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One of the world’s most respected scientists is embroiled in an extraordinary row after claiming that black people are less intelligent than white people.

James Watson, a Nobel Prize winner for his part in discovering the structure of DNA, has provoked outrage with his comments, made ahead of his arrival in Britain today.

More fierce criticism of the eminent scientist is expected as he embarks on a number of engagements to promote a new book ‘Avoid Boring People: Lessons from a Life in Science’. Among his first commitments is a speech to a London audience at the Science Museum on Friday. The event is sold out.

Dr Watson, who runs one of America’s leading scientific research institutions, made the controversial remarks in an interview in The Sunday Times.

The 79-year-old geneticist said he was “inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa” because “all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours - whereas all the testing says not really.". He said he hoped that everyone was equal, but countered that “people who have to deal with black employees find this not true”.

He says that you should not discriminate on the basis of colour, because “there are many people of colour who are very talented, but don’t promote them when they haven’t succeeded at the lower level”. He writes that “there is no firm reason to anticipate that the intellectual capacities of peoples geographically separated in their evolution should prove to have evolved identically. Our wanting to reserve equal powers of reason as some universal heritage of humanity will not be enough to make it so”.

He claimed genes responsible for creating differences in human intelligence could be found within a decade.

The newly formed Equality and Human Rights Commission is studying Dr Watson’s remarks “in full”.

Keith Vaz, the Labour chairman of the Home Affairs Select Committee, said today: “It is sad to see a scientist of such achievement making such baseless, unscientific and extremely offensive comments.

“I am sure the scientific community will roundly reject what appear to be Dr Watson’s personal prejudices. These comments serve as a reminder of the attitudes which can still exist at the highest professional levels.”

Dr Watson was hailed as achieving one of the greatest single scientific breakthroughs of the 20th century when he worked at the University of Cambridge in the 1950s and 1960s, forming part of the team which discovered the structure of DNA.

He shared the 1962 Nobel Prize for medicine with his British colleague Francis Crick and New Zealand-born Maurice Wilkins.
People in Africa might not have the same sources to education that we have.

And someone's attitude =/= intelligence.
The topic I want to discuss isn't really his comment, it's is it right to basically throw someone out of the science community because they said something society doesn't agree with? many people were ostracized over evolution when it wasn't "socially correct" isn't this the same thing?
O_o'' where the Hell did you find this?

Gimmie a source.
smokaccino
People in Africa might not have the same sources to education that we have.

And someone's attitude =/= intelligence.


or the envierment didn't require them to have as much brain mass
Seth_God
O_o'' where the Hell did you find this?

Gimmie a source.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article2677098.ece
Well, if he's can't back up his theory with scientific tests and data, then it just makes him look like an old bigot. >>;


@ link2822:
What 'envierment' are you referring to? And how would it constrict the growing of brain mass?
im shocked really i had heard about this a few days ago, this kind of rediculous stuff was attempted in the anthropology and sociology feilds back in the late 1800's and was quicky dissproven.

i wasnt even aware that the HGDP (human genome diversity progect) had even discovered what part of the dna defined intelligence let alone was able to differentiate who is more intelligent and who isnt.

sounds like a bunch of s**t to me.
I think the problem is more with the work ethic in the US and Europe being different than the work ethic there, in general.

I have a family member who knows someone who went to Africa with the intention of teaching the people there how to farm so that they could make money and get a surplus, so that they could then afford to modernize. Several weeks were spent teaching a group of people how to run the machines, how to maintain the equipment and the fields, etc.

What ended up happening was that as soon as the people made a week's worth of money, they would stop working and take a week off to spend that money. The machines would go uncared for, and the plants would fail to thrive. The entire process would have to start over again.

The story is second hand at the least, so there might be some important facts left out.

If this is the same situation that Watson is thinking of, he may be using that work ethic as a factor of intelligence: Smart people work to get ahead, dumb people don't. Of course, I can't speak for him, so I am assuming that this is a possible train of thought.

Personally, I think that intelligence is more a product of nurture than nature. There might be an intelligence gene that sets a rough cap on what can be achieved, but the influences of society and the individual's personal drive determine how much of that is acutally achieved.
smokaccino
Well, if he's can't back up his theory with scientific tests and data, then it just makes him look like an old bigot. >>;


@ link2822:
What 'envierment' are you referring to? And how would it constrict the growing of brain mass?


Africa is quite a worm place all year round, constrict would be an improper word to use because that is the level of intelligence that they would need so there biology isn't wirered to produce as much as other races. when migrateing to higher altadueds winters are longer and colder promoting more powerful cognitive skills to survive the winters. in essence the winters killed off the "idiots"
It's entirely true.
I salute him.
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Funny how the Ghanian Princess who speaks three languages in my old highschool (which was the most prestigious all girls highschool in the Bronx, if not NYC) was much better at writing and history- naturally, than anyone in the entire senior class. Including my white, somewhat naturally intelligent self (I don't study biggrin ).
That's bullshit. If anything, perhaps the schools are not that great over there (suprising?) with the children having responsibilities other than their education in a poor economy compared to a Western middle class.
How ridiculous.
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The topic I want to discuss isn't really his comment, it's is it right to basically throw someone out of the science community because they said something society doesn't agree with? many people were ostracized over evolution when it wasn't "socially correct" isn't this the same thing?

Evolution was a radical, progressive idea that had Darwin's observations in the Galapogos to support it. This guy's archaic, racist, notions are pure unfounded bigotry.
bluerain202
Funny how the Ghanian Princess who speaks three languages in my old highschool (which was the most prestigious all girls highschool in the Bronx, if not NYC) was much better at writing and history- naturally, than anyone in the entire senior class. Including my white, somewhat naturally intelligent self (I don't study biggrin ).
That's bullshit. If anything, perhaps the schools are not that great over there (suprising?) with the children having responsibilities other than their education in a poor economy compared to a Western middle class.
How ridiculous.


you are missunderstanding the meaning. the avrage, every day normal black is less intelagant than the avrage every day normal white. of corse there are going to be einestines here and there but those are the out liers. and of cose there are going to be mentally retarted people in both races but they are also out liers.
link2822
smokaccino
Well, if he's can't back up his theory with scientific tests and data, then it just makes him look like an old bigot. >>;


@ link2822:
What 'envierment' are you referring to? And how would it constrict the growing of brain mass?


Africa is quite a worm place all year round, constrict would be an improper word to use because that is the level of intelligence that they would need so there biology isn't wirered to produce as much as other races. when migrateing to higher altadueds winters are longer and colder promoting more powerful cognitive skills to survive the winters. in essence the winters killed off the "idiots"

No, winters killed off the weak. And just because someone can survive through snow, it doesn't make them a genius. African people have to find a way to get water, which the 'high altitude' people don't, since they just have to make a fire to melt down the snow.

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