Black people 'less intelligent' scientist claims

[Foetus In Fetu]

If all you're going to do is to lift an article verbatim from timesonline.co.uk the least you could do is put the link in the first post.

link2822

you are missunderstanding the meaning. the avrage, every day normal black is less intelagant than the avrage every day normal white. of corse there are going to be einestines here and there but those are the out liers. and of cose there are going to be mentally retarted people in both races but they are also out liers.

Source or GTFO.

Ohhh right... you don't have one.

[bluerain202]

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bluerain202

Funny how the Ghanian Princess who speaks three languages in my old highschool (which was the most prestigious all girls highschool in the Bronx, if not NYC) was much better at writing and history- naturally, than anyone in the entire senior class. Including my white, somewhat naturally intelligent self (I don't study biggrin ).
That's bullshit. If anything, perhaps the schools are not that great over there (suprising?) with the children having responsibilities other than their education in a poor economy compared to a Western middle class.
How ridiculous.

you are missunderstanding the meaning. the avrage, every day normal black is less intelagant than the avrage every day normal white. of corse there are going to be einestines here and there but those are the out liers. and of cose there are going to be mentally retarted people in both races but they are also out liers.

Sorry but there were plenty of normal black women in my school I can name 10 offhand, they were as intelligent, if not more so than their white counterparts. It's bullshit. I know PLENTY of intelligent black people. I know some people who also grew up in the same black community as me and dumbed themselves down to be cool, but this has nothing to do with their capabilities. The only thing that I can see that separates blacks from whites is society and what interests the black/white community has. It has nothing to do with capacity or intelligence. God, you don't know how many AMAZING regular people who just happen to be black I know. In fact, MOST black people I know are highly intelligent.
Just becasue some high up on his horse scientist is a racist doesn't make racism suddenly acceptable or intelligent.

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The only way to ever scientifically prove this point would be to take 50 white kids and 50 black kids into a classroom (preferably alone - no distractions) and teach them at the same levels while giving them all the same amount of attention. Do this for a year, then take an aptitude test over the materials learned.

[Vervex]

bluerain202

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The topic I want to discuss isn't really his comment, it's is it right to basically throw someone out of the science community because they said something society doesn't agree with? many people were ostracized over evolution when it wasn't "socially correct" isn't this the same thing?

Evolution was a radical, progressive idea that had Darwin's observations in the Galapogos to support it. This guy's archaic, racist, notions are pure unfounded bigotry.

Firstly evolution was considered very racist centuries ago, it claimed that whites came later thus were more "advanced" Darwin was completely unfounded his theory was based entirely off of thing he saw at different islands.

[bluerain202]

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bluerain202

Vervex

The topic I want to discuss isn't really his comment, it's is it right to basically throw someone out of the science community because they said something society doesn't agree with? many people were ostracized over evolution when it wasn't "socially correct" isn't this the same thing?

Evolution was a radical, progressive idea that had Darwin's observations in the Galapogos to support it. This guy's archaic, racist, notions are pure unfounded bigotry.

Firstly evolution was considered very racist centuries ago, it claimed that whites came later thus were more "advanced" Darwin was completely unfounded his theory was based entirely off of thing he saw at different islands.

Considored racist? Because it didn't kiss the a** of the white man?
Yeah, funny how evolution is still respected today.. his theory isn't unfounded and has gained support from more recent findings. Try opening up a National Geographic once in your life.

[Vervex]

smokaccino

The only way to ever scientifically prove this point would be to take 50 white kids and 50 black kids into a classroom (preferably alone - no distractions) and teach them at the same levels while giving them all the same amount of attention. Do this for a year, then take an aptitude test over the materials learned.

That still leaves out how they were raised, for example it is a FACT that peoples scholastic achievement is proportional to their parents (biological or not). black people (In America at least) have a lower GPA, SAT score and lower probability to go on to college on average thus meaning there children would follow this path.

Side note: Studies show that Afro-American children raised by whites have the same scholastic path as white children.

Source is Wikipedia and off line publications.

[bluerain202]

smokaccino

The only way to ever scientifically prove this point would be to take 50 white kids and 50 black kids into a classroom (preferably alone - no distractions) and teach them at the same levels while giving them all the same amount of attention. Do this for a year, then take an aptitude test over the materials learned.

Actually, even so, that is merely an experiment. I assure you, varying results could be taken if it was repeated. If a much larger number of black/whites were taken equally from all over, then maybe I could say it could get some grounding. But statistics just don't speak for individuals, and intelligence is very much so a matter of the individual.
And what is average? Apparently any black kid who is smart is above average and any white kid who is smart is just average? Not only is this based upon absolutely NOTHING, it doesn't even sound logically plausible.

[Outrun The Halfling]

I heard about this and I don't pity the him at all. From what I read, he didn't provide much of an actual argument to support his statement other than blatant bigotry. Any difference in "intelligence" that might show up in tests aren't done from actual studies of the brain, but rather from tests constructed based on assumptions of a person's education level. If we look at our society, however, we're going to find a huge difference in the kinds of environments that minorities live in than whites for the most part. Why? Because minorities compose the majority of our poor, and living in poor neighborhoods has an effect on one's education.

[bluerain202]

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smokaccino

The only way to ever scientifically prove this point would be to take 50 white kids and 50 black kids into a classroom (preferably alone - no distractions) and teach them at the same levels while giving them all the same amount of attention. Do this for a year, then take an aptitude test over the materials learned.

That still leaves out how they were raised, for example it is a FACT that peoples scholastic achievement is proportional to their parents (biological or not). black people (In America at least) have a lower GPA, SAT score and lower probability to go on to college on average thus meaning there children would follow this path.

Side note: Studies show that Afro-American children raised by whites have the same scholastic path as white children.

Source is Wikipedia and off line publications.

Not only is this just a sterotype, but this line proves that it is merely an attitude of culture. Also many other factors are left out such as economic income and number of siblings.
If it makes you a bit less bigoted, the smart black people who I know all have black parents.

[Kemeoth_Othyre]

Given only if these statistics are true, the long history of being barred from education, not having money for school--not even one and half generations ago--I think the mindset for success is slowly coming back to Blacks.

[Vervex]

bluerain202

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bluerain202

Vervex

The topic I want to discuss isn't really his comment, it's is it right to basically throw someone out of the science community because they said something society doesn't agree with? many people were ostracized over evolution when it wasn't "socially correct" isn't this the same thing?

Evolution was a radical, progressive idea that had Darwin's observations in the Galapogos to support it. This guy's archaic, racist, notions are pure unfounded bigotry.

Firstly evolution was considered very racist centuries ago, it claimed that whites came later thus were more "advanced" Darwin was completely unfounded his theory was based entirely off of thing he saw at different islands.

Considored racist? Because it didn't kiss the a** of the white man?
Yeah, funny how evolution is still respected today.. his theory isn't unfounded and has gained support from more recent findings. Try opening up a National Geographic once in your life.

Actually the Afro-American population to this day polled the lowest when ask if they believe in evolution. Of course NOW it isn't unfounded but it WAS when he published it.

Also I am a huge national geographic collector. I have issues from the 1930's.

[bluerain202]

Outrun The Halfling

I heard about this and I don't pity the him at all. From what I read, he didn't provide much of an actual argument to support his statement other than blatant bigotry. Any difference in "intelligence" that might show up in tests aren't done from actual studies of the brain, but rather from tests constructed based on assumptions of a person's education level. If we look at our society, however, we're going to find a huge difference in the kinds of environments that minorities live in than whites for the most part. Why? Because minorities compose the majority of our poor, and living in poor neighborhoods has an effect on one's education.

Thank you! But let us remind you that black people still have the capacity to learn as well as whites. It doesn't always hold true that blacks will have worse grades than whites. Plenty of black girls in my school came from poorer middle class families than I, but they were able to achieve because they went to a good school.

[Comrade Texada Wolf]

The guy not racist it's a idea you know what scientist are paid to do
Freaking PC

[Outrun The Halfling]

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smokaccino

The only way to ever scientifically prove this point would be to take 50 white kids and 50 black kids into a classroom (preferably alone - no distractions) and teach them at the same levels while giving them all the same amount of attention. Do this for a year, then take an aptitude test over the materials learned.

That still leaves out how they were raised, for example it is a FACT that peoples scholastic achievement is proportional to their parents (biological or not). black people (In America at least) have a lower GPA, SAT score and lower probability to go on to college on average thus meaning there children would follow this path.

Side note: Studies show that Afro-American children raised by whites have the same scholastic path as white children.

Source is Wikipedia and off line publications.

For one, "off line publications" meaning what? If you can't provide a list of sources to really support your argument, then please don't bring it up.
As for the testing results, at the end of the day, that means very little because of the fact that the kinds of results that you're going to be getting from them is dependent on the kind of environment these individuals have lived in. Take black students who are within the same economic status as white kids and you're likely to get the same exact kind of testing result. Unfortunately, all of these studies don't tend to take into account that minorities compose the majority of this country's poor. And guess how that effects a students testings? It's hard to get complete straight A's out of every student when the class rooms are far too over crowded and the resources are outdated.