Dissociative Identity Disorder

[That_comic_guy]

Sweetpea The Tigress

Yoshpet

There's like five people on the first page saying either they have it or they know someone who does, and then go on to say that it's rare and often misdiagnosed.

Do I need say more?

Yes. Yes, you do. mrgreen

It's normal for the ED?

[xCasondra]

My mom is paranoid schizophrenic.

She talks to herself thinking she is talking to FBI agents that put a microchip in her head to track her. The head of the fabricated FBI agency calls himself "Daddy." She often thinks that people are after her and that the police rape her all the time.

If someone you know is schizophrenic they actually hear voices in their head. It is like multiple personality, but these personalities are actually manifested and are "real" to the person who has it.

It's not normally genetic, so really the only way to get it is to have gone through severe trauma, or in my mother's case, trauma and 2 car accidents putting her in a coma.

It's actually pretty depressing because these people are considered the least of the government's worries. They can't stay at mental hospitals unless they are known to try to hurt themselves or others, so they are left out in the streets if they have no family to take care of them. And like most people with mental disorders, they like to just randomly stop taking their medications.

[Sweetpea The Tigress]

xCasondra

My mom is paranoid schizophrenic.

She talks to herself thinking she is talking to FBI agents that put a microchip in her head to track her. The head of the fabricated FBI agency calls himself "Daddy." She often thinks that people are after her and that the police rape her all the time.

If someone you know is schizophrenic they actually hear voices in their head. It is like multiple personality, but these personalities are actually manifested and are "real" to the person who has it.

It's not normally genetic, so really the only way to get it is to have gone through severe trauma, or in my mother's case, trauma and 2 car accidents putting her in a coma.

It's actually pretty depressing because these people are considered the least of the government's worries. They can't stay at mental hospitals unless they are known to try to hurt themselves or others, so they are left out in the streets if they have no family to take care of them. And like most people with mental disorders, they like to just randomly stop taking their medications.

Wow.. that's rough. Who takes care of your mom? You? Do her meds work when she takes them?

[Sweetpea The Tigress]

That_comic_guy

Sweetpea The Tigress

Yoshpet

There's like five people on the first page saying either they have it or they know someone who does, and then go on to say that it's rare and often misdiagnosed.

Do I need say more?

Yes. Yes, you do. mrgreen

It's normal for the ED?

Not only is it normal for those in the Ed to have mental illness mrgreen , but also, its normal to explain oneself and make debatable comments. I guess i could just reply to him in kind "So what! I say it exists!", but that's not ED worthy.

[Geisterfahrer]

I found this interesting and thought I'd share.
Living With Multiple Personality Disorder - Herschell Walker

Quote:

Herschel Walker in conversation at the Oxonian Society in New York City.

Herschel Walker is a former American football player who played at The University of Georgia in college and professionally in the United States Football League and the National Football League. Walker is widely regarded as one of the greatest college football players ever.

Herschel Walker played professional football for the Dallas Cowboys, Philadelphia Eagles, New York Giants, and Minnesota Vikings. He now owns a number of businesses, including a food service company, under the name Renaissance Man International. He lives in Dallas, Texas.

He is the author of the book, Breaking Free: My Life with Dissociative Identity Disorder.

[Comeback Cat]

There's speculation that it may exist (when it's diagnosed it usually coincides with extreme trauma or childhood abuse), but if it is, it's very, very rare. I mean, rare to the degree that it's extremely unlikely that you'd get that diagnosis without going through at least three or five psychologists, who would probably try out other diagnoses and treatments before even thinking to mention DID.

[Geisterfahrer]

Comeback Cat

There's speculation that it may exist

No, it does exist. According to the American Psychiatric Association, Dissociative Identity Disorder is a recognized psychological condition. It doesn't even make sense to say that there's speculation that it exists. If something is in the DSM, it is recognized as existing as a valid diagnosis. There is some disagreement over how valid the diagnosis is, and whether or not the condition is induced by psychologists essentially creating hysteria in their clients, but there really isn't any question over whether or not it exists.

Comeback Cat

(when it's diagnosed it usually coincides with extreme trauma or childhood abuse), but if it is, it's very, very rare. I mean, rare to the degree that it's extremely unlikely that you'd get that diagnosis without going through at least three or five psychologists, who would probably try out other diagnoses and treatments before even thinking to mention DID.

The rest of what you said is fairly accurate. DID is generally caused by severe childhood trauma and/or abuse. However, it is not quite as rare as previously believed. New research is showing that dissociation is a common feature in traumatized and severely mentally ill people. It just frequently goes undiagnosed because of the stigma attached to DID and a lack of training in the mental health field.
The fact that people with DID frequently get misdiagnosed five to seven times before getting a proper diagnosis has nothing to do with the rarity of DID. Their misdiagnosis has to to with the stigma attached to DID, professionals reluctance to diagnose a controversial disorder, and a lack of training regarding DID in the mental health field.
FYI, no psychologist/psychiatrist worth salt will "try out" a diagnosis. That's not how a diagnosis is made. It is not a hat. We do not try it on for size and see if it fits. A diagnosis sticks for life. Once it goes in your file, it stays there. No psychologist/psychiatrist should make a diagnosis until they are fairly certain it is the correct one. DID may not be the first diagnosis that comes to mind, but if they have a well rounded education, they should consider all possibilities before rushing to a diagnosis.

[error-dot-tar]

xCasondra

If someone you know is schizophrenic they actually hear voices in their head. It is like multiple personality, but these personalities are actually manifested and are "real" to the person who has it.

This is not similar at all. What people refer to as multiple personalities are alters that actually take control of the body at various times and have their own identities. The voices heard in hallucinations do not. While people in a system may "hear" each other internally, it's more of a metaphor - it's not actually hearing them, like one does with hallucinations. It's just the best way to describe it to someone that doesn't experience it themselves, to show communication between people like what happens externally with one's physical senses.

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It's not normally genetic, so really the only way to get it is to have gone through severe trauma, or in my mother's case, trauma and 2 car accidents putting her in a coma.

Which is not normally genetic? Schizophrenia or DID?

[Geisterfahrer]

error-dot-tar

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It's not normally genetic, so really the only way to get it is to have gone through severe trauma, or in my mother's case, trauma and 2 car accidents putting her in a coma.

Which is not normally genetic? Schizophrenia or DID?

I'm not sure which she is talking about, but both schizophrenia and and DID are thought to have a genetic component. Since schizophrenia is more common, more research has been done on the subject and there is more evidence to support the idea that schizophrenia is genetic. However, there is some research that suggest that the tendency to dissociate in reaction to traumatic or stressful situations is genetic. Theoretically, genetic predisposition for dissociation plus adequate stress and trauma is what leads to DID. With DID being as uncommon as it is, there just hasn't been enough research into the theory to really say for certain that there is a genetic component.

[Sweetpea The Tigress]

Geisterfahrer

I found this interesting and thought I'd share.
Living With Multiple Personality Disorder - Herschell Walker

Quote:

Herschel Walker in conversation at the Oxonian Society in New York City.

Herschel Walker is a former American football player who played at The University of Georgia in college and professionally in the United States Football League and the National Football League. Walker is widely regarded as one of the greatest college football players ever.

Herschel Walker played professional football for the Dallas Cowboys, Philadelphia Eagles, New York Giants, and Minnesota Vikings. He now owns a number of businesses, including a food service company, under the name Renaissance Man International. He lives in Dallas, Texas.

He is the author of the book, Breaking Free: My Life with Dissociative Identity Disorder.

Thank you, GF. I am definitely going to get that book. I like to see how people cope. And I think I heard of this athlete, too.

[Jeorg]

Kaosgirl

Jeorg

Sweetpea The Tigress

Jeorg

Sweetpea The Tigress

Things happen. I've heard some doctors are pervs.

Some are. Is it that absurd to think of doctors as humans, as well?

No, its not- but when they have so much power, do they really get to be just human?

I do not understand why you expect so much from those of these professions? There are those, including yourself, that allow them power that they have never earned. Who's fault is it, then, when that power is abused?

The one who abuses it.

I would not necessarily agree. You have abused 'trust' by placing it upon a person undeserving. They have merely continued to be exactly who they have been from the beginning.

It is similar to a dog that chews on a specific pair of shoes. He has, since birth, always done this habit. The fool is the one that openly invites the creature to continue by not guarding the shoes via a locked door or closet. True, to begin to train and trust the creature to behave differently could mean a toy meant for such a purpose, or similar construct. However, I do believe that to think the dog will behave differently and simply giving it complete access to the boots is idiotic.

Jeorg

Kaosgirl

It is abused power initially, so why treat it differently? But why is it assumed at all? They exist in that profession to assist you, not become a misappointed demi-god.

What we allow them, is trust. Trust that they know what they're doing, that they are professionals, and that their professionalism encourages them to act in their client's best interests.

We must allow them some degree of trust in order for them to assist us at all.

True. But trust does not have to be given in all its entirety, and should never be. A profession may be flawless in all theory, but when man is involved, plans go awry. Do not be a fool.

[Jeorg]

Sweetpea The Tigress

Kaosgirl

Jeorg

Sweetpea The Tigress

Jeorg

Some are. Is it that absurd to think of doctors as humans, as well?

No, its not- but when they have so much power, do they really get to be just human?

I do not understand why you expect so much from those of these professions? There are those, including yourself, that allow them power that they have never earned. Who's fault is it, then, when that power is abused?

The one who abuses it.

Jeorg

It is abused power initially, so why treat it differently? But why is it assumed at all? They exist in that profession to assist you, not become a misappointed demi-god.

What we allow them, is trust. Trust that they know what they're doing, that they are professionals, and that their professionalism encourages them to act in their client's best interests.

We must allow them some degree of trust in order for them to assist us at all.

Very well put, Kaosgirl. And why he assumes things, I don't know.I checked my therapist and PsyDoc out online, made sure they had all the right licenses and that there were no complaints against them, checked their educations, etc.

I am losing my temper for the day with fools such as yourself, but I will try to hold it.

If you would like to review my last post, please do. I answered Kaosgirl's accusations, but here I will answer yours.

Licenses do not mean a fething thing. The fact is, my dear, that your own blunderings are not the only. Specialists may also blunder, despite their profession and its requirements. Both of you seem to be under the impression that to help is to be sinless. Please do not be so ignorant- it is unbecoming. There are those that prey on such professions, and there are those that have nothing to offer. Neither should be trusted, yet you are so blind as to think that they should be. It's disgusting, miss, how naive you actually are.

[Geisterfahrer]

Jeorg

Sweetpea The Tigress

Kaosgirl

Jeorg

Sweetpea The Tigress

No, its not- but when they have so much power, do they really get to be just human?

I do not understand why you expect so much from those of these professions? There are those, including yourself, that allow them power that they have never earned. Who's fault is it, then, when that power is abused?

The one who abuses it.

Jeorg

It is abused power initially, so why treat it differently? But why is it assumed at all? They exist in that profession to assist you, not become a misappointed demi-god.

What we allow them, is trust. Trust that they know what they're doing, that they are professionals, and that their professionalism encourages them to act in their client's best interests.

We must allow them some degree of trust in order for them to assist us at all.

Very well put, Kaosgirl. And why he assumes things, I don't know.I checked my therapist and PsyDoc out online, made sure they had all the right licenses and that there were no complaints against them, checked their educations, etc.

I am losing my temper for the day with fools such as yourself, but I will try to hold it.

If you would like to review my last post, please do. I answered Kaosgirl's accusations, but here I will answer yours.

Licenses do not mean a fething thing. The fact is, my dear, that your own blunderings are not the only. Specialists may also blunder, despite their profession and its requirements. Both of you seem to be under the impression that to help is to be sinless. Please do not be so ignorant- it is unbecoming. There are those that prey on such professions, and there are those that have nothing to offer. Neither should be trusted, yet you are so blind as to think that they should be. It's disgusting, miss, how naive you actually are.

I hate to interrupt Jeorg, but as a future counselor I'm really curious to know what it is you're advocating.
Client/Counselor relationships can not exist without a degree of trust, and while I'm all for clients being advocates for themselves and taking charge of their care, I'm really very concerned that you're flat out telling people not to trust their counselors. Blind faith is one thing. Trust is something else.
So what exactly are you advocating?

[Sweetpea The Tigress]

Geisterfahrer

I hate to interrupt Jeorg, but as a future counselor I'm really curious to know what it is you're advocating.
Client/Counselor relationships can not exist without a degree of trust, and while I'm all for clients being advocates for themselves and taking charge of their care, I'm really very concerned that you're flat out telling people not to trust their counselors. Blind faith is one thing. Trust is something else.
So what exactly are you advocating?

He's probably stopped taking his meds. I smell unreasonable paranoia; and he's jumping to conclusions if not delusional to think that I'm trusting and/or naive. I'm going to cease to respond to him, especially as I've seen his posts in other places, and he's just letting people have it. I'm not interested...

[Jeorg]

Geisterfahrer

Jeorg

Sweetpea The Tigress

Kaosgirl

Jeorg

I do not understand why you expect so much from those of these professions? There are those, including yourself, that allow them power that they have never earned. Who's fault is it, then, when that power is abused?

The one who abuses it.

Jeorg

It is abused power initially, so why treat it differently? But why is it assumed at all? They exist in that profession to assist you, not become a misappointed demi-god.

What we allow them, is trust. Trust that they know what they're doing, that they are professionals, and that their professionalism encourages them to act in their client's best interests.

We must allow them some degree of trust in order for them to assist us at all.

Very well put, Kaosgirl. And why he assumes things, I don't know.I checked my therapist and PsyDoc out online, made sure they had all the right licenses and that there were no complaints against them, checked their educations, etc.

I am losing my temper for the day with fools such as yourself, but I will try to hold it.

If you would like to review my last post, please do. I answered Kaosgirl's accusations, but here I will answer yours.

Licenses do not mean a fething thing. The fact is, my dear, that your own blunderings are not the only. Specialists may also blunder, despite their profession and its requirements. Both of you seem to be under the impression that to help is to be sinless. Please do not be so ignorant- it is unbecoming. There are those that prey on such professions, and there are those that have nothing to offer. Neither should be trusted, yet you are so blind as to think that they should be. It's disgusting, miss, how naive you actually are.

I hate to interrupt Jeorg, but as a future counselor I'm really curious to know what it is you're advocating.
Client/Counselor relationships can not exist without a degree of trust, and while I'm all for clients being advocates for themselves and taking charge of their care, I'm really very concerned that you're flat out telling people not to trust their counselors. Blind faith is one thing. Trust is something else.
So what exactly are you advocating?

I am advocating precisely what I believe to be correct. It seems that there are too many clients that view therapists as superior, perfect to a fault, while there are therapists that believe this to be true- or false, but still do not halt the activity.

In all truth, I have grown tired of this dance. If a therapist is incorrect, then the therapist is blamed because they were thought to be infallible. Yet, all the time, they were not. It is absurd to think this dance is at all valid... And I wish to voice that it is not. Therapists should be trusted to the degree that they have earned, nothing more. To think of them as demi-gods or bums are incorrect, both of them. I am looking for a balanced medium.