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Do you think Obama would be a good leader of Communism?

Yes 0.23333333333333 23.3% [ 7 ]
No 0.56666666666667 56.7% [ 17 ]
I don't know 0.2 20.0% [ 6 ]
Total Votes:[ 30 ]
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Stephells the Soviet
yeah is dead
Stephells the Soviet
yeah is dead
And why does America have the latest technology? Capitalism.

Exactly, Russia and China did Communism to early, but we are updated far beyond everyone in Military that's why we should switch to Communism. In WWII people in America were thinking of switching to Communism because they would all share the wealth and no one would have to bring in Barrels of money to buy necessary things such as food. If we switch we would all be equal, plus we would already be ready to defend against attacks. the U.S. is to aggressive anyway.
And eventually, America will no longer be leading in technology.

Not True, Russia had great Military Technology during the Cold War, they had better technology then us. But they spent to much time Producing and Maintaining these weapons, what I propose is to keep a Balance between the two, and since we are so far in technology we have a head start to just concentrate on the Economy. Just as long we don't spend to much time on either one we will do fine.


Still, Canada had better fighter-interceptors.
The CF-105 Arrow, b***h. But otherwise, the Communist Bloc and NATO were pretty much neck-and-neck.
Christopher Columbine
Stephells the Soviet
yeah is dead
Stephells the Soviet
yeah is dead
And why does America have the latest technology? Capitalism.

Exactly, Russia and China did Communism to early, but we are updated far beyond everyone in Military that's why we should switch to Communism. In WWII people in America were thinking of switching to Communism because they would all share the wealth and no one would have to bring in Barrels of money to buy necessary things such as food. If we switch we would all be equal, plus we would already be ready to defend against attacks. the U.S. is to aggressive anyway.
And eventually, America will no longer be leading in technology.

Not True, Russia had great Military Technology during the Cold War, they had better technology then us. But they spent to much time Producing and Maintaining these weapons, what I propose is to keep a Balance between the two, and since we are so far in technology we have a head start to just concentrate on the Economy. Just as long we don't spend to much time on either one we will do fine.


Still, Canada had better fighter-interceptors.
The CF-105 Arrow, b***h. But otherwise, the Communist Bloc and NATO were pretty much neck-and-neck.

Yeah, but during the Cold War it was just a Race to make Nuclear warheads and to tell the other person that if they don't dismantle they're weapons then they would fire theirs. But the reason why Russia raced to make their Military technology better was because in WWI and WWII they really lacked and were beaten pretty badly by the Nazi's. The Only reason they won was because they had number on they're sides.
Stephells the Soviet
Christopher Columbine
Stephells the Soviet
yeah is dead
Stephells the Soviet
yeah is dead
And why does America have the latest technology? Capitalism.

Exactly, Russia and China did Communism to early, but we are updated far beyond everyone in Military that's why we should switch to Communism. In WWII people in America were thinking of switching to Communism because they would all share the wealth and no one would have to bring in Barrels of money to buy necessary things such as food. If we switch we would all be equal, plus we would already be ready to defend against attacks. the U.S. is to aggressive anyway.
And eventually, America will no longer be leading in technology.

Not True, Russia had great Military Technology during the Cold War, they had better technology then us. But they spent to much time Producing and Maintaining these weapons, what I propose is to keep a Balance between the two, and since we are so far in technology we have a head start to just concentrate on the Economy. Just as long we don't spend to much time on either one we will do fine.


Still, Canada had better fighter-interceptors.
The CF-105 Arrow, b***h. But otherwise, the Communist Bloc and NATO were pretty much neck-and-neck.

Yeah, but during the Cold War it was just a Race to make Nuclear warheads and to tell the other person that if they don't dismantle they're weapons then they would fire theirs. But the reason why Russia raced to make their Military technology better was because in WWI and WWII they really lacked and were beaten pretty badly by the Nazi's. The Only reason they won was because they had number on they're sides.


An Arrow, under even half-decent conditions, could stop a nuclear missile. But you guys had the political advantage because we had anti-tax right-wing populists like Diefenbaker who halted technological progress in the name of getting more votes.
Christopher Columbine
Stephells the Soviet
Christopher Columbine
Stephells the Soviet
yeah is dead
And eventually, America will no longer be leading in technology.

Not True, Russia had great Military Technology during the Cold War, they had better technology then us. But they spent to much time Producing and Maintaining these weapons, what I propose is to keep a Balance between the two, and since we are so far in technology we have a head start to just concentrate on the Economy. Just as long we don't spend to much time on either one we will do fine.


Still, Canada had better fighter-interceptors.
The CF-105 Arrow, b***h. But otherwise, the Communist Bloc and NATO were pretty much neck-and-neck.

Yeah, but during the Cold War it was just a Race to make Nuclear warheads and to tell the other person that if they don't dismantle they're weapons then they would fire theirs. But the reason why Russia raced to make their Military technology better was because in WWI and WWII they really lacked and were beaten pretty badly by the Nazi's. The Only reason they won was because they had number on they're sides.


An Arrow, under even half-decent conditions, could stop a nuclear missile. But you guys had the political advantage because we had anti-tax right-wing populists like Diefenbaker who halted technological progress in the name of getting more votes.

But the question is would the Arrow be able to stop ALL of Russia's Nuclear Warheads, and don't forget Russia doesn't have to fire the warheads from far away, all they need to do is travel by submarine and fire them at a close range and retreat back.
Which Communism you talkin 'bout boy? "True" Communism OR Authoritarian Communism?

Besides i'm pretty sure you're thinking more socialist than communist (since communism can't exist in its true form).
Stephells the Soviet
Christopher Columbine
Stephells the Soviet
Christopher Columbine
Stephells the Soviet
yeah is dead
And eventually, America will no longer be leading in technology.

Not True, Russia had great Military Technology during the Cold War, they had better technology then us. But they spent to much time Producing and Maintaining these weapons, what I propose is to keep a Balance between the two, and since we are so far in technology we have a head start to just concentrate on the Economy. Just as long we don't spend to much time on either one we will do fine.


Still, Canada had better fighter-interceptors.
The CF-105 Arrow, b***h. But otherwise, the Communist Bloc and NATO were pretty much neck-and-neck.

Yeah, but during the Cold War it was just a Race to make Nuclear warheads and to tell the other person that if they don't dismantle they're weapons then they would fire theirs. But the reason why Russia raced to make their Military technology better was because in WWI and WWII they really lacked and were beaten pretty badly by the Nazi's. The Only reason they won was because they had number on they're sides.


An Arrow, under even half-decent conditions, could stop a nuclear missile. But you guys had the political advantage because we had anti-tax right-wing populists like Diefenbaker who halted technological progress in the name of getting more votes.

But the question is would the Arrow be able to stop ALL of Russia's Nuclear Warheads, and don't forget Russia doesn't have to fire the warheads from far away, all they need to do is travel by submarine and fire them at a close range and retreat back.


If each one could carry 6 missiles and they planned on having 200 if it weren't for Diefenbaker and those PC douchebags, 1200 nukes could be stopped. Rotate the planes, and we could block them if 1500 were sent an hour.
Christopher Columbine
Stephells the Soviet
Christopher Columbine
Stephells the Soviet
Christopher Columbine


Still, Canada had better fighter-interceptors.
The CF-105 Arrow, b***h. But otherwise, the Communist Bloc and NATO were pretty much neck-and-neck.

Yeah, but during the Cold War it was just a Race to make Nuclear warheads and to tell the other person that if they don't dismantle they're weapons then they would fire theirs. But the reason why Russia raced to make their Military technology better was because in WWI and WWII they really lacked and were beaten pretty badly by the Nazi's. The Only reason they won was because they had number on they're sides.


An Arrow, under even half-decent conditions, could stop a nuclear missile. But you guys had the political advantage because we had anti-tax right-wing populists like Diefenbaker who halted technological progress in the name of getting more votes.

But the question is would the Arrow be able to stop ALL of Russia's Nuclear Warheads, and don't forget Russia doesn't have to fire the warheads from far away, all they need to do is travel by submarine and fire them at a close range and retreat back.


If each one could carry 6 missiles and they planned on having 200 if it weren't for Diefenbaker and those PC douchebags, 1200 nukes could be stopped. Rotate the planes, and we could block them if 1500 were sent an hour.

I am amazed by your Statistics xd
Stephells the Soviet
I personally think that Communism would help this broken Economy, because instead of individual wealth we all would share. The reason why Russia and China failed was because their borders were way to large. Russia and China needed to have a big army to protect they're big size. but with all they're attention on Military power and not on the economy itself which defeated the whole purpose of communism. They wasted all the peoples money on Military and didn't spend it so that everyone in China and Russia had a nice equal Life.
But the United states is Relatively smaller compared to Russia and China, so it would work better, and since we have some of the most latest technology I don't think military is a issue and if everything is equal for everyone there won't be any homeless people. As long as we keep a good balance of Military and Economy.


As an actual communist, I'm going to address some things in your original post before I read any more of this thread. First and foremost is the poll that, I can only hope, is a joke. Obama is not a communist, not even a progressive social democrat. Obama is a capitalist, just like every president in history before him (with the possible exception of FDR, whom is debatable). Asking whether or not Obama would be a good "leader of communism," as if an ideology transcending individual dictatorship can be controlled, is a clear no. It's similar to asking whether or not Charles Manson would be a good leader for the Catholic Church- they have nothing to do with each other- the question is retarded.

Second, is the argument that the policies of the Soviet Union and the People's Republic of China failed to produce a functioning socialist system comparable to the successes of the capitalist in the United States because their, "borders were way too large," is the grossest over-simplification that I have ever heard. Many factors led to the demise of the USSR as well as the general decline of socialist ideology in China, most of which had nothing to do with the size of the nation. Good examples might be their reliance on military doctrine as well as a lack of checks and balances in the central government. What destroyed the Russian economy wasn't military spending alone, nor was such spending required for its large size, the problem with the Russian economy was economic liberalization in the 1960s combined with greater quotas from the politburo who had built themselves into a separate party class above the proletariat, which led to increased demand for worker productivity without offering any compensation. This alienated the workers from their own socialist system. The same can be said for China after the rise of Deng Xiaopeng as to the regression of communist ideology- though the Chinese economy itself has actually grown thanks in part to controversial communist policies spearheaded by Mao and his comrades during the GPCR (something you address here as an unnecessary stress on the military?)

This is not to say that the military didn't play a key role in putting stress on the Soviet system, by the end of the Cold War, Russia alone had anywhere from 20,000 to 25,000 nuclear warheads, when it is said that only a couple hundred are needed to be detonated at once in order to disrupt Earth's atmosphere enough to send to world into what is known as a nuclear winter. To ignore the military entirely doesn't give the problem true comparable merit, but neither does blaming the militarist policies of the USSR and PRC alone entirely.

Third, your assumption that geographic landmass has anything to do with a negative impact on the economy is lost on me. In the contemporary world where national representatives can video conference over their computers from two opposite sides of the planet, I don't think geography has much to do with anything- maybe it did in 1917, but not so much anymore, not so much in the 1950's even, when the communist system was expelled from Russia in favor of State Capitalism, nor in China two decades later. If anything, the landmass of the United States would be a positive as it would guarantee your hypothetical scenario US more resources than, say, Vietnam had. It is geographic boundaries which ultimately undid many aspects of the "socialism in one state policy"- without trade, they could not acquire necessary resources needed for technological progression that the capitalist had free range to.

The homeless can be provided for relatively cheaply- the idea that giving the homeless a building to live in and keep the heat going would cost more than a few million dollars per year, especially when the failures and inadequacies of the capitalist means of production has left us with so many vacant buildings is laughable. Communism isn't necessary for human rights, what you're talking about sounds like mild democratic socialism. Communism would never work in the US anyways, not until world revolution. Socialism, which is a staunchly anti-colonialist perspective, cannot work for an economic system which relies so heavily on the parasitic relationship it holds with the third world. It would ultimately fail.
Stephells the Soviet
Christopher Columbine
Stephells the Soviet
Christopher Columbine
Stephells the Soviet
Christopher Columbine


Still, Canada had better fighter-interceptors.
The CF-105 Arrow, b***h. But otherwise, the Communist Bloc and NATO were pretty much neck-and-neck.

Yeah, but during the Cold War it was just a Race to make Nuclear warheads and to tell the other person that if they don't dismantle they're weapons then they would fire theirs. But the reason why Russia raced to make their Military technology better was because in WWI and WWII they really lacked and were beaten pretty badly by the Nazi's. The Only reason they won was because they had number on they're sides.


An Arrow, under even half-decent conditions, could stop a nuclear missile. But you guys had the political advantage because we had anti-tax right-wing populists like Diefenbaker who halted technological progress in the name of getting more votes.

But the question is would the Arrow be able to stop ALL of Russia's Nuclear Warheads, and don't forget Russia doesn't have to fire the warheads from far away, all they need to do is travel by submarine and fire them at a close range and retreat back.


If each one could carry 6 missiles and they planned on having 200 if it weren't for Diefenbaker and those PC douchebags, 1200 nukes could be stopped. Rotate the planes, and we could block them if 1500 were sent an hour.

I am amazed by your Statistics xd


Statistics build good arguments.
Great_Xibalba
Stephells the Soviet
I personally think that Communism would help this broken Economy, because instead of individual wealth we all would share. The reason why Russia and China failed was because their borders were way to large. Russia and China needed to have a big army to protect they're big size. but with all they're attention on Military power and not on the economy itself which defeated the whole purpose of communism. They wasted all the peoples money on Military and didn't spend it so that everyone in China and Russia had a nice equal Life.
But the United states is Relatively smaller compared to Russia and China, so it would work better, and since we have some of the most latest technology I don't think military is a issue and if everything is equal for everyone there won't be any homeless people. As long as we keep a good balance of Military and Economy.


As an actual communist, I'm going to address some things in your original post before I read any more of this thread. First and foremost is the poll that, I can only hope, is a joke. Obama is not a communist, not even a progressive social democrat. Obama is a capitalist, just like every president in history before him (with the possible exception of FDR, whom is debatable). Asking whether or not Obama would be a good "leader of communism," as if an ideology transcending individual dictatorship can be controlled, is a clear no. It's similar to asking whether or not Charles Manson would be a good leader for the Catholic Church- they have nothing to do with each other- the question is retarded.

Second, is the argument that the policies of the Soviet Union and the People's Republic of China failed to produce a functioning socialist system comparable to the successes of the capitalist in the United States because their, "borders were way too large," is the grossest over-simplification that I have ever heard. Many factors led to the demise of the USSR as well as the general decline of socialist ideology in China, most of which had nothing to do with the size of the nation. Good examples might be their reliance on military doctrine as well as a lack of checks and balances in the central government. What destroyed the Russian economy wasn't military spending alone, nor was such spending required for its large size, the problem with the Russian economy was economic liberalization in the 1960s combined with greater quotas from the politburo who had built themselves into a separate party class above the proletariat, which led to increased demand for worker productivity without offering any compensation. This alienated the workers from their own socialist system. The same can be said for China after the rise of Deng Xiaopeng as to the regression of communist ideology- though the Chinese economy itself has actually grown thanks in part to controversial communist policies spearheaded by Mao and his comrades during the GPCR (something you address here as an unnecessary stress on the military?)

This is not to say that the military didn't play a key role in putting stress on the Soviet system, by the end of the Cold War, Russia alone had anywhere from 20,000 to 25,000 nuclear warheads, when it is said that only a couple hundred are needed to be detonated at once in order to disrupt Earth's atmosphere enough to send to world into what is known as a nuclear winter. To ignore the military entirely doesn't give the problem true comparable merit, but neither does blaming the militarist policies of the USSR and PRC alone entirely.

Third, your assumption that geographic landmass has anything to do with a negative impact on the economy is lost on me. In the contemporary world where national representatives can video conference over their computers from two opposite sides of the planet, I don't think geography has much to do with anything- maybe it did in 1917, but not so much anymore, not so much in the 1950's even, when the communist system was expelled from Russia in favor of State Capitalism, nor in China two decades later. If anything, the landmass of the United States would be a positive as it would guarantee your hypothetical scenario US more resources than, say, Vietnam had. It is geographic boundaries which ultimately undid many aspects of the "socialism in one state policy"- without trade, they could not acquire necessary resources needed for technological progression that the capitalist had free range to.

The homeless can be provided for relatively cheaply- the idea that giving the homeless a building to live in and keep the heat going would cost more than a few million dollars per year, especially when the failures and inadequacies of the capitalist means of production has left us with so many vacant buildings is laughable. Communism isn't necessary for human rights, what you're talking about sounds like mild democratic socialism. Communism would never work in the US anyways, not until world revolution. Socialism, which is a staunchly anti-colonialist perspective, cannot work for an economic system which relies so heavily on the parasitic relationship it holds with the third world. It would ultimately fail.

For I am young and still growing a brain to put in my skull I thank you for this great information. But However I found it very rude that you attacked me and my theory's with aggression, I appreciate your generosity to tell me communism isn't what I am talking about instead I was more talking about a Mild democratic socialism. but I wish you would have been a little less attacking as this is discussion and not a "Flame War". This has educated me greatly, I won't change my beliefs, but I will certainly think of different ideals and better solutions. And I am sorry if the Obama Poll offended you in anyway. All I was asking was if you would think.Not necessarily saying that he should be a leader of it. But I thank you again for the information about how the USSR and PRC really fell. It is a Honor to have a Real communist tell me more information that I so desperately want to know more about.
Stephells the Soviet
For I am young and still growing a brain to put in my skull I thank you for this great information. But However I found it very rude that you attacked me and my theory's with aggression, I appreciate your generosity to tell me communism isn't what I am talking about instead I was more talking about a Mild democratic socialism. but I wish you would have been a little less attacking as this is discussion and not a "Flame War". This has educated me greatly, I won't change my beliefs, but I will certainly think of different ideals and better solutions. And I am sorry if the Obama Poll offended you in anyway. All I was asking was if you would think.Not necessarily saying that he should be a leader of it. But I thank you again for the information about how the USSR and PRC really fell. It is a Honor to have a Real communist tell me more information that I so desperately want to know more about.


My apologies if I seemed aggressive in any way. I suppose my lecture could have gone without all of the predatory adjectives. As for your beliefs, although I didn't hear much of what your ideal state would be, I came upon the conclusion that if your main concerns are regarding human welfare, of the homeless in particular, as well as your criticisms of the military of the USSR, I generally assumed, though I suppose I shouldn't get in the habit of doing that. I don't really know where you stand on the issue of socialist ideology so much, I just thought to correct a few inconsistencies I saw present. Again, I didn't mean to offend, and am greatly sorry for doing so. m(._.)m *Kowtows*

Because you're new, I can recommend a few discussion forums and readings to get you started if you would like. It's up to you, and my help is here should you so want it.
Stephells the Soviet
I personally think that Communism would help this broken Economy, because instead of individual wealth we all would share. The reason why Russia and China failed was because their borders were way to large. Russia and China needed to have a big army to protect they're big size. but with all they're attention on Military power and not on the economy itself which defeated the whole purpose of communism. They wasted all the peoples money on Military and didn't spend it so that everyone in China and Russia had a nice equal Life.
But the United states is Relatively smaller compared to Russia and China, so it would work better, and since we have some of the most latest technology I don't think military is a issue and if everything is equal for everyone there won't be any homeless people. As long as we keep a good balance of Military and Economy.
The United States spends half of the world's military budget.

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Stephells the Soviet
yeah is dead
Stephells the Soviet
yeah is dead
And why does America have the latest technology? Capitalism.

Exactly, Russia and China did Communism to early, but we are updated far beyond everyone in Military that's why we should switch to Communism. In WWII people in America were thinking of switching to Communism because they would all share the wealth and no one would have to bring in Barrels of money to buy necessary things such as food. If we switch we would all be equal, plus we would already be ready to defend against attacks. the U.S. is to aggressive anyway.
And eventually, America will no longer be leading in technology.

Not True, Russia had great Military Technology during the Cold War, they had better technology then us. But they spent to much time Producing and Maintaining these weapons, what I propose is to keep a Balance between the two, and since we are so far in technology we have a head start to just concentrate on the Economy. Just as long we don't spend to much time on either one we will do fine. Making everyone equal in our life would eliminate most of the depression in our country to.


You do know that they stole a crapload of technology from us right? Can anyone say nuclear?
i believe some parts of comunisem is good but its flawed like every other system and i dont think its flaws would help the people of the united states but some aspects of comunisem would help the economy
M. Angel
Stephells the Soviet
yeah is dead
Stephells the Soviet
yeah is dead
And why does America have the latest technology? Capitalism.

Exactly, Russia and China did Communism to early, but we are updated far beyond everyone in Military that's why we should switch to Communism. In WWII people in America were thinking of switching to Communism because they would all share the wealth and no one would have to bring in Barrels of money to buy necessary things such as food. If we switch we would all be equal, plus we would already be ready to defend against attacks. the U.S. is to aggressive anyway.
And eventually, America will no longer be leading in technology.

Not True, Russia had great Military Technology during the Cold War, they had better technology then us. But they spent to much time Producing and Maintaining these weapons, what I propose is to keep a Balance between the two, and since we are so far in technology we have a head start to just concentrate on the Economy. Just as long we don't spend to much time on either one we will do fine. Making everyone equal in our life would eliminate most of the depression in our country to.


You do know that they stole a crapload of technology from us right? Can anyone say nuclear?

if we had comunisem where every one was paind equally eventually no one would be working because they would get paid either way

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