Cyberbullying: Why don't they just turn off their stuff?

[DynaSuarez Wrecks]

You're naive to think that cyberbullying is just cyberbullying. Most really bad cases of cyberbullying, the ones that culminate in suicide, begin in person, then go online when punk kids decide that they aren't satisfied picking on someone for just 30 hours a week at school, so they expand their mistreatment to 24/7 operations via social media. Most of the time, it's not some random stranger at all who is publishing a victim's personal information, and it's really hard to use a block list when your primary tormentors live down the street. It's rare, but there are instances of some joe from Anytown, USA, managing to recruit the entire internet to pick on some kid that none of them even know, and somewhere on the internet, there is at least one jackass with the mentality and technical know-how to find the victim's personal information. If you find it hard to believe that someone could actually have the epic level of neckbeard-shitbaggery necessary to be motivated to take harassment from the internet to a physical level, just consider Justin Bieber: dude's had s**t talked about him on the internet for years, and there are actually people who have spent money on a concert ticket just so they could physically assault the guy.

[Chahklet]

Because maybe not everyone is the same. Teenagers aren't adults.

[Riviera de la Mancha]

Texadar

Riviera de la Mancha

This sort of result is not only perverse, but its also completely out of step with how adults actually deal with the situation. If I as an adult do the same thing to a co-worker, the co-worker is not told to turn off their phone or basically not use social media. I am called into the office and told to stop my behavior or find a new place to work. I can also face a civil suit as well, depending on the severity of the harm. The employer also could face exposure. Yet we ask high school kids, who are supposed to be more immature and unable to deal than adults, to do what we don't expect of adults.

Because you can't go on and tell your parents your employer is being a c**k.

So then your Mother (who thinks the sun shines out of your arse)goes to your workplace next-day and kicks up a shitstorm so your employer just drops it so they can get rid of her.

As an adult, of course you don't go to your parents. You go to the employer if the employee is not stopping their bullying. If they do nothing, then you go to the appropriate state board or agency and then they solve the problem. You also go to the courts in a civil suit as well, depending on the situation.

Did you have an actual point or something to make? It looks like you didn't read anything I posted.

[Texadar]

Riviera de la Mancha

Texadar

Riviera de la Mancha

This sort of result is not only perverse, but its also completely out of step with how adults actually deal with the situation. If I as an adult do the same thing to a co-worker, the co-worker is not told to turn off their phone or basically not use social media. I am called into the office and told to stop my behavior or find a new place to work. I can also face a civil suit as well, depending on the severity of the harm. The employer also could face exposure. Yet we ask high school kids, who are supposed to be more immature and unable to deal than adults, to do what we don't expect of adults.

Because you can't go on and tell your parents your employer is being a c**k.

So then your Mother (who thinks the sun shines out of your arse)goes to your workplace next-day and kicks up a shitstorm so your employer just drops it so they can get rid of her.

As an adult, of course you don't go to your parents. You go to the employer if the employee is not stopping their bullying. If they do nothing, then you go to the appropriate state board or agency and then they solve the problem. You also go to the courts in a civil suit as well, depending on the situation.

Did you have an actual point or something to make? It looks like you didn't read anything I posted.

The reason why it works in the workplace is because the employer has the power act on the threats it's makes

In school they don't have the power to do so.

[Meung If Elba]

I don't have an opinion on bullying beyond 'man the ******** up'.

I just felt obliged to say Postal (postcodes). Not zip code.

[Riviera de la Mancha]

Texadar

Riviera de la Mancha

Texadar

Riviera de la Mancha

This sort of result is not only perverse, but its also completely out of step with how adults actually deal with the situation. If I as an adult do the same thing to a co-worker, the co-worker is not told to turn off their phone or basically not use social media. I am called into the office and told to stop my behavior or find a new place to work. I can also face a civil suit as well, depending on the severity of the harm. The employer also could face exposure. Yet we ask high school kids, who are supposed to be more immature and unable to deal than adults, to do what we don't expect of adults.

Because you can't go on and tell your parents your employer is being a c**k.

So then your Mother (who thinks the sun shines out of your arse)goes to your workplace next-day and kicks up a shitstorm so your employer just drops it so they can get rid of her.

As an adult, of course you don't go to your parents. You go to the employer if the employee is not stopping their bullying. If they do nothing, then you go to the appropriate state board or agency and then they solve the problem. You also go to the courts in a civil suit as well, depending on the situation.

Did you have an actual point or something to make? It looks like you didn't read anything I posted.

The reason why it works in the workplace is because the employer has the power act on the threats it's makes

In school they don't have the power to do so.

A school has every power to give a detention and compel the child to stay after school, perform physical tasks, suspend, or even expel if needed.

I am still not sure how your comments relate to the topic.

[black_wing_angel]

DynaSuarez Wrecks

You're naive to think that cyberbullying is just cyberbullying. Most really bad cases of cyberbullying, the ones that culminate in suicide, begin in person, then go online when punk kids decide that they aren't satisfied picking on someone for just 30 hours a week at school, so they expand their mistreatment to 24/7 operations via social media. Most of the time, it's not some random stranger at all who is publishing a victim's personal information, and it's really hard to use a block list when your primary tormentors live down the street. It's rare, but there are instances of some joe from Anytown, USA, managing to recruit the entire internet to pick on some kid that none of them even know, and somewhere on the internet, there is at least one jackass with the mentality and technical know-how to find the victim's personal information. If you find it hard to believe that someone could actually have the epic level of neckbeard-shitbaggery necessary to be motivated to take harassment from the internet to a physical level, just consider Justin Bieber: dude's had s**t talked about him on the internet for years, and there are actually people who have spent money on a concert ticket just so they could physically assault the guy.

To be fair, given his personality, I can't exactly fault someone for wanting the opportunity to beat some human dignity into the asshat.

[Heimdalr]

Turning off your devices often does not work at all. The point of cyberbullying is not telling you you are a failure, but having other people believe that you are. Not being there to defend yourself is not a deterrent at all. Only age will stop these bullies, and for some, not even there. You need to counterattack in the most poisonous way you have come to know, and the attacks may subside eventually.

[sitting cow]

you don't even have to be told to your face/yourself/in your email box/etc for it to be bullying. see: slander

and i think you answer your own question halfway down the post anyways: "Don't let it bother you. Result: You go insane from holding in your boiling rage and kill someone."

i have no solutions though. life is just what it is. bullying and arguing hurts. but i don't think there is any way to avoid disagreements/pain/etc completely in this world.

[sitting cow]

Heimdalr

Turning off your devices often does not work at all. The point of cyberbullying is not telling you you are a failure, but having other people believe that you are. Not being there to defend yourself is not a deterrent at all. Only age will stop these bullies, and for some, not even there. You need to counterattack in the most poisonous way you have come to know, and the attacks may subside eventually.

i'm too lazy for that lol. i've never really been bullied much though. when i first started going online things bothered me more than now.

hmmm i'm trying to think of times when you could say i've been cyberbullied.

i've just been "bullied", if you want to call it that, in really small ways.

one time i had my face cropped in a porn image on this forum i used to visit. i just had a moderator delete it. i got kinda angry at first but then i thought it was funny.

hardly anyone even saw it/noticed it anyways.

and one time on tumblr i was trying to have a mature discussion about vaccines and got a whole bunch of people angry at me on there. lol...but it wasn't that many people.

man actually i'm still annoyed thinking about that. this girl supposedly just graduated in biology or something and was trying to run a "science" blog but was going about it in a really immature way. i wonder if she was even a real person. i guess so. i just still get surprised when adults/especially adults who have ~graduated~ act like kids in a disagreement.

but anyways i used to avoid conversations on my blog but i would post my thoughts at the end of a lot of posts i reblogged. then what i wrote turned into this argument. and i was trying to remain calm the entire time; then she wrote this fake message in her ask box and turned it on anonymous to make it seem like i was leaving her hate mail and of course her fanbase/followers all reblogged that with sympathies/etc. and i just said, fine agree to disagree for now or something.

i didn't even care to try and argue with her/them anymore though. but i have thought about sometimes creating accounts on various sites using others' pictures and names and pretending to be them. not necessarily in an evil way but in a joking way but it would probably annoy them a little bit. twisted

but i've never done that out of laziness and it's probably better just to ignore those people. after awhile i have forgotten about some toxic people altogether for the most part.

okay i'm rambling. why am i even writing all this? i must be bored.

[Heimdalr]

sitting cow

Heimdalr

Turning off your devices often does not work at all. The point of cyberbullying is not telling you you are a failure, but having other people believe that you are. Not being there to defend yourself is not a deterrent at all. Only age will stop these bullies, and for some, not even there. You need to counterattack in the most poisonous way you have come to know, and the attacks may subside eventually.

i'm too lazy for that lol. i've never really been bullied much though. when i first started going online things bothered me more than now.

hmmm i'm trying to think of times when you could say i've been cyberbullied.

i've just been "bullied", if you want to call it that, in really small ways.

one time i had my face cropped in a porn image on this forum i used to visit. i just had a moderator delete it. i got kinda angry at first but then i thought it was funny.

hardly anyone even saw it/noticed it anyways.

and one time on tumblr i was trying to have a mature discussion about vaccines and got a whole bunch of people angry at me on there. lol...but it wasn't that many people.

man actually i'm still annoyed thinking about that. this girl supposedly just graduated in biology or something and was trying to run a "science" blog but was going about it in a really immature way. i wonder if she was even a real person. i guess so. i just still get surprised when adults/especially adults who have ~graduated~ act like kids in a disagreement.

but anyways i used to avoid conversations on my blog but i would post my thoughts at the end of a lot of posts i reblogged. then what i wrote turned into this argument. and i was trying to remain calm the entire time; then she wrote this fake message in her ask box and turned it on anonymous to make it seem like i was leaving her hate mail and of course her fanbase/followers all reblogged that with sympathies/etc. and i just said, fine agree to disagree for now or something.

i didn't even care to try and argue with her/them anymore though. but i have thought about sometimes creating accounts on various sites using others' pictures and names and pretending to be them. not necessarily in an evil way but in a joking way but it would probably annoy them a little bit. twisted

but i've never done that out of laziness and it's probably better just to ignore those people. after awhile i have forgotten about some toxic people altogether for the most part.

okay i'm rambling. why am i even writing all this? i must be bored.

Bullying is never about you, it is about the bully that needs a target in order to assert their dominance. I squared it with my bullies, as well as the ones I bullied, by the age of thirty. Not that either were a large group of people, mind. You should just be the mature one, if you cannot retaliate in a credible way.

[sitting cow]

Heimdalr

sitting cow

Heimdalr

Turning off your devices often does not work at all. The point of cyberbullying is not telling you you are a failure, but having other people believe that you are. Not being there to defend yourself is not a deterrent at all. Only age will stop these bullies, and for some, not even there. You need to counterattack in the most poisonous way you have come to know, and the attacks may subside eventually.

i'm too lazy for that lol. i've never really been bullied much though. when i first started going online things bothered me more than now.

hmmm i'm trying to think of times when you could say i've been cyberbullied.

i've just been "bullied", if you want to call it that, in really small ways.

one time i had my face cropped in a porn image on this forum i used to visit. i just had a moderator delete it. i got kinda angry at first but then i thought it was funny.

hardly anyone even saw it/noticed it anyways.

and one time on tumblr i was trying to have a mature discussion about vaccines and got a whole bunch of people angry at me on there. lol...but it wasn't that many people.

man actually i'm still annoyed thinking about that. this girl supposedly just graduated in biology or something and was trying to run a "science" blog but was going about it in a really immature way. i wonder if she was even a real person. i guess so. i just still get surprised when adults/especially adults who have ~graduated~ act like kids in a disagreement.

but anyways i used to avoid conversations on my blog but i would post my thoughts at the end of a lot of posts i reblogged. then what i wrote turned into this argument. and i was trying to remain calm the entire time; then she wrote this fake message in her ask box and turned it on anonymous to make it seem like i was leaving her hate mail and of course her fanbase/followers all reblogged that with sympathies/etc. and i just said, fine agree to disagree for now or something.

i didn't even care to try and argue with her/them anymore though. but i have thought about sometimes creating accounts on various sites using others' pictures and names and pretending to be them. not necessarily in an evil way but in a joking way but it would probably annoy them a little bit. twisted

but i've never done that out of laziness and it's probably better just to ignore those people. after awhile i have forgotten about some toxic people altogether for the most part.

okay i'm rambling. why am i even writing all this? i must be bored.

Bullying is never about you, it is about the bully that needs a target in order to assert their dominance. I squared it with my bullies, as well as the ones I bullied, by the age of thirty. Not that either were a large group of people, mind. You should just be the mature one, if you cannot retaliate in a credible way.

how do you know who is the bully? people probably say i'm a bully for just disagreeing and being skeptical of how reliable vaccines are for example, even tho i try to do it politely. and i can understand how they feel a bit, but they feel they have a right to harass anyone who is even a bit skeptical, in the most childish and petty ways.

i don't think anyone is done until they just die.

[mirein meyun]

black_wing_angel

mirein meyun

I had always thought cyberbulling was where you make a video of you beating someone up/sex tape of someone and post it all over the internet like on Youtube, so if it's posted with personal information, that could explain where people get the personal info.

Cyberbullying is a particularly broad range of behaviors, hinging on the humiliation / general negative effect on an individual, with the internet being the flux to spread it around. Whether it's a viral video of someone getting humiliated or assaulted, or simply a million people leaving hateful comments and things.

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But yeah, why don't we teach people how to stick up for themselves?

Because that would be violent, and violence never solved anything. Except everything.

it doesn't have to be violent
there are other ways to deal with a bully; unfortunately, not of these are taught.

[Tackle and Tickle]

First cyber bullying is not always targeted at the person. It affects them as other people read the comments or posts or videos and respond to them it does not always have to be targeted at the persons facebook or other social media. Posting on other peoples facebook or myspace pages about a person is also a form of cyber bullying that will get back to that person.

Also phone numbers is simple as getting a phone book or asking a person that has that persons number for the number.

[sweetune]

cyberbullying really depends on who you are as a person.

If you're a regular person and you're cyberbullied, most people can just block the person. Maybe even brush that person off. You can report them to the moderator, etc. If the level gets serious you can even sue the person.


But, when you're a celebrity it becames a different ball game.

In Korea this is really serious. You have random people compiling fake proof that this celebrity used to be a bully/ they beat us up smoked and bullied others /etc etc.
(Really, there are a lot of people like this. In the thousands.) To celebrities, image is their life. You can't just "ignore" stuff like this. There are also male perv fans that photoshop their fav celebrity to porn stars. That's just messed up.

There was an actual anti fan who was jealous of Tablo (a hiphop artist from Epik High) for graduating from stanford. He made a whole forum and compiled fake proof that Tablo didn't actually graduate from stanford. Even when Tablo explained himself in person, showed graduation pictures, friends from stanford spoke up for the guy... the hate got so bad. There were thousands of people believing this douche bag. Tablo's father died from stress.

I remember reading female celebrities would get dead animals delivered to them for "getting too close to their bias" -_____________________-

Cyber police exist in Korea. Their specialize specifically in cyber crime and this includes cyber bullies when the level becomes extreme.

cyber bullying just exists. It will never go away.

I can go on forever about this, but i'm just going to end this here. PEace outtt!