Declawing Cats-why humans can be monsters

[ClockworkCat9]

Knight-Krait

ClockworkCat9

Knight-Krait

Claws do not = Fingers.

Nails at best.

I don't see the issue, although my cat still has her claws.

*sigh* Did you read the link? Or look at the pics? Or at least google cat claw anatomy? Don't argue with a Biology student unless you've got your facts straight razz

I don't mean to be rude, but ignoring information then arguing against it with no evidence *really* annoys me burning_eyes I demand evidence. Now. Gimme.

I don't need to demand evidence. It's been done for a while with cats. People snip p***s skin. I bet if we (for whatever reason) did that too an animal as opposed to human, someone would also complain.

Cats are not easily trained, and are not always bought at a young age. Cats love to claw on things through instinct, it won't stop it from scratching the rug and the like.

No I didn't look at your link, since I think the argument is silly.

Well, then I'm not going to bother arguing with you, as you're keeping yourself ignorant of information on purpose, like that will somehow make it non-existant. stressed

As for 'snipping p***s skins', there was a debate on here about two weeks ago which told me a lot I didn't know, much of it was quite shocking. I suppose you wouldn't be interested, though. Oh, well. rolleyes

[Knight-Krait]

ClockworkCat9

Knight-Krait

ClockworkCat9

Knight-Krait

Claws do not = Fingers.

Nails at best.

I don't see the issue, although my cat still has her claws.

*sigh* Did you read the link? Or look at the pics? Or at least google cat claw anatomy? Don't argue with a Biology student unless you've got your facts straight razz

I don't mean to be rude, but ignoring information then arguing against it with no evidence *really* annoys me burning_eyes I demand evidence. Now. Gimme.

I don't need to demand evidence. It's been done for a while with cats. People snip p***s skin. I bet if we (for whatever reason) did that too an animal as opposed to human, someone would also complain.

Cats are not easily trained, and are not always bought at a young age. Cats love to claw on things through instinct, it won't stop it from scratching the rug and the like.

No I didn't look at your link, since I think the argument is silly.

Well, then I'm not going to bother arguing with you, as you're keeping yourself ignorant of information on purpose, like that will somehow make it non-existant. stressed

As for 'snipping p***s skins', there was a debate on here about two weeks ago which told me a lot I didn't know, much of it was quite shocking. I suppose you wouldn't be interested, though. Oh, well. rolleyes

No I wouldn't. Doesn't change the fact that claws will be snipped snipped from this day fourth.

Off to drink coffee now and actually wake up. Thanks for the time killer.

[ClockworkCat9]

Cuban

People involving themselves in an animal's life is intrusive. Ppl trust they're well informed yet they cannot even appropriately raise children- their own species.

Unfortunately we seem to have created a world that isn't particularly good for humans or animals sad One thing I can't stand about society today is the prevailing attitude of 'I don't need to know' that makes people ignore information that, perhaps, they *do* need to know. Raising children, as you say, is a serious issue, and there are many misinformed, neglectful and abusive parents out there. There are many good parents too, but sometimes even good parents don't know what to do.

Reading up on stuff isn't bad, or a waste of time. The information won't take up valuable space in your brain, push anything else out, and well it might even *help* you if a related situation arises. Surely you would want to know if certain methods of parenting could scar your child for life? Or if they have a physical illness or mental health issue, would that be ignored too? In many cases this does happen sad

[Iron_Lynx]

If cats could be trained, then there would be NO argument for declawing. And my brand new, very expensive front door wouldn't be utterly destroyed.

[ClockworkCat9]

Iron_Lynx

If cats could be trained, then there would be NO argument for declawing. And my brand new, very expensive front door wouldn't be utterly destroyed.

It destroyed your front door?! Never heard of that one neutral Try the squirtgun technique, and make sure it's very cold water. This normally develops a pavlovian response, animals should usually be easier to train than children.

Also try not to let it see you do the squirting, this way it will associate the unpleasantness with scratching the door, but not necessarily with you smile

[Rainbow Retch]

There are no emotional effects or changes after declawing, no trauma or the like. If the surgery is done right, the cat is under anesthesia and the whole bone and claw is clean cut off. Of course that cat has to get used to missing claws, but that's only a matter of time, as in any surgical procedure. Also why it's best to do it at a young age, less pain.

On other points you made, if the cat runs away for example and may need their claws, I'd advocate for only a front paw declaw. They don't scratch anything with their hind legs, least to my knowledge. eek

The benefits of declawing: a cat that doesn't kill the furniture. Even through extensive training, cat owners may struggle to train their cat, and let's face it, some of them are just plain untrainable. Other alternatives, like cutting their nails or putting caps on them, may simply not work. This goes especially for adopted cats that have been traumatized before, they just simply are what they are.

My older sister's a vet, so I'm pulling most of this out from her.

[Blakaize]

You bleeding heart PETA freaks find anything you can to moan about, don't you?
talk2hand
All 4 of my cats were declawed the moment they were old enough, as small kittens, and none of them suffered the physiological effects described in your cockamamy list.
Seriously, with all the real problems in the world, you chose THIS one to take a stand about?
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Put your effort into stopping world hunger or working on getting vaccines for third world children, not sobbing over the loss of Fluffy's claws.

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Rainbow Retch

There are no emotional effects or changes after declawing, no trauma or the like. If the surgery is done right, the cat is under anesthesia and the whole bone and claw is clean cut off. Of course that cat has to get used to missing claws, but that's only a matter of time, as in any surgical procedure. Also why it's best to do it at a young age, less pain.

On other points you made, if the cat runs away for example and may need their claws, I'd advocate for only a front paw declaw. They don't scratch anything with their hind legs, least to my knowledge. eek

The benefits of declawing: a cat that doesn't kill the furniture. Even through extensive training, cat owners may struggle to train their cat, and let's face it, some of them are just plain untrainable. Other alternatives, like cutting their nails or putting caps on them, may simply not work. This goes especially for adopted cats that have been traumatized before, they just simply are what they are.

My older sister's a vet, so I'm pulling most of this out from her.

Not to be horribly rude, but your sister also makes money by declawing people's pets.

[Anakha the Silver]

Blakaize

You bleeding heart PETA freaks find anything you can to moan about, don't you?
talk2hand
All 4 of my cats were declawed the moment they were old enough, as small kittens, and none of them suffered the physiological effects described in your cockamamy list.
Seriously, with all the real problems in the world, you chose THIS one to take a stand about?
neutral
Put your effort into stopping world hunger or working on getting vaccines for third world children, not sobbing over the loss of Fluffy's claws.

All right. May I cut off the fingers of my child at the first knuckle, then, since it's not as important as the vaccines?

That's essentially what you do. You HAVE to so the claw DOESN'T GROW BACK.

And, also, I'd like you to meet my late pet, Shelby. Absolute sweetheart when we got her.

She was declawed, and suddenly, she became a total b***h. She'd bite everyone for no reason.

Also, I suppose you like leaving Fluffy with nothing but his own teeth to fight with, something he has much less control over compared to claws.

But, of COURSE anything dealing with animals HAS to be PETA.

[Anakha the Silver]

Rainbow Retch

There are no emotional effects or changes after declawing, no trauma or the like. If the surgery is done right, the cat is under anesthesia and the whole bone and claw is clean cut off. Of course that cat has to get used to missing claws, but that's only a matter of time, as in any surgical procedure. Also why it's best to do it at a young age, less pain.

On other points you made, if the cat runs away for example and may need their claws, I'd advocate for only a front paw declaw. They don't scratch anything with their hind legs, least to my knowledge. eek

The benefits of declawing: a cat that doesn't kill the furniture. Even through extensive training, cat owners may struggle to train their cat, and let's face it, some of them are just plain untrainable. Other alternatives, like cutting their nails or putting caps on them, may simply not work. This goes especially for adopted cats that have been traumatized before, they just simply are what they are.

My older sister's a vet, so I'm pulling most of this out from her.

In other words, she has something to lose.

Again, I'd like you to meet my late cat, Shelby. She was a sweetheart UNTIL we got her declawed. The procedure went perfect.

She still came home a total ******** b***h.

[Kuragari1 PhD]

Anakha the Silver

Rainbow Retch

There are no emotional effects or changes after declawing, no trauma or the like. If the surgery is done right, the cat is under anesthesia and the whole bone and claw is clean cut off. Of course that cat has to get used to missing claws, but that's only a matter of time, as in any surgical procedure. Also why it's best to do it at a young age, less pain.

On other points you made, if the cat runs away for example and may need their claws, I'd advocate for only a front paw declaw. They don't scratch anything with their hind legs, least to my knowledge. eek

The benefits of declawing: a cat that doesn't kill the furniture. Even through extensive training, cat owners may struggle to train their cat, and let's face it, some of them are just plain untrainable. Other alternatives, like cutting their nails or putting caps on them, may simply not work. This goes especially for adopted cats that have been traumatized before, they just simply are what they are.

My older sister's a vet, so I'm pulling most of this out from her.

In other words, she has something to lose.

Again, I'd like you to meet my late cat, Shelby. She was a sweetheart UNTIL we got her declawed. The procedure went perfect.

She still came home a total ******** b***h.

Not all cats are the same. Just because your cat came home a total ******** b***h, doesn't mean they all will simply because you or anyone else doesn't agree with declawing. My cat had her claws removed young; granted, she was a present and I had no say in the matter, but even if I did I wouldn't have objected. And know what else? She's fine. No psychological problems, no grooming problems, etc. Furthermore, no one needs to get an OUTSIDE cat declawed. If he or she is an INSIDE cat, then s/he shouldn't be outside trying to defend itself anyway. =| It should be in your cozy home acting like a house cat, especially if you got/raised them from a kitten. That's called keeping an eye on your pet.

[Someoneiknow]

Sounds all fine and dandy, but is the research development people going to buy me new furniture when the cat decides to take out some anger on my couch because my family needed a vaca and we couldn't take the cat? But then again you're talking to the guy who used to take a blowgun to stray cats during high school.

[Blakaize]

Anakha the Silver

Blakaize

You bleeding heart PETA freaks find anything you can to moan about, don't you?
talk2hand
All 4 of my cats were declawed the moment they were old enough, as small kittens, and none of them suffered the physiological effects described in your cockamamy list.
Seriously, with all the real problems in the world, you chose THIS one to take a stand about?
neutral
Put your effort into stopping world hunger or working on getting vaccines for third world children, not sobbing over the loss of Fluffy's claws.

All right. May I cut off the fingers of my child at the first knuckle, then, since it's not as important as the vaccines?

That's essentially what you do. You HAVE to so the claw DOESN'T GROW BACK.

And, also, I'd like you to meet my late pet, Shelby. Absolute sweetheart when we got her.

She was declawed, and suddenly, she became a total b***h. She'd bite everyone for no reason.

Also, I suppose you like leaving Fluffy with nothing but his own teeth to fight with, something he has much less control over compared to claws.

But, of COURSE anything dealing with animals HAS to be PETA.

Strange, all of my cats CALMED THE HELL DOWN when we got them spayed/neutered and declawed.
My cat Rudee [all of 20 years old now] was spayed and declawed AT THE SAME TIME.
>:3
Heres an idea: if you don't want your cat getting into fights without his claws KEEP HIM IN THE ******** HOUSE!
Indoor cats =/= go outside. Simply do not allow them to venture outside without their carrying case surrounding them.
By all means, cut off fingers of your children, I really don't care. Just don't tell me what I can/cannot do with my property i.e. my pets.
Pets =/= family members. They are, in a legal sense, the same as a car, purse, laptop, etc etc.

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Someoneiknow

Sounds all fine and dandy, but is the research development people going to buy me new furniture when the cat decides to take out some anger on my couch because my family needed a vaca and we couldn't take the cat? But then again you're talking to the guy who used to take a blowgun to stray cats during high school.

Killing small animals during one's youth is also part of the serial killer trifecta, which also includes bedwetting and pyromania. You might want to visit a doctor.

[Someoneiknow]

GMT - 8 Hours

Someoneiknow

Sounds all fine and dandy, but is the research development people going to buy me new furniture when the cat decides to take out some anger on my couch because my family needed a vaca and we couldn't take the cat? But then again you're talking to the guy who used to take a blowgun to stray cats during high school.

Killing small animals during one's youth is also part of the serial killer trifecta, which also includes bedwetting and pyromania. You might want to visit a doctor.

never said they died, I just said we shot them. Most generally they would just walk around for days afterwards with a dart in their side. They may have died eventually but it would have been a slow death. So I never saw their death anyways.