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Alright, what was Darwin's evidence? If he had more then "I see this thus it must be true" I would love to know about it. post source please.

This is not a debate about evolution, and I'm not going to debate evolution here.

You made an irrelevant logical fallacy ("Scientists were mocked in the past when they were right. This guy is being mocked. Therefore this guy is right." ) by trying to draw an analogy between evolution and this. I pointed out that your analogy was broken; what I should have done is told you that the argument in itself was flawed. Which it is. So don't use it to derail debate.


I think this guy is WRONG. I was simply stating I do not believe he should be out casted from the scientific community. My other post were simply trying to go with the flow of the debate.
Making statements based on personal opinions which were borne out of prejudice and generalised assumptions is hardly a scientific way of going about things.

I don't see why this kind of thinking should be accepted in the scientific community.
Foetus In Fetu
Making statements based on personal opinions which were borne out of prejudice and generalised assumptions is hardly a scientific way of going about things.

I don't see why this kind of thinking should be accepted in the scientific community.


I'm not disagreeing with your first statment I just want to know what led you to believe that he could not possibly have a logical reason for believing what he does?
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Alright, what was Darwin's evidence? If he had more then "I see this thus it must be true" I would love to know about it. post source please.

This is not a debate about evolution, and I'm not going to debate evolution here.

You made an irrelevant logical fallacy ("Scientists were mocked in the past when they were right. This guy is being mocked. Therefore this guy is right." ) by trying to draw an analogy between evolution and this. I pointed out that your analogy was broken; what I should have done is told you that the argument in itself was flawed. Which it is. So don't use it to derail debate.


I think this guy is WRONG. I was simply stating I do not believe he should be out casted from the scientific community. My other post were simply trying to go with the flow of the debate.

Actually, you are wrong because he didn't say one untruthfu thing. Your intentions are not important. Your actions (or words) are what shows. Too bad that by "going with the flow" you also created what he rightfully described as an irrelevant logical fallacy. Actually, you have two of them here (the other one is equating a "bad economic environment" to being black). You would do better in your debates if you talked with less general assumptions.
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Foetus In Fetu
Making statements based on personal opinions which were borne out of prejudice and generalised assumptions is hardly a scientific way of going about things.

I don't see why this kind of thinking should be accepted in the scientific community.


I'm not disagreeing with your first statment I just want to know what led you to believe that he could not possibly have a logical reason for believing what he does?

The fact that he hasn't provided one.
Foetus In Fetu
Making statements based on personal opinions which were borne out of prejudice and generalised assumptions is hardly a scientific way of going about things.

I don't see why this kind of thinking should be accepted in the scientific community.


But thats how it works everything is born out of prejudice and generalised assumptions
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Foetus In Fetu
Making statements based on personal opinions which were borne out of prejudice and generalised assumptions is hardly a scientific way of going about things.

I don't see why this kind of thinking should be accepted in the scientific community.


I'm not disagreeing with your first statment I just want to know what led you to believe that he could not possibly have a logical reason for believing what he does?

If he did, where is it? Obviously if his rant has some merit he would have made himself look more credible. Opinions need to be backed up. Saying "well maybe he *could* have backed it up is not an excuse, especially when there IS NO hard information to back any of these claims up, even though you are desperatly trying to make up some.
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Foetus In Fetu
Making statements based on personal opinions which were borne out of prejudice and generalised assumptions is hardly a scientific way of going about things.

I don't see why this kind of thinking should be accepted in the scientific community.


But thats how it works everything is born out of prejudice and generalised assumptions

That may be how soceity works, but it is not how science works.
bluerain202
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Foetus In Fetu
Making statements based on personal opinions which were borne out of prejudice and generalised assumptions is hardly a scientific way of going about things.

I don't see why this kind of thinking should be accepted in the scientific community.


But thats how it works everything is born out of prejudice and generalised assumptions

That may be how soceity works, but it is not how science works.


there is a assumption that we can make a engine what could make a trip to mars 2 hours long by 2010-12
No examples. No observation and no experiments

it's just assumption that there is a faster dimention(sp)
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Foetus In Fetu
Making statements based on personal opinions which were borne out of prejudice and generalised assumptions is hardly a scientific way of going about things.

I don't see why this kind of thinking should be accepted in the scientific community.


But thats how it works everything is born out of prejudice and generalised assumptions

That may be how soceity works, but it is not how science works.


there is a assumption that we can make a engine what could make a trip to mars 2 hours long by 2010-12
No examples. No observation and no experiments

it's just assumption that there is a faster dimention(sp)

That's called a goal or prediction. Not a theory or fact. Because it has to do with science doesn't mean anything, we're talking on scientific terms with the scientific theory. I'm sure you learned it in one of your highschool science classes, if not, you will.
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Honestly it would be appropiate for me to put a picture of George W. Bush here, but that might be a bit inappropiate of a response.
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One of the world’s most respected scientists is embroiled in an extraordinary row after claiming that black people are less intelligent than white people.

James Watson, a Nobel Prize winner for his part in discovering the structure of DNA, has provoked outrage with his comments, made ahead of his arrival in Britain today.

More fierce criticism of the eminent scientist is expected as he embarks on a number of engagements to promote a new book ‘Avoid Boring People: Lessons from a Life in Science’. Among his first commitments is a speech to a London audience at the Science Museum on Friday. The event is sold out.

Dr Watson, who runs one of America’s leading scientific research institutions, made the controversial remarks in an interview in The Sunday Times.

The 79-year-old geneticist said he was “inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa” because “all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours - whereas all the testing says not really.". He said he hoped that everyone was equal, but countered that “people who have to deal with black employees find this not true”.

He says that you should not discriminate on the basis of colour, because “there are many people of colour who are very talented, but don’t promote them when they haven’t succeeded at the lower level”. He writes that “there is no firm reason to anticipate that the intellectual capacities of peoples geographically separated in their evolution should prove to have evolved identically. Our wanting to reserve equal powers of reason as some universal heritage of humanity will not be enough to make it so”.

He claimed genes responsible for creating differences in human intelligence could be found within a decade.

The newly formed Equality and Human Rights Commission is studying Dr Watson’s remarks “in full”.

Keith Vaz, the Labour chairman of the Home Affairs Select Committee, said today: “It is sad to see a scientist of such achievement making such baseless, unscientific and extremely offensive comments.

“I am sure the scientific community will roundly reject what appear to be Dr Watson’s personal prejudices. These comments serve as a reminder of the attitudes which can still exist at the highest professional levels.”

Dr Watson was hailed as achieving one of the greatest single scientific breakthroughs of the 20th century when he worked at the University of Cambridge in the 1950s and 1960s, forming part of the team which discovered the structure of DNA.

He shared the 1962 Nobel Prize for medicine with his British colleague Francis Crick and New Zealand-born Maurice Wilkins.


Sorry, but you're a bit late. . Let's make this interesting, though-anyone want to start a betting pool on just how often we're going to see this post over the next set of months?We could make it the "We're really prejudiced because it's trendy and it's good for LULZ('cuz the internet is serious business!) guild" and place bets on who's going to post this with such buzzwords as "freedom", "speech", "affirmative action", and even give out a bonus if that apologist Myspace letter shows up again!I think it would be great...who's with me?
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Foetus In Fetu
Making statements based on personal opinions which were borne out of prejudice and generalised assumptions is hardly a scientific way of going about things.

I don't see why this kind of thinking should be accepted in the scientific community.


But thats how it works everything is born out of prejudice and generalised assumptions

That may be how soceity works, but it is not how science works.


there is a assumption that we can make a engine what could make a trip to mars 2 hours long by 2010-12
No examples. No observation and no experiments

it's just assumption that there is a faster dimention(sp)

That's called a goal or prediction. Not a theory or fact. Because it has to do with science doesn't mean anything, we're talking on scientific terms with the scientific theory. I'm sure you learned it in one of your highschool science classes, if not, you will.


it's a theory that there is a faster dimension not a goal or prediction
it's a unproven theory
like Mr Watson unproven theory that black people are less intelligent than white people.

do we have hard information to back up this faster dimension no only some persons theory that there is
yet the US air Force is pumping cash in to it.

so if he came out with information saying "yes he right black people are less intelligent"

would this row of stated?
would his views be seen as extremely offensive?
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Foetus In Fetu
Making statements based on personal opinions which were borne out of prejudice and generalised assumptions is hardly a scientific way of going about things.

I don't see why this kind of thinking should be accepted in the scientific community.


But thats how it works everything is born out of prejudice and generalised assumptions

That may be how soceity works, but it is not how science works.


there is a assumption that we can make a engine what could make a trip to mars 2 hours long by 2010-12
No examples. No observation and no experiments

it's just assumption that there is a faster dimention(sp)

That's called a goal or prediction. Not a theory or fact. Because it has to do with science doesn't mean anything, we're talking on scientific terms with the scientific theory. I'm sure you learned it in one of your highschool science classes, if not, you will.


it's a theory that there is a faster dimension not a goal or prediction
it's a unproven theory
like Mr Watson unproven theory that black people are less intelligent than white people.

do we have hard information to back up this faster dimension no only some persons theory that there is
yet the US air Force is pumping cash in to it.

so if he came out with information saying "yes he right black people are less intelligent"

would this row of stated?
would his views be seen as extremely offensive?

Honestly, If you actually showed me what you were talking about I could have a conversation with you about this "faster dimension" blah blah. I'm assuming you're talking about attempting to reach the speed of light, problem is the faster a thing goes the heavier it's mass becomes. Actually, does that even have anything to do with what you're saying? Want to post a link?

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