Christains in the Military.

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You're not literally reborn everyday, for if that were the case, your mother would surely in all likelihood die from it. Alright, let's assume god is real and cannot lie, but in your head, you think everyone and everything is conspiring against you. How can you manage to convince yourself that that ONE THING out of EVERYTHING on the entire face of the planet and universe and beyond is truthfully not lying to you? You already assume everything's a lie and no one is no who they say they are. What if someone "spoke" to you and said they were "god"? How do you know they are god? How can you be so sure that it's not some crazy voices going off in your head telling you to do the craziest things? And Sure, real people can harm you, but if you don't learn from your own mistakes how can manage to learn from anyone elses? Pain and suffering is a part of everyday life. That's like saying you will never in your life experience pain if you cut yourself off from the world. And okay, say you do that, you cut yourself off from the world. However, what if one day you learn that someone you knew before you cut yourself off from the world died? Can you honestly claim that you would not feel sorrow for them? Even sympathy? That in and of itself is pain. It is mourning. And for further insanity, let's say that didn't even bother you, but lonliness will. No matter how long you think you can survive alone without anyone to trust or harm you, you are indeed completely alone, and you will feel lonliness. Why? Because god made pairs for a reason, so his creatures don't get lonely, and if god says you get lonely, then, BY GOD, YOU GET LONELY. And that, that can hurt yourself, so through that you, yourself, betray yourself. So the real question here is, can you trust yourself not hurt yourself?

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[I got bored one day]

Zero Payne

Hm, I see you have yet to understand, perhaps your own ignorance to reality is my amusement, you state things that sound witty, but really it's petty.
You do waste your time on me, as I do on you, and who is to say you're not my plaything?
You know not of these answers, as you know little of what you speak.

You hide a lot. You aren't you.

[Zero Payne]

Death and Misery

Zero Payne

Hm, I see you have yet to understand, perhaps your own ignorance to reality is my amusement, you state things that sound witty, but really it's petty.
You do waste your time on me, as I do on you, and who is to say you're not my plaything?
You know not of these answers, as you know little of what you speak.

You hide a lot. You aren't you.

Do I?
Or perhaps is it you hiding behind what you wish to be?
You assume I'm not me too much for it to be a simple assumption, so perhaps it's you admitting to you just being a fake to what you display.

[I got bored one day]

f a t a l d e v o t i o n

You're not literally reborn everyday, for if that were the case, your mother would surely in all likelihood die from it.

Very perceptive.

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Alright, let's assume god is real and cannot lie, but in your head, you think everyone and everything is conspiring against you. How can you manage to convince yourself that that ONE THING out of EVERYTHING on the entire face of the planet and universe and beyond is truthfully not lying to you?

Why is that so hard? Humans can lie. God cannot. I do not see the difficulty in this reasoning. Why do I need 6 billion versions of myself when I can have one version of a being thousands upon thousands times greater than the collective? Why do I need you?

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You already assume everything's a lie and no one is no who they say they are.

I know most people aren't anything but puppets and zombies feeding off of the words given to them like children would for candy. They are told what to believe, and believe it, told what to fight for and fight for it, told how to live and live it. It's when you're asked "Who are you?" that you curl in terror, when it goes beyond those superficial characteristics and into the very weaving of your personality and the identity you label as yourself. After a while you begin to learn to decipher who is and is not right about who they are.

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What if someone "spoke" to you and said they were "god"? How do you know they are god? How can you be so sure that it's not some crazy voices going off in your head telling you to do the craziest things?

What if no one speaks to me? Am I all alone? Is faith unjustified? Yes, mental illness built upon devout faith, how original, how absolutely daft. What are you going to tell me next? That death is upon me for my foolishness, when you don't even know or understand what's going on in front of you?

I need no voices. I need not any physical sense. This is something far beyond your 6th.

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And Sure, real people can harm you, but if you don't learn from your own mistakes how can manage to learn from anyone elses?

I read books. It seems to save me a lot of the trouble you fools seem to pursue. "How can you learn from the present if you don't seek future err?" What a stupid question. Why do I have to make any mistakes? Why can't I avoid all of these pitfalls by knowing and eliminating the sources?

Why does it always end with that pitiful excuse? Experience is hardly a valuable teacher.

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Pain and suffering is a part of everyday life. That's like saying you will never in your life experience pain if you cut yourself off from the world. And okay, say you do that, you cut yourself off from the world. However, what if one day you learn that someone you knew before you cut yourself off from the world died? Can you honestly claim that you would not feel sorrow for them? Even sympathy? That in and of itself is pain. It is mourning. And for further insanity, let's say that didn't even bother you, but lonliness will. No matter how long you think you can survive alone without anyone to trust or harm you, you are indeed completely alone, and you will feel lonliness. Why? Because god made pairs for a reason, so his creatures don't get lonely, and if god says you get lonely, then, BY GOD, YOU GET LONELY. And that, that can hurt yourself, so through that you, yourself, betray yourself. So the real question here is, can you trust yourself not hurt yourself?

There is a stark difference between being alone and being lonely. Some of the greatest men and women of the world lived their lives alone, with acquaintances kept at arms length if not further, fulfilling their social needs and sexual needs by whim rather than by intimate connection. Such was wise. Also do you not understand that humans are selfish? We do not cry for the dead; we cry for ourselves. Even when cut down in our prime we are sorry for our loss, it is the living who suffer, not the dead, so why should I care that nature has taken it's course?

People of relatively close nature have died before. It was only the first time this occurred that I foolishly mourned them prior to discovering I was simply mourning myself. So, I don't function in your worldview, what now?

Educate me.

[I got bored one day]

Zero Payne

Death and Misery

Zero Payne

Hm, I see you have yet to understand, perhaps your own ignorance to reality is my amusement, you state things that sound witty, but really it's petty.
You do waste your time on me, as I do on you, and who is to say you're not my plaything?
You know not of these answers, as you know little of what you speak.

You hide a lot. You aren't you.

Do I?

Yes.

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Or perhaps is it you hiding behind what you wish to be?

No.

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You assume I'm not me too much for it to be a simple assumption, so perhaps it's you admitting to you just being a fake to what you display.

You are right about one thing: It's not an assumption anymore.

[Singh Is Back]

LOL.

IDIOTS.


THE ANSWER TO THIS IS OBVIOUSLY ONE THING:

SINGH.

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[f a t a l d e v o t i o n]

f a t a l d e v o t i o n

x x x x x x x x x x x x xF A Y E ; ✖ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
x x x x x x x x x x x x x x↘ x x x is . s p e a k i n g . . .

You're not literally reborn everyday, for if that were the case, your mother would surely in all likelihood die from it.
----
Alright, let's assume god is real and cannot lie, but in your head, you think everyone and everything is conspiring against you. How can you manage to convince yourself that that ONE THING out of EVERYTHING on the entire face of the planet and universe and beyond is truthfully not lying to you? You already assume everything's a lie and no one is no who they say they are. What if someone "spoke" to you and said they were "god"? How do you know they are god? How can you be so sure that it's not some crazy voices going off in your head telling you to do the craziest things?
----
And Sure, real people can harm you, but if you don't learn from your own mistakes how can manage to learn from anyone elses? Pain and suffering is a part of everyday life. That's like saying you will never in your life experience pain if you cut yourself off from the world.
----
And okay, say you do that, you cut yourself off from the world. However, what if one day you learn that someone you knew before you cut yourself off from the world died? Can you honestly claim that you would not feel sorrow for them? Even sympathy? That in and of itself is pain. It is mourning.
----
And for further insanity, let's say that didn't even bother you, but lonliness will. No matter how long you think you can survive alone without anyone to trust or harm you, you are indeed completely alone, and you will feel lonliness. Why? Because god made pairs for a reason, so his creatures don't get lonely, and if god says you get lonely, then, BY GOD, YOU GET LONELY. And that, that can hurt yourself, so through that you, yourself, betray yourself. So the real question here is, can you trust yourself not hurt yourself?

_______________________________________________________________»» { l i s t e n } quietly . . . will you? ღ __ ✖_✖_✖_

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x x x x x x x x x x x x x x↘ x x x is . s p e a k i n g . . .

You did not properly organize your answer correctly, so I have organized it for you.
Try again, and then, I shall read it.

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[Zero Payne]

Death and Misery

Zero Payne

Death and Misery

Zero Payne

Hm, I see you have yet to understand, perhaps your own ignorance to reality is my amusement, you state things that sound witty, but really it's petty.
You do waste your time on me, as I do on you, and who is to say you're not my plaything?
You know not of these answers, as you know little of what you speak.

You hide a lot. You aren't you.

Do I?

Yes.

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Or perhaps is it you hiding behind what you wish to be?

No.

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You assume I'm not me too much for it to be a simple assumption, so perhaps it's you admitting to you just being a fake to what you display.

You are right about one thing: It's not an assumption anymore.

But it's still an assumption ; )
And you do hide, and I'm hiding behind my keyboard, but I know who I am, do you know who you are?
Or are you trying to act as if you're wisdom is that of your elders, you assume you're the answer to everything, but you're not, you're just low, do you even know what most of those words mean?
Let alone any of your sentences?
I believe not, you just type them as you go, and plot what to reply next, or perhaps are you having somebody else reply for you?

[black_wing_angel]

xPurdah

From the Crusades to the present Christians have been killing for the "right" causes. But how can Christians justify war? Isn't one of the Ten Commandments "Thou shalt not kill"?

I'm asking this to Christains who are for wars. Does killing people in battle not count?

"Thou shalt not kill" is more about not killing without justified reason.

God HIMSELF has commanded man to kill, numerous times.

Abraham was told to kill his son.

Hell, one of the rules in the bible is that homosexuality is punishable by death.

So it's really not as simple as "thou shalt not kill, for any reason".

[I got bored one day]

f a t a l d e v o t i o n

You did not properly organize your answer correctly, so I have organized it for you.
Try again, and then, I shall read it.

Hmph. you lied. My answer is not only still "disorganized", you probably didn't have the skill to understand it in the first place. I can summarize it for you in two sentence though:

1. You state the obvious.

2. You are not up to par.

[MiaTheOrigin]

Death and Misery

There is a stark difference between being alone and being lonely. Some of the greatest men and women of the world lived their lives alone, with acquaintances kept at arms length if not further, fulfilling their social needs and sexual needs by whim rather than by intimate connection. Such was wise. Also do you not understand that humans are selfish? We do not cry for the dead; we cry for ourselves. Even when cut down in our prime we are sorry for our loss, it is the living who suffer, not the dead, so why should I care that nature has taken it's course?

People of relatively close nature have died before. It was only the first time this occurred that I foolishly mourned them prior to discovering I was simply mourning myself. So, I don't function in your worldview, what now?

Educate me.

I totally agree with this. Then, is it possible for a human to be selfless? In a word unconditional love?

[I got bored one day]

Zero Payne

But it's still an assumption ; )

It isn't.

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And you do hide, and I'm hiding behind my keyboard, but I know who I am, do you know who you are?

I'm not hiding. You are, but you don't even know who you're hiding from.

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Or are you trying to act as if you're wisdom is that of your elders, you assume you're the answer to everything, but you're not, you're just low, do you even know what most of those words mean?

You're unstable. You are far too convinced that what is happening to you is really happening.

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Let alone any of your sentences?
I believe not, you just type them as you go, and plot what to reply next, or perhaps are you having somebody else reply for you?

Poor thing. You snapped.

[I got bored one day]

MiaTheOrigin

Death and Misery

There is a stark difference between being alone and being lonely. Some of the greatest men and women of the world lived their lives alone, with acquaintances kept at arms length if not further, fulfilling their social needs and sexual needs by whim rather than by intimate connection. Such was wise. Also do you not understand that humans are selfish? We do not cry for the dead; we cry for ourselves. Even when cut down in our prime we are sorry for our loss, it is the living who suffer, not the dead, so why should I care that nature has taken it's course?

People of relatively close nature have died before. It was only the first time this occurred that I foolishly mourned them prior to discovering I was simply mourning myself. So, I don't function in your worldview, what now?

Educate me.

I totally agree with this. Then, is it possible for a human to be selfless? In a word unconditional love?

No. Such things can only be woven into one's nature; it is not something you can will.

[Zero Payne]

Death and Misery

Zero Payne

But it's still an assumption ; )

It isn't.

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And you do hide, and I'm hiding behind my keyboard, but I know who I am, do you know who you are?

I'm not hiding. You are, but you don't even know who you're hiding from.

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Or are you trying to act as if you're wisdom is that of your elders, you assume you're the answer to everything, but you're not, you're just low, do you even know what most of those words mean?

You're unstable. You are far too convinced that what is happening to you is really happening.

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Let alone any of your sentences?
I believe not, you just type them as you go, and plot what to reply next, or perhaps are you having somebody else reply for you?

Poor thing. You snapped.

On the contrary my dear illogical friend, I didn't snap, I asked further questions to see if you make assumptions again, which you have, only to prove my point, you assume far too much to know anything of which you speak.
I do believe we are all unstable as humans, being how we are all emotional creatures.
And you are hiding, since you make so many assumptions on me, I shall return those assumptions on you, but my end proves more, being how you never reply with anything witty, you just point it out all on me to shine the light on yourself, even though the fashion you did it is low, and over-rated.

[Michael Noire]

thousands of Years ago, Jesus - the head of the Christian faith said "Render unto Caesar what is Caesars". Over a Thousand years before that, a prophet in Jerusalem warns that if the people should elect a king, they will be expected to send some of their sons to war.

Caesar is the head of Rome. Rome took over Britain over a thousand years ago. Druids were almost entirely wiped out. Primitive Christianity eventually followed. When Henry the 8th decided to make up his own religion, after Executing many of his advisers, the version he liked the most was almost a photocopy of the Roman Catholic System. At the time all of the Nobility in Europe could trace bloodlines back to Roman emperors. A few centuries passed and the British empire - the heir of Rome, took over the known world. Eventually it ended up in the Americas, and colonists, with similar, but watered down bloodlines, built the United States. After a certain time, after a very specific war in the 20th century, the British passed the Torch of Hegemony to the Americans.

http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/Fashion/Washington.jpg
-ol' George

Evidence of the Roman and Greek empire is all over the place in Washington DC. As you probably are aware, the new testament was written in Greek. Aristotle - one of the great Greek philosophers, taught Alexander the Great, who created the foundation for the Roman Empire that eventually ruled during the time of Jesus.

So let's look at how this all adds up:

Jesus says render unto Caesar what is Caesars. That includes taxes, but also military service. The United States is basically the modern incarnation of Roman Imperialism, and the Senate (Rome had a Senate...) requests soldiers - even if the reason they are fighting seems pointless. End result?

To be Christian in the United States includes serving as a soldier, even if you don't know why you are fighting over seas, it is not against the commandments of Christianity.

note: I could have spent more time building that up, but meh, whatever.