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Post: 51616594_32 created on Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:28 pmPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:28 pm
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GMT - 8 Hours Someoneiknow GMT - 8 Hours Someoneiknow Sounds all fine and dandy, but is the research development people going to buy me new furniture when the cat decides to take out some anger on my couch because my family needed a vaca and we couldn't take the cat? But then again you're talking to the guy who used to take a blowgun to stray cats during high school. never said they died, I just said we shot them. Most generally they would just walk around for days afterwards with a dart in their side. They may have died eventually but it would have been a slow death. So I never saw their death anyways. If you think so, but I never experienced anything else that you brought up, and you are not my legal doctor, RNA, CNA, etc., so I'm not going to take your advice. I also do not know you, so I'm definitely not going to take advice from something that is pixelated. But thank you for your concern with something that every boy does which is typically go out and hunt, shoot, fish, whatever else that ends the life of an animal. |
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Post: 51616594_33 created on Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:37 pmPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:37 pm
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GMT - 8 Hours Rainbow Retch There are no emotional effects or changes after declawing, no trauma or the like. If the surgery is done right, the cat is under anesthesia and the whole bone and claw is clean cut off. Of course that cat has to get used to missing claws, but that's only a matter of time, as in any surgical procedure. Also why it's best to do it at a young age, less pain. On other points you made, if the cat runs away for example and may need their claws, I'd advocate for only a front paw declaw. They don't scratch anything with their hind legs, least to my knowledge. eek The benefits of declawing: a cat that doesn't kill the furniture. Even through extensive training, cat owners may struggle to train their cat, and let's face it, some of them are just plain untrainable. Other alternatives, like cutting their nails or putting caps on them, may simply not work. This goes especially for adopted cats that have been traumatized before, they just simply are what they are. My older sister's a vet, so I'm pulling most of this out from her. She doesn't declaw the pets. She owns a small pet clinic, and when someone wants their pets declawed, she sends them to a hospital. She's not evil or the like, she wants whats best for the pets she cares for, and thus doesn't reccomend older ones to be declawed. |
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Post: 51616594_34 created on Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:38 pmPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:38 pm
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Rainbow Retch GMT - 8 Hours Rainbow Retch There are no emotional effects or changes after declawing, no trauma or the like. If the surgery is done right, the cat is under anesthesia and the whole bone and claw is clean cut off. Of course that cat has to get used to missing claws, but that's only a matter of time, as in any surgical procedure. Also why it's best to do it at a young age, less pain. On other points you made, if the cat runs away for example and may need their claws, I'd advocate for only a front paw declaw. They don't scratch anything with their hind legs, least to my knowledge. eek The benefits of declawing: a cat that doesn't kill the furniture. Even through extensive training, cat owners may struggle to train their cat, and let's face it, some of them are just plain untrainable. Other alternatives, like cutting their nails or putting caps on them, may simply not work. This goes especially for adopted cats that have been traumatized before, they just simply are what they are. My older sister's a vet, so I'm pulling most of this out from her. She doesn't declaw the pets. She owns a small pet clinic, and when someone wants their pets declawed, she sends them to a hospital. She's not evil or the like, she wants whats best for the pets she cares for, and thus doesn't reccomend older ones to be declawed. My mother-in-law had a cat who used it's hind claws to scratch the carpet, rare, but they still do it sometimes if their front claws are taken away. |
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Post: 51616594_35 created on Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:40 pmPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:40 pm
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GMT - 8 Hours Someoneiknow Sounds all fine and dandy, but is the research development people going to buy me new furniture when the cat decides to take out some anger on my couch because my family needed a vaca and we couldn't take the cat? But then again you're talking to the guy who used to take a blowgun to stray cats during high school. Oh, come off it! I fed feeder guinea pigs to my python at age 15, am I a serial killer, darling? The 'serial killer trifecta' is deeper than just harming small animals and blah blah blah. stare One must read more than the first page of a psychology text book before one can deem another a serial killer. |
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Anakha the Silver
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Post: 51616594_36 created on Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:45 pmPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:45 pm
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Rainbow Retch GMT - 8 Hours Rainbow Retch There are no emotional effects or changes after declawing, no trauma or the like. If the surgery is done right, the cat is under anesthesia and the whole bone and claw is clean cut off. Of course that cat has to get used to missing claws, but that's only a matter of time, as in any surgical procedure. Also why it's best to do it at a young age, less pain. On other points you made, if the cat runs away for example and may need their claws, I'd advocate for only a front paw declaw. They don't scratch anything with their hind legs, least to my knowledge. eek The benefits of declawing: a cat that doesn't kill the furniture. Even through extensive training, cat owners may struggle to train their cat, and let's face it, some of them are just plain untrainable. Other alternatives, like cutting their nails or putting caps on them, may simply not work. This goes especially for adopted cats that have been traumatized before, they just simply are what they are. My older sister's a vet, so I'm pulling most of this out from her. She doesn't declaw the pets. She owns a small pet clinic, and when someone wants their pets declawed, she sends them to a hospital. She's not evil or the like, she wants whats best for the pets she cares for, and thus doesn't reccomend older ones to be declawed. Or there's something called SoftPaws. And then there's pheromone sprays that will keep cats from clawing certain things. It doesn't just come down to declawing or dealing with torn-up furniture. |
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Post: 51616594_37 created on Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:48 pmPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:48 pm
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Blakaize Anakha the Silver Blakaize You bleeding heart PETA freaks find anything you can to moan about, don't you? talk2hand All 4 of my cats were declawed the moment they were old enough, as small kittens, and none of them suffered the physiological effects described in your cockamamy list. Seriously, with all the real problems in the world, you chose THIS one to take a stand about? neutral Put your effort into stopping world hunger or working on getting vaccines for third world children, not sobbing over the loss of Fluffy's claws. That's essentially what you do. You HAVE to so the claw DOESN'T GROW BACK. And, also, I'd like you to meet my late pet, Shelby. Absolute sweetheart when we got her. She was declawed, and suddenly, she became a total b***h. She'd bite everyone for no reason. Also, I suppose you like leaving Fluffy with nothing but his own teeth to fight with, something he has much less control over compared to claws. But, of COURSE anything dealing with animals HAS to be PETA. Strange, all of my cats CALMED THE HELL DOWN when we got them spayed/neutered and declawed. My cat Rudee [all of 20 years old now] was spayed and declawed AT THE SAME TIME. >:3 Heres an idea: if you don't want your cat getting into fights without his claws KEEP HIM IN THE ******** HOUSE! Indoor cats =/= go outside. Simply do not allow them to venture outside without their carrying case surrounding them. By all means, cut off fingers of your children, I really don't care. Just don't tell me what I can/cannot do with my property i.e. my pets. Pets =/= family members. They are, in a legal sense, the same as a car, purse, laptop, etc etc. Pets aren't property, m'dear, hence why you can bash in your TV without any legal consequence, but you can't bash in the head of your cat of torture it. Also, why do you HAVE to declaw? My local vet offers free claw trimmings. FREE. In an out, five minutes tops. Or there's SoftPaws and various pheromone sprays. But, hey, I guess ANYTHING that's quick and easy compared to taking time out of your precious day is okay. After all, it's ONLY a purse--oops, I mean, cat. |
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Post: 51616594_38 created on Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:48 pmPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:48 pm
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Anakha the Silver Rainbow Retch GMT - 8 Hours Rainbow Retch There are no emotional effects or changes after declawing, no trauma or the like. If the surgery is done right, the cat is under anesthesia and the whole bone and claw is clean cut off. Of course that cat has to get used to missing claws, but that's only a matter of time, as in any surgical procedure. Also why it's best to do it at a young age, less pain. On other points you made, if the cat runs away for example and may need their claws, I'd advocate for only a front paw declaw. They don't scratch anything with their hind legs, least to my knowledge. eek The benefits of declawing: a cat that doesn't kill the furniture. Even through extensive training, cat owners may struggle to train their cat, and let's face it, some of them are just plain untrainable. Other alternatives, like cutting their nails or putting caps on them, may simply not work. This goes especially for adopted cats that have been traumatized before, they just simply are what they are. My older sister's a vet, so I'm pulling most of this out from her. She doesn't declaw the pets. She owns a small pet clinic, and when someone wants their pets declawed, she sends them to a hospital. She's not evil or the like, she wants whats best for the pets she cares for, and thus doesn't reccomend older ones to be declawed. Or there's something called SoftPaws. And then there's pheromone sprays that will keep cats from clawing certain things. It doesn't just come down to declawing or dealing with torn-up furniture. or just declaw, badda bing, badda boom, never have to go to the vet again except for health issues, and you also never have to try and find the 'new thing' out there for you to put on cats feet. Sounds like a deal to me! |
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Post: 51616594_39 created on Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:49 pmPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:49 pm
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Anakha the Silver Blakaize Anakha the Silver Blakaize You bleeding heart PETA freaks find anything you can to moan about, don't you? talk2hand All 4 of my cats were declawed the moment they were old enough, as small kittens, and none of them suffered the physiological effects described in your cockamamy list. Seriously, with all the real problems in the world, you chose THIS one to take a stand about? neutral Put your effort into stopping world hunger or working on getting vaccines for third world children, not sobbing over the loss of Fluffy's claws. That's essentially what you do. You HAVE to so the claw DOESN'T GROW BACK. And, also, I'd like you to meet my late pet, Shelby. Absolute sweetheart when we got her. She was declawed, and suddenly, she became a total b***h. She'd bite everyone for no reason. Also, I suppose you like leaving Fluffy with nothing but his own teeth to fight with, something he has much less control over compared to claws. But, of COURSE anything dealing with animals HAS to be PETA. Strange, all of my cats CALMED THE HELL DOWN when we got them spayed/neutered and declawed. My cat Rudee [all of 20 years old now] was spayed and declawed AT THE SAME TIME. >:3 Heres an idea: if you don't want your cat getting into fights without his claws KEEP HIM IN THE ******** HOUSE! Indoor cats =/= go outside. Simply do not allow them to venture outside without their carrying case surrounding them. By all means, cut off fingers of your children, I really don't care. Just don't tell me what I can/cannot do with my property i.e. my pets. Pets =/= family members. They are, in a legal sense, the same as a car, purse, laptop, etc etc. Pets aren't property, m'dear, hence why you can bash in your TV without any legal consequence, but you can't bash in the head of your cat of torture it. Also, why do you HAVE to declaw? My local vet offers free claw trimmings. FREE. In an out, five minutes tops. Or there's SoftPaws and various pheromone sprays. But, hey, I guess ANYTHING that's quick and easy compared to taking time out of your precious day is okay. After all, it's ONLY a purse--oops, I mean, cat. really? I have never seen CSI: cats before. |
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Post: 51616594_40 created on Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:51 pmPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:51 pm
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Kuragari1 PhD Anakha the Silver Rainbow Retch There are no emotional effects or changes after declawing, no trauma or the like. If the surgery is done right, the cat is under anesthesia and the whole bone and claw is clean cut off. Of course that cat has to get used to missing claws, but that's only a matter of time, as in any surgical procedure. Also why it's best to do it at a young age, less pain. On other points you made, if the cat runs away for example and may need their claws, I'd advocate for only a front paw declaw. They don't scratch anything with their hind legs, least to my knowledge. eek The benefits of declawing: a cat that doesn't kill the furniture. Even through extensive training, cat owners may struggle to train their cat, and let's face it, some of them are just plain untrainable. Other alternatives, like cutting their nails or putting caps on them, may simply not work. This goes especially for adopted cats that have been traumatized before, they just simply are what they are. My older sister's a vet, so I'm pulling most of this out from her. Again, I'd like you to meet my late cat, Shelby. She was a sweetheart UNTIL we got her declawed. The procedure went perfect. She still came home a total ******** b***h. Not all cats are the same. Just because your cat came home a total ******** b***h, doesn't mean they all will simply because you or anyone else doesn't agree with declawing. My cat had her claws removed young; granted, she was a present and I had no say in the matter, but even if I did I wouldn't have objected. And know what else? She's fine. No psychological problems, no grooming problems, etc. Furthermore, no one needs to get an OUTSIDE cat declawed. If he or she is an INSIDE cat, then s/he shouldn't be outside trying to defend itself anyway. =| It should be in your cozy home acting like a house cat, especially if you got/raised them from a kitten. That's called keeping an eye on your pet. And both those times he's gotten out, he hasn't come home until 4 AM the next morning, and he's black so he tends to be able to hide pretty damn good. Thank Deity he's not declawed, eh? My main problem is people act like it comes down to torn furniture and declawing. There are alternatives. Training (it CAN be done, you just need some patience and to not expect instant results), SoftPaws, pheromone sprays... Hell, my vet offers FREE trimmings for cats to DETER declawing. Why Because they CAN get out. |
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Post: 51616594_41 created on Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:53 pmPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:53 pm
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Someoneiknow Anakha the Silver Rainbow Retch GMT - 8 Hours Rainbow Retch There are no emotional effects or changes after declawing, no trauma or the like. If the surgery is done right, the cat is under anesthesia and the whole bone and claw is clean cut off. Of course that cat has to get used to missing claws, but that's only a matter of time, as in any surgical procedure. Also why it's best to do it at a young age, less pain. On other points you made, if the cat runs away for example and may need their claws, I'd advocate for only a front paw declaw. They don't scratch anything with their hind legs, least to my knowledge. eek The benefits of declawing: a cat that doesn't kill the furniture. Even through extensive training, cat owners may struggle to train their cat, and let's face it, some of them are just plain untrainable. Other alternatives, like cutting their nails or putting caps on them, may simply not work. This goes especially for adopted cats that have been traumatized before, they just simply are what they are. My older sister's a vet, so I'm pulling most of this out from her. She doesn't declaw the pets. She owns a small pet clinic, and when someone wants their pets declawed, she sends them to a hospital. She's not evil or the like, she wants whats best for the pets she cares for, and thus doesn't reccomend older ones to be declawed. Or there's something called SoftPaws. And then there's pheromone sprays that will keep cats from clawing certain things. It doesn't just come down to declawing or dealing with torn-up furniture. or just declaw, badda bing, badda boom, never have to go to the vet again except for health issues, and you also never have to try and find the 'new thing' out there for you to put on cats feet. Sounds like a deal to me! Then get a ******** hamster. You feed it. You water it. You change the stuff in its cage. That's it. A cat requires care, no matter what. But, hey, I guess that sofa's worth more than a faithful companion, hm? Or, can I snip off my kids' fingers now without legal consequence? |
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Post: 51616594_42 created on Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:55 pmPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:55 pm
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Someoneiknow Anakha the Silver Blakaize Anakha the Silver Blakaize You bleeding heart PETA freaks find anything you can to moan about, don't you? talk2hand All 4 of my cats were declawed the moment they were old enough, as small kittens, and none of them suffered the physiological effects described in your cockamamy list. Seriously, with all the real problems in the world, you chose THIS one to take a stand about? neutral Put your effort into stopping world hunger or working on getting vaccines for third world children, not sobbing over the loss of Fluffy's claws. That's essentially what you do. You HAVE to so the claw DOESN'T GROW BACK. And, also, I'd like you to meet my late pet, Shelby. Absolute sweetheart when we got her. She was declawed, and suddenly, she became a total b***h. She'd bite everyone for no reason. Also, I suppose you like leaving Fluffy with nothing but his own teeth to fight with, something he has much less control over compared to claws. But, of COURSE anything dealing with animals HAS to be PETA. Strange, all of my cats CALMED THE HELL DOWN when we got them spayed/neutered and declawed. My cat Rudee [all of 20 years old now] was spayed and declawed AT THE SAME TIME. >:3 Heres an idea: if you don't want your cat getting into fights without his claws KEEP HIM IN THE ******** HOUSE! Indoor cats =/= go outside. Simply do not allow them to venture outside without their carrying case surrounding them. By all means, cut off fingers of your children, I really don't care. Just don't tell me what I can/cannot do with my property i.e. my pets. Pets =/= family members. They are, in a legal sense, the same as a car, purse, laptop, etc etc. Pets aren't property, m'dear, hence why you can bash in your TV without any legal consequence, but you can't bash in the head of your cat of torture it. Also, why do you HAVE to declaw? My local vet offers free claw trimmings. FREE. In an out, five minutes tops. Or there's SoftPaws and various pheromone sprays. But, hey, I guess ANYTHING that's quick and easy compared to taking time out of your precious day is okay. After all, it's ONLY a purse--oops, I mean, cat. really? I have never seen CSI: cats before. Bash an animal's head in, even if you own it? BOOM. Permanent record. Bash a TV you own in? People will stare at you, maybe wonder WHY, but there's no legal consequence. |
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Post: 51616594_43 created on Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:56 pmPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:56 pm
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Anakha the Silver Someoneiknow Anakha the Silver Rainbow Retch GMT - 8 Hours Rainbow Retch There are no emotional effects or changes after declawing, no trauma or the like. If the surgery is done right, the cat is under anesthesia and the whole bone and claw is clean cut off. Of course that cat has to get used to missing claws, but that's only a matter of time, as in any surgical procedure. Also why it's best to do it at a young age, less pain. On other points you made, if the cat runs away for example and may need their claws, I'd advocate for only a front paw declaw. They don't scratch anything with their hind legs, least to my knowledge. eek The benefits of declawing: a cat that doesn't kill the furniture. Even through extensive training, cat owners may struggle to train their cat, and let's face it, some of them are just plain untrainable. Other alternatives, like cutting their nails or putting caps on them, may simply not work. This goes especially for adopted cats that have been traumatized before, they just simply are what they are. My older sister's a vet, so I'm pulling most of this out from her. She doesn't declaw the pets. She owns a small pet clinic, and when someone wants their pets declawed, she sends them to a hospital. She's not evil or the like, she wants whats best for the pets she cares for, and thus doesn't reccomend older ones to be declawed. Or there's something called SoftPaws. And then there's pheromone sprays that will keep cats from clawing certain things. It doesn't just come down to declawing or dealing with torn-up furniture. or just declaw, badda bing, badda boom, never have to go to the vet again except for health issues, and you also never have to try and find the 'new thing' out there for you to put on cats feet. Sounds like a deal to me! Then get a ******** hamster. You feed it. You water it. You change the stuff in its cage. That's it. A cat requires care, no matter what. But, hey, I guess that sofa's worth more than a faithful companion, hm? Or, can I snip off my kids' fingers now without legal consequence? yeah, I like the quick fix, and no I don't want a hamster. cat =/= kid. So stop using that argument. They are two different things. I can get rid of a cat if it does something I do not like. I will not give up on my kid for any reason. I love my kid unconditionally, I love the cat as far as it won't destroy my house. |
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Post: 51616594_44 created on Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:59 pmPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:59 pm
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Someoneiknow Anakha the Silver Someoneiknow Anakha the Silver Rainbow Retch She doesn't declaw the pets. She owns a small pet clinic, and when someone wants their pets declawed, she sends them to a hospital. She's not evil or the like, she wants whats best for the pets she cares for, and thus doesn't reccomend older ones to be declawed. Or there's something called SoftPaws. And then there's pheromone sprays that will keep cats from clawing certain things. It doesn't just come down to declawing or dealing with torn-up furniture. or just declaw, badda bing, badda boom, never have to go to the vet again except for health issues, and you also never have to try and find the 'new thing' out there for you to put on cats feet. Sounds like a deal to me! Then get a ******** hamster. You feed it. You water it. You change the stuff in its cage. That's it. A cat requires care, no matter what. But, hey, I guess that sofa's worth more than a faithful companion, hm? Or, can I snip off my kids' fingers now without legal consequence? yeah, I like the quick fix, and no I don't want a hamster. cat =/= kid. So stop using that argument. They are two different things. I can get rid of a cat if it does something I do not like. I will not give up on my kid for any reason. I love my kid unconditionally, I love the cat as far as it won't destroy my house. DON'T GET A ******** CAT. And I compare them because they are fairly similar. A full-grown cat has been shown to have the mental capacity of a three-year-old. Therefore, they CAN be comparable. Your three-year-old won't like it if the house is more important, and will therefore be taken away. Why shouldn't the cat be the same? |
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Post: 51616594_45 created on Fri Jul 03, 2009 5:02 pmPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 5:02 pm
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Anakha the Silver Blakaize Anakha the Silver Blakaize You bleeding heart PETA freaks find anything you can to moan about, don't you? talk2hand All 4 of my cats were declawed the moment they were old enough, as small kittens, and none of them suffered the physiological effects described in your cockamamy list. Seriously, with all the real problems in the world, you chose THIS one to take a stand about? neutral Put your effort into stopping world hunger or working on getting vaccines for third world children, not sobbing over the loss of Fluffy's claws. That's essentially what you do. You HAVE to so the claw DOESN'T GROW BACK. And, also, I'd like you to meet my late pet, Shelby. Absolute sweetheart when we got her. She was declawed, and suddenly, she became a total b***h. She'd bite everyone for no reason. Also, I suppose you like leaving Fluffy with nothing but his own teeth to fight with, something he has much less control over compared to claws. But, of COURSE anything dealing with animals HAS to be PETA. Strange, all of my cats CALMED THE HELL DOWN when we got them spayed/neutered and declawed. My cat Rudee [all of 20 years old now] was spayed and declawed AT THE SAME TIME. >:3 Heres an idea: if you don't want your cat getting into fights without his claws KEEP HIM IN THE ******** HOUSE! Indoor cats =/= go outside. Simply do not allow them to venture outside without their carrying case surrounding them. By all means, cut off fingers of your children, I really don't care. Just don't tell me what I can/cannot do with my property i.e. my pets. Pets =/= family members. They are, in a legal sense, the same as a car, purse, laptop, etc etc. Pets aren't property, m'dear, hence why you can bash in your TV without any legal consequence, but you can't bash in the head of your cat of torture it. Also, why do you HAVE to declaw? My local vet offers free claw trimmings. FREE. In an out, five minutes tops. Or there's SoftPaws and various pheromone sprays. But, hey, I guess ANYTHING that's quick and easy compared to taking time out of your precious day is okay. After all, it's ONLY a purse--oops, I mean, cat. True, but if someone ran over your dog, they could pay for vet bills, but not 'pain and suffering' that so many pet-nutsies ask for. If you were stupid enough to allow your dog to get run over, then why should someone have to pay you because you feel bad? What's done is done, I'm afraid. Four cats, all in their 20s, all doing just fine as INDOOR HEALTHY DECLAWED felines. And as far as I'm concerned, yes, children are glorified pets. But this isn't about snot-nosed brats, this is about declawing an animal that people OWN and people graciously allow to live in their house. We used to have 5 cats, but one sprayed and clawed at everything so we sent it to the pound. |
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