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Caden-kun
Sweetpea The Tigress
Hey, Phaedra McSpiffy, the stuff that guy posted about his jouyrnals and different handwriting is actually important. Different hand writing when one is different "selves" is something that the doctors check for; as is looking different; having different accents or speech patterns; and different illnesses...

Alters handle illnesses differently too. Even if the whole body is sick some alters might deal with it better or they might have less severe symptoms. I don't usually get as sick as everybody else so I front a lot when we're sick.

Hey, that's useful. 3nodding We all get sick together if its something like a cold- but we do have different chronic conditions.
 
     
 
I'm scared of psychologists... The idea of someone else knowing what I think frightens me, and I've never been able to be totally honest with anybody about the way my mind works. And I don't have time or money to have a psych.

But I think that if you're worried that you might have DID and you think it will affect your life, and you have the time and money to get a psych and do not get upset by the idea of one getting into your head, you should more than certainly go see one.

I'm not distrustful of them- they're just scary!!! crying They're one of my silly phobias.

No offense to any psychologists or psychology students. I'm sure you're extremely nice. Just not pulling my brain apart!
     
Geisterfahrer
PhaedraMcSpiffy

*nods* That would piss me off, but... I see. It's counterproductive.

They feel like real people and I don't think it hurts anything to let them consider themselves to be real people. But I get what you're saying. I always want to scream at the vampire kids that they aren't real. I guess I have more sympathy when it comes to DID.


I find it fascinating to talk to them and listen to what they say about themselves. I just can't fathom if they're making it up... They seem so convinced of themselves that I would consider it some sort of mental disorder...I also want to scream at them, though.

I think I understand your frustration with us, PMcS.
 
     
 
Geisterfahrer
PhaedraMcSpiffy
y"]Also, you mentioned PTSD earlier and I have a question about that. Why is it that these people don't just develop PTSD? Why do people who survive war and rape and disasters generally get PTSD and not DID? If it's because they're adults, why doesn't it happein small children? Is it because the trauma isn't repeated?

There are a few possible factors that would differentiate whether someone developed PTSD or DID.

The first is age. DID develops before the age of five when a child's identity is still in development. Sometimes people with DID will pinpoint an abuse or trauma that occurred at a later age and mistakenly believe that this event caused their DID, but later it is discovered that there is actually an even earlier event. Once a person has DID, further trauma and abuse can cause further fragmentation of their identity.

Another factor is genetic predisposition. Studies on dissociation have shown that there is likely a genetic predisposition to dissociate. Children with dissociative parents are more likely to be dissociative themselves. Hypothetically, two children could suffer the same trauma and one could develop PTSD while the other develops DID depending on their genetics.

The severity of the trauma and the frequency of the trauma is another factor. Although it's really had to measure trauma and pain and definitively say that a certain type of abuse isn't severe enough, usually it is more severe types of child abuse and trauma that lead to DID and generally it's abuse that is repeated that leads to DID.

PhaedraMcSpiffy
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Other terms often used by therapists and survivors to describe these entities are: "alternate personalities," "alters," "parts," "states of consciousness," "ego states," and "identities." It is important to keep in mind that although these alternate states may feel or appear to be very different, they are all manifestations of a single, whole person.

The whole idea that people could have other people living inside of them and occassionally taking control sounded a lot like belief in demonic possession to me. It seemed like people were just trying to modernize possession and dress it up as science. But this shows that it's really not like that at all! I always thought that if it's a real disorder, then these identities aren't really other people, but aspects of the actual person. Like... a role that they're playing without doing it intentionally. This, like the fact that a lot of cases couldn't have been caused by hypnosis, is a great relief to me!

So this is why they changed the name, too! Because it's not really multiple personalities, it's different aspects of a single personality that aren't attached like they are in a typical person.

I tried to explain this earlier but failed miserably. This is what I meant when I said people with DID probably wouldn't like what I said. It's not like Alters are whole other people all squished into one body. They're just fragmented aspects of one whole identity. In fact, a lot of times you'll find people with DID who have serious emotional problems like an inability to feel anger because they have an alter who handles anger. It's not always as clear cut as that, but that's just a good example of how alters represent a fragment of a whole.

Just a note to anyone who may encounter people with DID, it's really rude to tell alters that they aren't real people and that they're only fragments. While we might consider that true in the psychological realm, even counselors believe in treating each alter with respect. It's best to interact with each alter as if he or she is an individual person.


I do have PTSD and DID. I thought that PTSD was a common co-morbid condition with DID...

My others really don't like being considered as only "parts", but I reckon they are. I am too- which is weird. Even though I'm The Front, and am in front most of the time when we aren't stressed, I was made to be the front- y'know, created for that purpose...
     
PhaedraMcSpiffy
Geisterfahrer
[stuff that explains everything]

Thank you!

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Just a note to anyone who may encounter people with DID, it's really rude to tell alters that they aren't real people and that they're only fragments. While we might consider that true in the psychological realm, even counselors believe in treating each alter with respect. It's best to interact with each alter as if he or she is an individual person.


It's dickish not to.. but... gaaah! I know that they think that they're a seperate person, but they aren't. They're a fragmentation, even if that's rude to say. Buguess it's like how--and correct me if I'm wrong--you're really not supposed to tell a schizophrenic that their delusions aren't delusions. My mom's an RN, and while she may be wrong or I may remember this wrong, she me that you're just supposed to say that you can't see what they're seeing. I guess so that they'll realize it on their own. But is there an equivalent way to do that with DID?


Don't mention it, unless you want me to cry like a baby! Most of my alters are little girls!
JK. IMHO, its best to act like you are dealing with different people- they feel like they are entirely different and can be different ages and sexes...
 
     
 
Geisterfahrer

The alters know that they're alters. However, they view themselves as whole people and to tell them that they are lesser would be insulting and unhelpful. It wouldn't really be therapeutic in any way. If you're just an acquaintance or a friend talking to someone with DID and you're dealing with an alter, it's best to just treat them like a normal person. From a therapeutic position, a counselor might want to gently approach the topic with alters and discuss how they are all parts of a whole and how they might all function better if they tried to be whole.


I don't think my alters knew... but they are mostly just little kids. I hadthem refuse to deal with a therapist because she said that we were parts and should all join. They felt like she was trying to kill them... little kid ideas about being eaten by monsters?
Them kids don't like me anymore anyway because i'm older... cry
     
marlowespirals
I'm scared of psychologists... The idea of someone else knowing what I think frightens me, and I've never been able to be totally honest with anybody about the way my mind works. And I don't have time or money to have a psych.

But I think that if you're worried that you might have DID and you think it will affect your life, and you have the time and money to get a psych and do not get upset by the idea of one getting into your head, you should more than certainly go see one.

I'm not distrustful of them- they're just scary!!! crying They're one of my silly phobias.

No offense to any psychologists or psychology students. I'm sure you're extremely nice. Just not pulling my brain apart!


Hmmm... they kind of help you pick your own brain apart...
 
     
 
Sweetpea The Tigress
marlowespirals
I'm scared of psychologists... The idea of someone else knowing what I think frightens me, and I've never been able to be totally honest with anybody about the way my mind works. And I don't have time or money to have a psych.

But I think that if you're worried that you might have DID and you think it will affect your life, and you have the time and money to get a psych and do not get upset by the idea of one getting into your head, you should more than certainly go see one.

I'm not distrustful of them- they're just scary!!! crying They're one of my silly phobias.

No offense to any psychologists or psychology students. I'm sure you're extremely nice. Just not pulling my brain apart!


Hmmm... they kind of help you pick your own brain apart...

I mean, they obviously see what the problem is, and very gently lead you to it, then see if they can get you to think it through. Its like unraveling knots in yourself- it can be painful, but its a big relief later.
     
Sweetpea The Tigress
Sweetpea The Tigress
marlowespirals
I'm scared of psychologists... The idea of someone else knowing what I think frightens me, and I've never been able to be totally honest with anybody about the way my mind works. And I don't have time or money to have a psych.

But I think that if you're worried that you might have DID and you think it will affect your life, and you have the time and money to get a psych and do not get upset by the idea of one getting into your head, you should more than certainly go see one.

I'm not distrustful of them- they're just scary!!! crying They're one of my silly phobias.

No offense to any psychologists or psychology students. I'm sure you're extremely nice. Just not pulling my brain apart!


Hmmm... they kind of help you pick your own brain apart...

I mean, they obviously see what the problem is, and very gently lead you to it, then see if they can get you to think it through. Its like unraveling knots in yourself- it can be painful, but its a big relief later.


I'm scared of that painful, uncertain bit.
 
     
 
marlowespirals
Sweetpea The Tigress
Sweetpea The Tigress
marlowespirals
I'm scared of psychologists... The idea of someone else knowing what I think frightens me, and I've never been able to be totally honest with anybody about the way my mind works. And I don't have time or money to have a psych.

But I think that if you're worried that you might have DID and you think it will affect your life, and you have the time and money to get a psych and do not get upset by the idea of one getting into your head, you should more than certainly go see one.

I'm not distrustful of them- they're just scary!!! crying They're one of my silly phobias.

No offense to any psychologists or psychology students. I'm sure you're extremely nice. Just not pulling my brain apart!


Hmmm... they kind of help you pick your own brain apart...

I mean, they obviously see what the problem is, and very gently lead you to it, then see if they can get you to think it through. Its like unraveling knots in yourself- it can be painful, but its a big relief later.


I'm scared of that painful, uncertain bit.


Its sort of like throwing up (which can be a big relief when you're sick), but unlike barfing, you get to choose whether you do or not; they won't force you... for me, the relief is worth it. I guess it depends... I'm more integrated and in less emotional pain, so its been worth it for me.
     
Sweetpea The Tigress
marlowespirals
Sweetpea The Tigress
Sweetpea The Tigress
marlowespirals
I'm scared of psychologists... The idea of someone else knowing what I think frightens me, and I've never been able to be totally honest with anybody about the way my mind works. And I don't have time or money to have a psych.

But I think that if you're worried that you might have DID and you think it will affect your life, and you have the time and money to get a psych and do not get upset by the idea of one getting into your head, you should more than certainly go see one.

I'm not distrustful of them- they're just scary!!! crying They're one of my silly phobias.

No offense to any psychologists or psychology students. I'm sure you're extremely nice. Just not pulling my brain apart!


Hmmm... they kind of help you pick your own brain apart...

I mean, they obviously see what the problem is, and very gently lead you to it, then see if they can get you to think it through. Its like unraveling knots in yourself- it can be painful, but its a big relief later.


I'm scared of that painful, uncertain bit.


Its sort of like throwing up (which can be a big relief when you're sick), but unlike barfing, you get to choose whether you do or not; they won't force you... for me, the relief is worth it. I guess it depends... I'm more integrated and in less emotional pain, so its been worth it for me.


Yeah, I know. I'm just not in significant enough emotional pain at this time in my life to want to submit to something like that. I accept that when I go away from home and have to deal with meeting new people all over again, my fear of people will overcome my fear of psychs and I'll go to someone.

Just not right now.
 
     
 
marlowespirals
Sweetpea The Tigress
marlowespirals
Sweetpea The Tigress
Sweetpea The Tigress
marlowespirals
I'm scared of psychologists... The idea of someone else knowing what I think frightens me, and I've never been able to be totally honest with anybody about the way my mind works. And I don't have time or money to have a psych.

But I think that if you're worried that you might have DID and you think it will affect your life, and you have the time and money to get a psych and do not get upset by the idea of one getting into your head, you should more than certainly go see one.

I'm not distrustful of them- they're just scary!!! crying They're one of my silly phobias.

No offense to any psychologists or psychology students. I'm sure you're extremely nice. Just not pulling my brain apart!


Hmmm... they kind of help you pick your own brain apart...

I mean, they obviously see what the problem is, and very gently lead you to it, then see if they can get you to think it through. Its like unraveling knots in yourself- it can be painful, but its a big relief later.


I'm scared of that painful, uncertain bit.


Its sort of like throwing up (which can be a big relief when you're sick), but unlike barfing, you get to choose whether you do or not; they won't force you... for me, the relief is worth it. I guess it depends... I'm more integrated and in less emotional pain, so its been worth it for me.


Yeah, I know. I'm just not in significant enough emotional pain at this time in my life to want to submit to something like that. I accept that when I go away from home and have to deal with meeting new people all over again, my fear of people will overcome my fear of psychs and I'll go to someone.

Just not right now.

Sounds reasonable. I just prefer to make my self suffer now rather than later... rofl
I also find people pretty scary... like, doG knows what they're up to. They might want to eat your brain... eek
     
While I do believe there is much scientific evidence proving that DID does indeed exist, much of this evidence's validity is questioned.

I have no doubt that it is indeed a genuine disorder. And honestly, telling someone something they don't wanna hear but nonetheless must be said is just like pulling off a band aid, best to just get it over with.
 
     
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Sweetpea The Tigress


I do have PTSD and DID. I thought that PTSD was a common co-morbid condition with DID...

My others really don't like being considered as only "parts", but I reckon they are. I am too- which is weird. Even though I'm The Front, and am in front most of the time when we aren't stressed, I was made to be the front- y'know, created for that purpose...


It is, but it's more like PTSD is often diagnosed before DID is diagnosed. DID is usually a better explanation for the symptoms and behaviors that were previously attributed to PTSD.

Let me make sure I'm understanding you correctly. Do you mean that you're normally the one in control but you're not the original identity? I hope you don't mind me asking, does your original identity ever front?
     
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Geisterfahrer
Sweetpea The Tigress


I do have PTSD and DID. I thought that PTSD was a common co-morbid condition with DID...

My others really don't like being considered as only "parts", but I reckon they are. I am too- which is weird. Even though I'm The Front, and am in front most of the time when we aren't stressed, I was made to be the front- y'know, created for that purpose...


It is, but it's more like PTSD is often diagnosed before DID is diagnosed. DID is usually a better explanation for the symptoms and behaviors that were previously attributed to PTSD.

Let me make sure I'm understanding you correctly. Do you mean that you're normally the one in control but you're not the original identity? I hope you don't mind me asking, does your original identity ever front?


Hmmm.. with me it was the other way around... DID first.
Yeah, you got me right... the original is- how should I put this- deceased...
 
     
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