrenia often is accompanied by different voices, however, you do not become them, you hear them. They have distinct personalities, but you are aware of them. Multiple Personality Disorder is when they are truly a part of you, but many times people don't know it. The personalities come out and you don't know you've become "someone else." Sybill was the first classic case brought out into the mainstream. She developed the disorder due to severe trauma and abuse. It was her brain's way of "escaping" what she was put through.

What's it called when you "become" people that you hear and see?

Define hear and see.

Er... besides the obvious seeing and hearing? A hallucinated person that comes about because of schizophrenia. A "person" who's usually seen during an upsetting time, but in general is the most common reoccuring character.

[Boudica Celtic Queen]

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Captain Verd

Bouidicca

I work in psych and it is a valid disorder although very different from schizophrenia. Schizophrenia often is accompanied by different voices, however, you do not become them, you hear them. They have distinct personalities, but you are aware of them. Multiple Personality Disorder is when they are truly a part of you, but many times people don't know it. The personalities come out and you don't know you've become "someone else." Sybill was the first classic case brought out into the mainstream. She developed the disorder due to severe trauma and abuse. It was her brain's way of "escaping" what she was put through.

What's it called when you "become" people that you hear and see?

Define hear and see.

Schizophrenics don't become them, but they hear them in their minds and even have names, personalities, even physical descriptions. That's part of their delusions.

If you become them, that's when Multiple Personality Disorder sets in. Becoming them, you don't know you've done so. It's very different from regular schizophrenia.

We have a patient on my ward who is schizophrenic with traits of this disorder. Sometimes she talks to unseen people, sometimes she is a different person with a different name. It varies between male and female. Sometimes when she gets like this she becomes a hearing person (she is deaf, I work on a deaf ward) and refuses to sign. She speaks and wants to be spoken to. She goes by a different name on those days, too. Sometimes in signing consent forms, she is a different person also.

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Bouidicca

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Bouidicca

I work in psych and it is a valid disorder although very different from schizophrenia. Schizophrenia often is accompanied by different voices, however, you do not become them, you hear them. They have distinct personalities, but you are aware of them. Multiple Personality Disorder is when they are truly a part of you, but many times people don't know it. The personalities come out and you don't know you've become "someone else." Sybill was the first classic case brought out into the mainstream. She developed the disorder due to severe trauma and abuse. It was her brain's way of "escaping" what she was put through.

Sybil's case is generally considered fraudulent now. She's one of the reasons so many insist it doesn't exist, including professionals.

Not by all

But by the vast majority.

She's not a good example. Her case can't be proven and there's a lot of controversy around it due to the therapy methods used, inability to back up the claims made by the therapist, and the lack of understanding of the disorder at the time. The combination of the first and third parts are especially problematic, because without proper understanding, certain methods can worsen a pre-existing problem or create one from nothing.

Either way, her records are sealed and there's no way for people to determine the truth regarding her life and diagnosis. You're best off leaving that one alone and finding an example that you can actually work with. Using an example you can't verify to be true or false based on said speculation alone is pointless.

[Captain Verd]

Bouidicca

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Bouidicca

I work in psych and it is a valid disorder although very different from schizophrenia. Schizophrenia often is accompanied by different voices, however, you do not become them, you hear them. They have distinct personalities, but you are aware of them. Multiple Personality Disorder is when they are truly a part of you, but many times people don't know it. The personalities come out and you don't know you've become "someone else." Sybill was the first classic case brought out into the mainstream. She developed the disorder due to severe trauma and abuse. It was her brain's way of "escaping" what she was put through.

What's it called when you "become" people that you hear and see?

Define hear and see.

Schizophrenics don't become them, but they hear them in their minds and even have names, personalities, even physical descriptions. That's part of their delusions.

If you become them, that's when Multiple Personality Disorder sets in. Becoming them, you don't know you've done so. It's very different from regular schizophrenia.

I know the difference, I was just wondering if it was normal (relatively speaking, of course) for a person with DID to "become" people that they normally hallucinate.

[Captain Verd]

Blind Guardian the 2nd

Multiple personality disorder (or dissasociative identity disorder if you insist on newspeak) is a created disorder. But as we have made it, it is now real. Whether a disorder is socially constructed or not, it does not mean you can suddenly go back on your diagnosis now that you have already altered many individual's sense of self.

In other words, you cannot tell someone they are a duck, and then once they believe it, tell them they aren't. Especially when thousands of people believe they're ducks.

Well with that line of thinking, we could say that ALL disorders are created disorders.

[Blind Guardian the 2nd]

Captain Verd

Blind Guardian the 2nd

Multiple personality disorder (or dissasociative identity disorder if you insist on newspeak) is a created disorder. But as we have made it, it is now real. Whether a disorder is socially constructed or not, it does not mean you can suddenly go back on your diagnosis now that you have already altered many individual's sense of self.

In other words, you cannot tell someone they are a duck, and then once they believe it, tell them they aren't. Especially when thousands of people believe they're ducks.

Well with that line of thinking, we could say that ALL disorders are created disorders.

Correct. Post-traumatic stress disorder certainly is.

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Captain Verd

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Bouidicca

I work in psych and it is a valid disorder although very different from schizophrenia. Schizophrenia often is accompanied by different voices, however, you do not become them, you hear them. They have distinct personalities, but you are aware of them. Multiple Personality Disorder is when they are truly a part of you, but many times people don't know it. The personalities come out and you don't know you've become "someone else." Sybill was the first classic case brought out into the mainstream. She developed the disorder due to severe trauma and abuse. It was her brain's way of "escaping" what she was put through.

What's it called when you "become" people that you hear and see?

Define hear and see.

Er... besides the obvious seeing and hearing? A hallucinated person that comes about because of schizophrenia. A "person" who's usually seen during an upsetting time, but in general is the most common reoccuring character.

Well no, that's not quite what I mean.

Hearing and seeing are common words used among plural systems, be they DID systems or other causes. The definitions differ, hence why I asked. A lot of systems will describe their experiences with each other, even internally, as hearing or seeing them because it feels like that's what you're doing, even if you're not actually doing that with your primary senses. Good example is seeing images in your mind, like memories. You don't see them with your eyes, but you still feel like you "see" them.

If one is seeing them or hearing them outside of this context, or outside the body, then yeah they're generally considered hallucinations.

But if you're referring to a hallucination becoming internalized (which I think is what you're getting at, correct me if I'm wrong, cold meds are kicking my a**), then I'm not entirely sure. I have that problem though.

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Captain Verd

Bouidicca

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Bouidicca

I work in psych and it is a valid disorder although very different from schizophrenia. Schizophrenia often is accompanied by different voices, however, you do not become them, you hear them. They have distinct personalities, but you are aware of them. Multiple Personality Disorder is when they are truly a part of you, but many times people don't know it. The personalities come out and you don't know you've become "someone else." Sybill was the first classic case brought out into the mainstream. She developed the disorder due to severe trauma and abuse. It was her brain's way of "escaping" what she was put through.

What's it called when you "become" people that you hear and see?

Define hear and see.

Schizophrenics don't become them, but they hear them in their minds and even have names, personalities, even physical descriptions. That's part of their delusions.

If you become them, that's when Multiple Personality Disorder sets in. Becoming them, you don't know you've done so. It's very different from regular schizophrenia.

I know the difference, I was just wondering if it was normal (relatively speaking, of course) for a person with DID to "become" people that they normally hallucinate.

It's not exactly common, since DID isn't generally connected to psychosis. But if a person has comorbid conditions, I'd wager it's possible.