Pseudo-Onkelos
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CH1YO
Golden Friend
Pseudo-Onkelos
Adored Admirer
CH1YO
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Pseudo-Onkelos
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CH1YO
Golden Friend
Captain Verd
Agent Thrax
Smoker
Kaosgirl
AnthroScorp
Apocalyptic Tactician
AnthroScorp
Apocalyptic Tactician
Kaosgirl
EthelbertOddity
Kaosgirl
EthelbertOddity
Kaosgirl
"Up front at the start" gets people killed. Later, when you know someone well enough to have an idea how they might react, is another story... but by then, there's emotional attachments messing with the rational considerations - and a bit of resentment that this is even an issue, when it *wouldn't* be if they'd been born cisgendered.
I would say that anyone who makes an issue out of this is no better.
burning_eyes
Oh and lying doesn't??.
Oh and lying doesn't??.
Only if you get caught.
EthelbertOddity
I don't like being referred to as a cisgendered person also
so please don't use that in referring to me in the future..
I don't like being referred to as a liar for not 'outting' myself at the first viable opportunity.
burning_eyes
And that's the problem "when you get caught..."
Unless your a trans person who, dates someone and
doesn't tell them that your trans after you've started dating them
then yeah I'm calling you a lier, because that's what
your doing to the other person and by definition are...
And that's the problem "when you get caught..."
Unless your a trans person who, dates someone and
doesn't tell them that your trans after you've started dating them
then yeah I'm calling you a lier, because that's what
your doing to the other person and by definition are...
The logic of your argument extends to implying that simply wearing makeup or coloring one's hair is a lie. Which in turn meas almost all women are liars.
I don't think you really want to go there.
burning_eyes
Well aren't we just a lil sexist.. your
comment implys that males don't dye there hair or wear make..
we know that's just not true.. anyhows to answer your comment
guess what if there trying to pass it off as there natural hair color
or shade of skin they are lying.. and that was a very poor
chose and very left field of our topic talk..
Well aren't we just a lil sexist.. your
comment implys that males don't dye there hair or wear make..
we know that's just not true.. anyhows to answer your comment
guess what if there trying to pass it off as there natural hair color
or shade of skin they are lying.. and that was a very poor
chose and very left field of our topic talk..
AnthroScorp
Apocalyptic Tactician
The Living Force
EthelbertOddity
Quote:
he Living Force: Why don't I have the privilege of knowing if you're your "proper birth gender?"
And for the record, that's an incredibly offensive statement. The proper birth gender naturally being the one you were born with. You're normal, so why should they even have to wonder? Junior, get over yourself.
Well damn, with fronds like these... I mean, if you're going to be patronizing as s**t, why the hell would we treat you as you feel you deserve. Seriously, if you demand to know that a person is trans, I would demand to know if you were cis. It's only fair, right? If you didn't tell me, I'd flip my s**t. I'd feel betrayed because you made a lie of omission. Right?
How is it not respectful to the non-trans? It just describes someone who isn't trans. It's not a swear word. It's not rude. It's just a descriptor. I BALK AT BEING CALLED A DUCK DESPITE MY DUCKINESS.
And I'll always quote Imperial scum. FOR THE REPUBLIC..
And for the record, that's an incredibly offensive statement. The proper birth gender naturally being the one you were born with. You're normal, so why should they even have to wonder? Junior, get over yourself.
Well damn, with fronds like these... I mean, if you're going to be patronizing as s**t, why the hell would we treat you as you feel you deserve. Seriously, if you demand to know that a person is trans, I would demand to know if you were cis. It's only fair, right? If you didn't tell me, I'd flip my s**t. I'd feel betrayed because you made a lie of omission. Right?
How is it not respectful to the non-trans? It just describes someone who isn't trans. It's not a swear word. It's not rude. It's just a descriptor. I BALK AT BEING CALLED A DUCK DESPITE MY DUCKINESS.
And I'll always quote Imperial scum. FOR THE REPUBLIC..
burning_eyes
Please don't quote me
until after the current mini-event.. thank you..
The Living Force
why would you quote me when I clearly asked you not too?
I'd think you'd ask or refer to me as the gender
I'm displaying, isn't that what you as a trans gendered want?
also your taking things both out of content and
if anything making trans person look bad,
I'm not younger then you, and when you refer
to me as a cis person after I asked you not to
guess what that's an incredibly offensive statement
but if you can't understand simple things
like this, I have no reason to keep
talking with you about this.. so I wont..
give respect, when it's given to you or
don't expect any in return.. good eve/day/morn
Please don't quote me
until after the current mini-event.. thank you..
The Living Force
why would you quote me when I clearly asked you not too?
I'd think you'd ask or refer to me as the gender
I'm displaying, isn't that what you as a trans gendered want?
also your taking things both out of content and
if anything making trans person look bad,
I'm not younger then you, and when you refer
to me as a cis person after I asked you not to
guess what that's an incredibly offensive statement
but if you can't understand simple things
like this, I have no reason to keep
talking with you about this.. so I wont..
give respect, when it's given to you or
don't expect any in return.. good eve/day/morn
I can't speak for anyone but myself. It is interesting, though, that you expect trans people to out themselves as trans in a relationship but you don't want to out yourself as non-trans? Why the double standard? You say that people should give respect in order to receive it, yet you do not respect trans people. You expect them to give information about themselves that you yourself would not. That's rather rude, don't you think? If a trans person is a liar for not telling someone they're trans, you're a liar for not telling someone that you aren't trans.
How do you know that you're older than I am? I sure wouldn't assume.
burning_eyes
On the star wars thing, that's just a matter
of chose or believe, and I like and supported the empire..
As far as our other topic, if you'd read any of most of
my comments on the trans topic I've told plenty of times
if I where trans or not and the fact that the other person, still
asked showed that either they didn't read the other post or ignored
my answer to that question, and so I didn't feel like yet again
repeating myself, as I'd already answered that question so many times
on here alone..
that also make the double standard comment of yours flawed
at best, as i'd already offered that information to all... so down to the
last bit of your comment.... I said again if there dating a person
I believe/ think it's fair to give that person the chose/option to
stay with the relationship or leave it again to me that's fair
rather then the other person finding out throw a third part, and then
have that/those question that they're not prepared for be asked..
I also gave examples of both someone being told up front and
others who didn't know find out and the things people would ask/say
about them, and the over all harassment they'd have to face...
On the star wars thing, that's just a matter
of chose or believe, and I like and supported the empire..
As far as our other topic, if you'd read any of most of
my comments on the trans topic I've told plenty of times
if I where trans or not and the fact that the other person, still
asked showed that either they didn't read the other post or ignored
my answer to that question, and so I didn't feel like yet again
repeating myself, as I'd already answered that question so many times
on here alone..
that also make the double standard comment of yours flawed
at best, as i'd already offered that information to all... so down to the
last bit of your comment.... I said again if there dating a person
I believe/ think it's fair to give that person the chose/option to
stay with the relationship or leave it again to me that's fair
rather then the other person finding out throw a third part, and then
have that/those question that they're not prepared for be asked..
I also gave examples of both someone being told up front and
others who didn't know find out and the things people would ask/say
about them, and the over all harassment they'd have to face...
Kaosgirl
EthelbertOddity
Kaosgirl
EthelbertOddity
Kaosgirl
EthelbertOddity
burning_eyes
Oh and lying doesn't??.
Oh and lying doesn't??.
Only if you get caught.
EthelbertOddity
I don't like being referred to as a cisgendered person also
so please don't use that in referring to me in the future..
I don't like being referred to as a liar for not 'outting' myself at the first viable opportunity.
burning_eyes
And that's the problem "when you get caught..."
Unless your a trans person who, dates someone and
doesn't tell them that your trans after you've started dating them
then yeah I'm calling you a lier, because that's what
your doing to the other person and by definition are...
And that's the problem "when you get caught..."
Unless your a trans person who, dates someone and
doesn't tell them that your trans after you've started dating them
then yeah I'm calling you a lier, because that's what
your doing to the other person and by definition are...
The logic of your argument extends to implying that simply wearing makeup or coloring one's hair is a lie. Which in turn meas almost all women are liars.
I don't think you really want to go there.
burning_eyes
Well aren't we just a lil sexist.. your
comment implys that males don't dye there hair or wear make..
Well aren't we just a lil sexist.. your
comment implys that males don't dye there hair or wear make..
My comment merely implies that the vast majority of women do so; it makes no comment in any direction as to whether or not men take part in those activities, or to what degree they might do so. Any implications otherwise are a result of you stretching for criticisms.
EthelbertOddity
guess what if there trying to pass it off as there natural hair color
or shade of skin they are lying.. and that was a very poor
chose and very left field of our topic talk..
By your logic, they're lying simply by not mentioning the fact - regardless of why. As is anyone who fails to mention having had a nose job, or a surgical fix for a cleft palate, or implants (to throw in a few more examples.)
Also: by definition, you are cisgendered. And if you insist that I'm a liar for not declaring myself to be transgendered, then my insistence on referring to you as cisgendered is simply offering you the same respect (or lack thereof) that you're already showing me. If you downgrade it further, then I will follow suit.
AnthroScorp
Apocalyptic Tactician
Kaosgirl
EthelbertOddity
Kaosgirl
EthelbertOddity
Kaosgirl
Only if you get caught.
I don't like being referred to as a liar for not 'outting' myself at the first viable opportunity.
burning_eyes
And that's the problem "when you get caught..."
Unless your a trans person who, dates someone and
doesn't tell them that your trans after you've started dating them
then yeah I'm calling you a lier, because that's what
your doing to the other person and by definition are...
And that's the problem "when you get caught..."
Unless your a trans person who, dates someone and
doesn't tell them that your trans after you've started dating them
then yeah I'm calling you a lier, because that's what
your doing to the other person and by definition are...
The logic of your argument extends to implying that simply wearing makeup or coloring one's hair is a lie. Which in turn meas almost all women are liars.
I don't think you really want to go there.
burning_eyes
Well aren't we just a lil sexist.. your
comment implys that males don't dye there hair or wear make..
Well aren't we just a lil sexist.. your
comment implys that males don't dye there hair or wear make..
My comment merely implies that the vast majority of women do so; it makes no comment in any direction as to whether or not men take part in those activities, or to what degree they might do so. Any implications otherwise are a result of you stretching for criticisms.
EthelbertOddity
guess what if there trying to pass it off as there natural hair color
or shade of skin they are lying.. and that was a very poor
chose and very left field of our topic talk..
By your logic, they're lying simply by not mentioning the fact - regardless of why. As is anyone who fails to mention having had a nose job, or a surgical fix for a cleft palate, or implants (to throw in a few more examples.)
Also: by definition, you are cisgendered. And if you insist that I'm a liar for not declaring myself to be transgendered, then my insistence on referring to you as cisgendered is simply offering you the same respect (or lack thereof) that you're already showing me. If you downgrade it further, then I will follow suit.
burning_eyes
Nope, you were leaving out males altogether
and making it seem as though, it was a purely female thing..
I stretched nothing just pointed out your sexism..
Nope I said there lying to those there dating for not telling
the other person once they start dating, that they trans
as far the other things, It's a bit different true, but also
fall into the same type of thing, just maybe not as serious
(unless they're still have trouble after there operations)
Also By definition I'm a person, not a gender and also
your gender title of me is something I don't agree with nor like
as I've asked very nice and respectfully to not referred to in
that term so I'll no longer show you the respect of calling you
the gender you identify with... and we can always get as
dirty as you like, As your not seeing my side or don't think
its as important as your, if you like I'll take off the kind gloves
(so to speck) and go full adult to adult curtly... the chose is yours
we either stay civil or not....
Nope, you were leaving out males altogether
and making it seem as though, it was a purely female thing..
I stretched nothing just pointed out your sexism..
Nope I said there lying to those there dating for not telling
the other person once they start dating, that they trans
as far the other things, It's a bit different true, but also
fall into the same type of thing, just maybe not as serious
(unless they're still have trouble after there operations)
Also By definition I'm a person, not a gender and also
your gender title of me is something I don't agree with nor like
as I've asked very nice and respectfully to not referred to in
that term so I'll no longer show you the respect of calling you
the gender you identify with... and we can always get as
dirty as you like, As your not seeing my side or don't think
its as important as your, if you like I'll take off the kind gloves
(so to speck) and go full adult to adult curtly... the chose is yours
we either stay civil or not....
Kaosgirl
EthelbertOddity
Kaosgirl
EthelbertOddity
Kaosgirl
EthelbertOddity
burning_eyes
And that's the problem "when you get caught..."
Unless your a trans person who, dates someone and
doesn't tell them that your trans after you've started dating them
then yeah I'm calling you a lier, because that's what
your doing to the other person and by definition are...
And that's the problem "when you get caught..."
Unless your a trans person who, dates someone and
doesn't tell them that your trans after you've started dating them
then yeah I'm calling you a lier, because that's what
your doing to the other person and by definition are...
The logic of your argument extends to implying that simply wearing makeup or coloring one's hair is a lie. Which in turn meas almost all women are liars.
I don't think you really want to go there.
burning_eyes
Well aren't we just a lil sexist.. your
comment implys that males don't dye there hair or wear make..
Well aren't we just a lil sexist.. your
comment implys that males don't dye there hair or wear make..
My comment merely implies that the vast majority of women do so; it makes no comment in any direction as to whether or not men take part in those activities, or to what degree they might do so. Any implications otherwise are a result of you stretching for criticisms.
EthelbertOddity
guess what if there trying to pass it off as there natural hair color
or shade of skin they are lying.. and that was a very poor
chose and very left field of our topic talk..
By your logic, they're lying simply by not mentioning the fact - regardless of why. As is anyone who fails to mention having had a nose job, or a surgical fix for a cleft palate, or implants (to throw in a few more examples.)
Also: by definition, you are cisgendered. And if you insist that I'm a liar for not declaring myself to be transgendered, then my insistence on referring to you as cisgendered is simply offering you the same respect (or lack thereof) that you're already showing me. If you downgrade it further, then I will follow suit.
burning_eyes
Nope, you were leaving out males altogether
and making it seem as though, it was a purely female thing..
I stretched nothing just pointed out your sexism..
Nope I said there lying to those there dating for not telling
the other person once they start dating, that they trans
as far the other things, It's a bit different true, but also
fall into the same type of thing, just maybe not as serious
(unless they're still have trouble after there operations)
Also By definition I'm a person, not a gender
By definition, you are many things. A person, a gender, a nationality, a member of a given culture or subculture, and possibly more than one. You're either single or in a relationship, which is yet another category I could refer to you by.
EthelbertOddity
and also
your gender title of me is something I don't agree with nor like
It's not a title, it's a qualifier. One that simply means "a person who's gender identity matches the one associated with their physical sex." There's no reasonable cause for you to disagree with it unless you are actually transgendered.
Your like or dislike of it is irrelevant. It's a valid descriptor for you, just as 'transgendered' is for me. And FTR, I don't particularly like being transgendered either. I've made my peace with it, but the baggage it carries still annoys me. Little things you'll never have to deal with, like... well, among others, the issue we're talking about right now.
EthelbertOddity
as I've asked very nice and respectfully to not referred to in
that term so I'll no longer show you the respect of calling you
the gender you identify with...
No loss, as you were clearly faking it in the first place.
EthelbertOddity
and we can always get as
dirty as you like, As your not seeing my side or don't think
its as important as your,
Nor you, mine. Once again, you're asking me to offer more respect than you're willing to give. That's three, if we count the "please don't quote me" demands you were giving before.
EthelbertOddity
if you like I'll take off the kind gloves
(so to speck) and go full adult to adult curtly... the chose is yours
we either stay civil or not....
I prefer honest incivility to false civility, especially from one who harps on about others being dishonest.
True civility would be better than both, of course, but you haven't offered me that yet.