Blackpeoplemeet.com???? I mean COME ON!! WHY???

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Omorose Panya

Cutie-pie Sleepyhead

No. The first example is broken, sexuality is not a choice, in regards to asking about sexuality that's the end of it. What goes into choosing a partner is far more intricate but also off-topic and a red herring.

Racial preference is a choice, if it were not those who tended towards race X when they were young and finally ended tending towards Y when they got older shouldn't exist. Yet a lot of these people do, especially when it comes to fetish-like behavior.

So, refutation by example.

No, we can influence our preferences, even our sexuality, but we cannot decide our preferences---any of them.

If you prove this we're good to go and I'll concede. Proof is not anecdotal in this case since there's too many variables that could be present including simply not coming to terms to who one is. The reason I'm focusing on this small three words is because that is the crux of my statements.

[Kiumaru]

Cutie-pie Sleepyhead

If you prove this we're good to go and I'll concede. Proof is not anecdotal in this case since there's too many variables that could be present including simply not coming to terms to who one is. The reason I'm focusing on this small three words is because that is the crux of my statements.

Well, do you at least concede that we do not choose our preferences (even in the case of racial preference)? We can influence them, sure, but we don't choose them.

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Kiumaru

Yes, you certainly may change in your racial preference as you're more exposed. But it could possibly be that you still prefer a person of a certain "race" even after exposure to them. Does that mean that you're racist? No. It just means that you prefer one over another. Of course, it's racist if you hold everyone to your standard that "you should/have to like x because _____".

You still don't "choose" your preference, though.

Since preferences are open to change preferences can be consciously set. In this case you're talking about natural inclination but everyone is actually naturally inclined towards their own race; it's PSY101. There are many things that influence your racial attractions though, for instance if you are white born in say Africa and surrounded all of your life by african women chances are you are going to like african women, exposure to non-african races may not have an effect, and I think if I remember shouldn't, I have to look it up.

As for racism, well it depends on how literal you are with the definition. Preferring one race over another is the definition of racism. Does it mean it's wrong? No. Most people would push the more political definition, which is hateful discrimination, and by all means it's not hateful discrimination.

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Kiumaru

Cutie-pie Sleepyhead

If you prove this we're good to go and I'll concede. Proof is not anecdotal in this case since there's too many variables that could be present including simply not coming to terms to who one is. The reason I'm focusing on this small three words is because that is the crux of my statements.

Well, do you at least concede that we do not choose our preferences (even in the case of racial preference)? We can influence them, sure, but we don't choose them.

Because they change, no. Natural inclinations are just that, inclinations, but again fetish-like behaviors and preferences appear in many lives. Assuming you're mature enough the concept of BBC, or Big Black c**k, in America seems to be prevalent amongst other things and the preferences of many women who partake in that type of thinking and fetish-like behavior are contrary perhaps to how they grew up.

Actually other stereotypes are also at work, for instance "redheads are wild in bed" and the like; these preferences are also shown to change based on social norms and perhaps simple experience ( man has sex with 4 women, two redheads, two brunettes, likes the redheads more for whatever reason, formulates preference based on those encounters ).

[Gho the Girl]

Cutie-pie Sleepyhead

Kiumaru

Cutie-pie Sleepyhead

If you prove this we're good to go and I'll concede. Proof is not anecdotal in this case since there's too many variables that could be present including simply not coming to terms to who one is. The reason I'm focusing on this small three words is because that is the crux of my statements.

Well, do you at least concede that we do not choose our preferences (even in the case of racial preference)? We can influence them, sure, but we don't choose them.

Because they change, no. Natural inclinations are just that, inclinations, but again fetish-like behaviors and preferences appear in many lives. Assuming you're mature enough the concept of BBC, or Big Black c**k, in America seems to be prevalent amongst other things and the preferences of many women who partake in that type of thinking and fetish-like behavior are contrary perhaps to how they grew up.

So because the quality changes it is choice?

Do I choose to age?

Do people choose to become type II diabetes? (note: this is not the same as choosing to follow a pattern of lifestyle that increases one's risk for it)

[Kiumaru]

Cutie-pie Sleepyhead

Because they change, no. Natural inclinations are just that, inclinations, but again fetish-like behaviors and preferences appear in many lives. Assuming you're mature enough the concept of BBC, or Big Black c**k, in America seems to be prevalent amongst other things and the preferences of many women who partake in that type of thinking and fetish-like behavior are contrary perhaps to how they grew up.

Just because they change doesn't mean you choose your preference. You can choose to live somewhere where you will be exposed to more people and have your preference change but you do not choose your preference. I didn't make a choice that "I prefer ____ over _____." I can make an active effort to change it, however. But being influenced is different than choosing. Choice is an active action. It's something that you consciously do. You don't actively do that in preference.

Let's make an example:

I prefer strawberries to watermelons. I don't know why but I simply do. I want to like them equally (for whatever reason) so I start eating a lot more watermelon. Eventually, my preference changes. Did I change my preference by simply deciding "I like watermelon more than strawberries now"? No. I did make a choice to try and change it, though, but that's influence not choice on the preference.

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Gho the Girl

So because the quality changes it is choice?

Now now, it can be a choice. Natural inclinations are not choices, but they can change as you grow based on a multitude of things.

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Do I choose to age?

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Do people choose to become type II diabetes? (note: this is not the same as choosing to follow a pattern of lifestyle that increases one's risk for it)

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These aren't examples of preferences... so... ???

[Gho the Girl]

Kiumaru

Cutie-pie Sleepyhead

Because they change, no. Natural inclinations are just that, inclinations, but again fetish-like behaviors and preferences appear in many lives. Assuming you're mature enough the concept of BBC, or Big Black c**k, in America seems to be prevalent amongst other things and the preferences of many women who partake in that type of thinking and fetish-like behavior are contrary perhaps to how they grew up.

Just because they change doesn't mean you choose your preference. You can choose to live somewhere where you will be exposed to more people and have your preference change but you do not choose your preference. I didn't make a choice that "I prefer ____ over _____." I can make an active effort to change it, however. But being influenced is different than choosing. Choice is an active action. It's something that you consciously do. You don't actively do that in preference.

When I first tasted scotch, I thought it was disgusting. I overcame it with effort and practice.

If I gave a concentrated effort, I suppose I could alter my sexual preference to include black people. However, that would probably require a lot of not just sex, but good sex, meaning the amount of actual sex would be so high as to be unadvisable due to the risk of contracting a STI.

[Kiumaru]

Gho the Girl

When I first tasted scotch, I thought it was disgusting. I overcame it with effort and practice.

If I gave a concentrated effort, I suppose I could alter my sexual preference to include black people. However, that would probably require a lot of not just sex, but good sex, meaning the amount of actual sex would be so high as to be unadvisable due to the risk of contracting a STI.

So why did you quote my post without referencing it at all? Did you disagree with something in it?

[Gho the Girl]

Cutie-pie Sleepyhead

Gho the Girl

So because the quality changes it is choice?

Now now, it can be a choice. Natural inclinations are not choices, but they can change as you grow based on a multitude of things.

Isn't sexuality a natural inclination?

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Do I choose to age?

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Do people choose to become type II diabetes? (note: this is not the same as choosing to follow a pattern of lifestyle that increases one's risk for it)

Um...

These aren't examples of preferences... so... ???

You said that you felt it was a choice due to the fact that it changes.

My sexual identity has changed over time, due to many varied experiences that have altered it. But I didn't choose coming out the gate to be gay, nor do I now choose to be queer.

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Kiumaru

Gho the Girl

When I first tasted scotch, I thought it was disgusting. I overcame it with effort and practice.

If I gave a concentrated effort, I suppose I could alter my sexual preference to include black people. However, that would probably require a lot of not just sex, but good sex, meaning the amount of actual sex would be so high as to be unadvisable due to the risk of contracting a STI.

So why did you quote my post without referencing it at all? Did you disagree with something in it?

Sorry, sometimes I piggy back, I quote in agreement. Instead of just saying QFT I offer some feedback that furthers the previous point.

This isn't always clear, and so I apologise.

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Kiumaru

Cutie-pie Sleepyhead

Because they change, no. Natural inclinations are just that, inclinations, but again fetish-like behaviors and preferences appear in many lives. Assuming you're mature enough the concept of BBC, or Big Black c**k, in America seems to be prevalent amongst other things and the preferences of many women who partake in that type of thinking and fetish-like behavior are contrary perhaps to how they grew up.

Just because they change doesn't mean you choose your preference.

So, essentially your preferences change without your input? I am very happy I am not you. I made a conscious decision that I like a certain color hair, a certain build, and other peculiarities in my partners.

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You can choose to live somewhere where you will be exposed to more people and have your preference change but you do not choose your preference.

Actually that's one thing that makes this backwards. You can choose to live in an asian country and not like asians, while you're there your preference probably won't change if you are consciously aware you do not like asians. To be a little less extreme if you live in a neighborhood filled with one race that you do not like you will not pursue on the grounds that you live there. Then again, maybe that's you? I can't say.

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I didn't make a choice that "I prefer ____ over _____."

There are two components at work here:

1. Natural Inclination.

2. Conscious Choice.

You can choose to pursue or set a specific set of traits that you find attractive based on your experiences, etc. You are born inclined towards a specific set, however, however that set is generally made up of people who look like you. So if you are white and you find yourself liking black women or latinas or whatever else races you have in America that is not natural inclination. Are all choices necessarily dwelt upon? No. So the fact that you think black chicks are hot doesn't mean you sat and plotted it out, maybe you just decided a specific trait often found in black women is hot, etc. etc. and this literally goes into a ridiculous list of possibilities.

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I can make an active effort to change it, however. But being influenced is different than choosing. Choice is an active action. It's something that you consciously do. You don't actively do that in preference.

Well, no, not in your example. Your example is bad because it acts to surround and encompass with acting on eventuality and accidently disproves itself; If you liked white men, then we moved you to asian land, and you liked asian men, that means that you're either A. A whore, B. A mindless robot of a human, or C. adapting. The correct answer however is D. none of the above.

White guys who live in white neighborhoods that don't like white women aren't condemned to marry white on the grounds that they live in white neighborhoods.

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Gho the Girl

Isn't sexuality a natural inclination?

No. It's not an inclination. Inclinations are soft, sexuality is hard, er "hardwired". You cannot change it.

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Do I choose to age?

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Do people choose to become type II diabetes? (note: this is not the same as choosing to follow a pattern of lifestyle that increases one's risk for it)

Um...

These aren't examples of preferences... so... ???

You said that you felt it was a choice due to the fact that it changes.

My sexual identity has changed over time, due to many varied experiences that have altered it. But I didn't choose coming out the gate to be gay, nor do I now choose to be queer.

At least match medium, these are physical issues, not issues of a psychological sort. It really is just a bad example.

[Kiumaru]

Okay, I concede that my examples are rather lacking. I apologize because the creation of analogies is not my strong suit. Anyway, onto a specific point:

Cutie-pie Sleepyhead

So, essentially your preferences change without your input? I am very happy I am not you. I made a conscious decision that I like a certain color hair, a certain build, and other peculiarities in my partners.

So you decided x, y, and z characteristic within a person? Are you sure that you simply weren't just naming the characteristics that you like within a person which was already decided by your unconscious and such?

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Kiumaru

Okay, I concede that my examples are rather lacking. I apologize because the creation of analogies is not my strong suit. Anyway, onto a specific point:

Cutie-pie Sleepyhead

So, essentially your preferences change without your input? I am very happy I am not you. I made a conscious decision that I like a certain color hair, a certain build, and other peculiarities in my partners.

So you decided x, y, and z characteristic within a person? Are you sure that you simply weren't just naming the characteristics that you like within a person which was already decided by your unconscious and such?

Yes, I'm sure. I can attest that my preferences have changed, drastically, without the surroundings needing change at all.