Avatar Movie: Yellowfacing in Hollywood

[That_comic_guy]

Vixianna

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Reception, It made 9 mil in America. Not a Success by any means, it has a 13% fresh on rotten tomatoes. Also it cost, $120 mil. So they lost ******** money. It was a ******** flop, it was a flop because it's in the negative, even though it "didn't appeal to the fans" who by the way number near 1 billion counting internationally.

So where is it stated anyway Dead, that by dent of having Asians a movie is pandering to the fans, and it will therefore flop. Or ANY movie that panders to the fans flops. Because I have a host of Deathnote movies in Japan that says you are wrong.

[Vixianna]

sad I can't see your pic Comic. I'm sure it was funny too.

[That_comic_guy]

Vixianna

sad I can't see your pic Comic. I'm sure it was funny too.

Damn it PB must I have do everything myself!

Edit:

Oh well they moved or it got deleted. Here's the second best one.



Happy Black history month.

[deadguy]

Vixianna

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Reception, It made 9 mil in America. Not a Success by any means, it has a 13% fresh on rotten tomatoes. Also it cost, $120 mil. So they lost ******** money. It was a ******** flop, it was a flop because it's in the negative, even though it "didn't appeal to the fans" who by the way number near 1 billion counting internationally.

So where is it stated anyway Dead, that by dent of having Asians a movie is pandering to the fans, and it will therefore flop. Or ANY movie that panders to the fans flops. Because I have a host of Deathnote movies in Japan that says you are wrong.

It isn't, which is my point. Spellbinding keeps bringing this movie up as some sort of example of a great movie which appealed to its fans and was super special awesome and everyone loved, even though it made no money.

And I wasn't referring to having Asians in it as pandering to fans, I was referring to our discussion a couple months ago as to whether or not a movie could be a success just by attracting fans of the series, without considering non-fans. You claimed that by sticking strictly to the show's base, it would brake sales records by virtue of fan viewings alone, I claimed that was a stupid idea and they needed to expand their audience past fans of the cartoon in order to make real money. According to Spellbinding, this movie was a very strict adaption which held exactly onto the original in almost everywhere, and flopped horribly. At the very least it doesn't help your argument, though I'll admit it's also not proof that not trying to expand your base leads to a failure of a movie either.

[Akira Fudoh]

deadguy

Vixianna

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Reception, It made 9 mil in America. Not a Success by any means, it has a 13% fresh on rotten tomatoes. Also it cost, $120 mil. So they lost ******** money. It was a ******** flop, it was a flop because it's in the negative, even though it "didn't appeal to the fans" who by the way number near 1 billion counting internationally.

So where is it stated anyway Dead, that by dent of having Asians a movie is pandering to the fans, and it will therefore flop. Or ANY movie that panders to the fans flops. Because I have a host of Deathnote movies in Japan that says you are wrong.

It isn't, which is my point. Spellbinding keeps bringing this movie up as some sort of example of a great movie which appealed to its fans and was super special awesome and everyone loved, even though it made no money.

And I wasn't referring to having Asians in it as pandering to fans, I was referring to our discussion a couple months ago as to whether or not a movie could be a success just by attracting fans of the series, without considering non-fans. You claimed that by sticking strictly to the show's base, it would brake sales records by virtue of fan viewings alone, I claimed that was a stupid idea and they needed to expand their audience past fans of the cartoon in order to make real money. According to Spellbinding, this movie was a very strict adaption which held exactly onto the original in almost everywhere, and flopped horribly. At the very least it doesn't help your argument, though I'll admit it's also not proof that not trying to expand your base leads to a failure of a movie either.

Is Avatar even running on tv anymore?

[Appel Juice]

Akira Fudoh

deadguy

Vixianna

X

Reception, It made 9 mil in America. Not a Success by any means, it has a 13% fresh on rotten tomatoes. Also it cost, $120 mil. So they lost ******** money. It was a ******** flop, it was a flop because it's in the negative, even though it "didn't appeal to the fans" who by the way number near 1 billion counting internationally.

So where is it stated anyway Dead, that by dent of having Asians a movie is pandering to the fans, and it will therefore flop. Or ANY movie that panders to the fans flops. Because I have a host of Deathnote movies in Japan that says you are wrong.

It isn't, which is my point. Spellbinding keeps bringing this movie up as some sort of example of a great movie which appealed to its fans and was super special awesome and everyone loved, even though it made no money.

And I wasn't referring to having Asians in it as pandering to fans, I was referring to our discussion a couple months ago as to whether or not a movie could be a success just by attracting fans of the series, without considering non-fans. You claimed that by sticking strictly to the show's base, it would brake sales records by virtue of fan viewings alone, I claimed that was a stupid idea and they needed to expand their audience past fans of the cartoon in order to make real money. According to Spellbinding, this movie was a very strict adaption which held exactly onto the original in almost everywhere, and flopped horribly. At the very least it doesn't help your argument, though I'll admit it's also not proof that not trying to expand your base leads to a failure of a movie either.

Is Avatar even running on tv anymore?

On the Nicktoons network.

[Akira Fudoh]

I just saw the trailer.

dude....I dont think the fans have anything to worry about....

It looks interesting enough that I would pay money to see it.

and thats saying a LOT.

[Vixianna]

deadguy

Vixianna

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Reception, It made 9 mil in America. Not a Success by any means, it has a 13% fresh on rotten tomatoes. Also it cost, $120 mil. So they lost ******** money. It was a ******** flop, it was a flop because it's in the negative, even though it "didn't appeal to the fans" who by the way number near 1 billion counting internationally.

So where is it stated anyway Dead, that by dent of having Asians a movie is pandering to the fans, and it will therefore flop. Or ANY movie that panders to the fans flops. Because I have a host of Deathnote movies in Japan that says you are wrong.

It isn't, which is my point. Spellbinding keeps bringing this movie up as some sort of example of a great movie which appealed to its fans and was super special awesome and everyone loved, even though it made no money.

And I wasn't referring to having Asians in it as pandering to fans, I was referring to our discussion a couple months ago as to whether or not a movie could be a success just by attracting fans of the series, without considering non-fans. You claimed that by sticking strictly to the show's base, it would brake sales records by virtue of fan viewings alone, I claimed that was a stupid idea and they needed to expand their audience past fans of the cartoon in order to make real money. According to Spellbinding, this movie was a very strict adaption which held exactly onto the original in almost everywhere, and flopped horribly. At the very least it doesn't help your argument, though I'll admit it's also not proof that not trying to expand your base leads to a failure of a movie either.

Actually if you looked at my cites, that wasn't blood , but Dragon ball evolution, which both you AND Akira are claiming was a success worthy of sequel and didn't pander to the fans at all.

So I ask again, since that movie is your "proof" that those that don't appeal to the fans at all are more likely to be successful, how does this prove that movies that appeal to the fan base are more successful.

For proof to the contrary, I cite every Japanese Death Note movie, AND Every Detective Conan movie. The latter is animated, however it's a full length movie, one that comes around every season, and STILL breaks box office records. The one that came out the year of the Titanic kicked it out of the number one spot. They are they highest grossing movies in Japan(usually) every year, and they are made specifically for fans.

Now, proof that not appealing to the fans(or at least not pissing them the hell off) is going to make a movie more money. Now or shut the ******** up about us asking them to fix this shitty a** movie.

@ Akira: You didn't even watch the original show, you don't even LIKE the original show, I'm sorry but you are not qualified to state whether or not this is a fan favoring rendition.

[Akira Fudoh]

Vixianna

deadguy

Vixianna

X

Reception, It made 9 mil in America. Not a Success by any means, it has a 13% fresh on rotten tomatoes. Also it cost, $120 mil. So they lost ******** money. It was a ******** flop, it was a flop because it's in the negative, even though it "didn't appeal to the fans" who by the way number near 1 billion counting internationally.

So where is it stated anyway Dead, that by dent of having Asians a movie is pandering to the fans, and it will therefore flop. Or ANY movie that panders to the fans flops. Because I have a host of Deathnote movies in Japan that says you are wrong.

It isn't, which is my point. Spellbinding keeps bringing this movie up as some sort of example of a great movie which appealed to its fans and was super special awesome and everyone loved, even though it made no money.

And I wasn't referring to having Asians in it as pandering to fans, I was referring to our discussion a couple months ago as to whether or not a movie could be a success just by attracting fans of the series, without considering non-fans. You claimed that by sticking strictly to the show's base, it would brake sales records by virtue of fan viewings alone, I claimed that was a stupid idea and they needed to expand their audience past fans of the cartoon in order to make real money. According to Spellbinding, this movie was a very strict adaption which held exactly onto the original in almost everywhere, and flopped horribly. At the very least it doesn't help your argument, though I'll admit it's also not proof that not trying to expand your base leads to a failure of a movie either.

Actually if you looked at my cites, that wasn't blood , but Dragon ball evolution, which both you AND Akira are claiming was a success worthy of sequel and didn't pander to the fans at all.

So I ask again, since that movie is your "proof" that those that don't appeal to the fans at all are more likely to be successful, how does this prove that movies that appeal to the fan base are more successful.

For proof to the contrary, I cite every Japanese Death Note movie, AND Every Detective Conan movie. The latter is animated, however it's a full length movie, one that comes around every season, and STILL breaks box office records. The one that came out the year of the Titanic kicked it out of the number one spot. They are they highest grossing movies in Japan(usually) every year, and they are made specifically for fans.

Now, proof that not appealing to the fans(or at least not pissing them the hell off) is going to make a movie more money. Now or shut the ******** up about us asking them to fix this shitty a** movie.

@ Akira: You didn't even watch the original show, you don't even LIKE the original show, I'm sorry but you are not qualified to state whether or not this is a fan favoring rendition.

I may not like the show, but the movie is looking pretty sweet.

and THATS the mentality that will determine if its a success or not.

The director is a big push too. Since he has his own fans to draw in box office revenue.

I'm sorry but most of the time, directly translating show to big screen just doesnt work...

take..Speed Racer for example. I LOVED the show when I was a kid.
the movie was a horrible mess. Their mistake was changing the car. The car was the real star of the show. And of course the horrible story.

As long as the producers throw some thing in for the fan....it will do fine.

[in the mausoleum]

WTF!! That cast actually looks really great. thanks for posting pics of them because now im more motivated to see it. sweatdrop

[Vixianna]

Akira Fudoh

I may not like the show, but the movie is looking pretty sweet.

and THATS the mentality that will determine if its a success or not.

The director is a big push too. Since he has his own fans to draw in box office revenue.

I'm sorry but most of the time, directly translating show to big screen just doesnt work...

take..Speed Racer for example. I LOVED the show when I was a kid.
the movie was a horrible mess. Their mistake was changing the car. The car was the real star of the show. And of course the horrible story.

As long as the producers throw some thing in for the fan....it will do fine.

Learn to read fool. I said fan favoring , as in pandering to the fans of the original show, rendition. You were not an original fan, you are not qualified to state that this movie is appealing to the original fans, which is what you were trying to say. That the "fans had nothing to worry about" because you as non-fan liked the trailer.

Fan critique of trailer: His staff work is slow, the clothing is off, I can't even place where that scene would come from(seriously at all), and he looks WAAAAYYY too pouty to be Aang. Positives, they have the animation of the bending down stone cold, those ships look amazingly accurate(just like firenation ships), and the music is excellent. Overall, some clothing changes and more practice and it would be acceptable.(If he was actually using Ba Gua...(and there wasn't a recasting))

I don't hate the trailer, but it doesn't pump me up either.

The American Speed racer(the dub) was crap, so yeah the screen translation of that will be crap. The biggest problem with that movie was lack of coherent plot(and of course changing the car). Properly translated, it would be like Nascar, but with a s**t load more obstacles and stunt driving, and we know how popular car scenes and Nascar are. It should have rocked, but once again lack of plot...

Finally, I want more proof than, because I like it, it will do good, AND I want proof that ignoring the fans will make a production a success. NOW, or shut the ******** up. Seriously.

[Spellbinding Truth]

Akira Fudoh

Spellbinding Truth

deadguy

Spellbinding Truth

deadguy

Spellbinding Truth

You keep on missing the point.
The film was success as an adaption. Not as a money maker, but as an adaption.. It didn't make much money because Hollywood was producing it. It wasn't the anime or movie script that was failing. It was the people selling the movie (Hollywood).
Hollywood failed because from the very beginning they were adapting an Anime that wasn't well known in America. They tried to gross out in a foreign market and overestimated themselves. Though making(95% foreign gross) 5million wasn't high number it was still something. Alot of Foreign people(Most fans) outside U.S. actually went to watch even though it was produce overseas (While many Japanese films were out currently at the sometime). Imagine an American audience watching an chinese production and grossing around 5mil. That scenario isn't likely and it happen with Blood the last vampire. Again Hollywood shouldn't even be producing this film in the first place. It a miracle they made any money at all.

Blood the last Vampire production pros and cons factors.
Pros: It had a solid fanbase.
Cons; Fanbase is located mostly overseas. So it competing in a foriegn market which was an error in judgement)
Lack domestic domestic popularity and recongition (Most anime do because there foriegn). Low advertisment.

@Deadguy your thinking too simpe(Just the gross). A movie production isn't just that simple there are many factors involved. Just because it didn't gross alot of money didn't mean it wasn't a good movie nor a good adaption.. It was just in the wrong hands and debutted in the wrong country. Like you said yourself foriegn gross are usually lower then Domestic gross. How can you expect to movie to gross successfully if the domestic gross of the film can't be relied on. (Blood the last vampire's had nearly no American/Domestic popularity at all.) By the way those ratings you gave are mostly American/Domestic ratings.

Death note and Blood the last vampire are very similar. They had the same fan base(Japanese). But they have major difference outcomes because of different factors.

Take Death note live action for instance. That is anime live action done well.It premiered in Japan on June 17, 2006 and topped the Japanese box office for two weeks, pushing The Da Vinci Code into second place..The film ended up earning US$41 million in Japan, $1.9 million in Hong Kong. Again we have the foreign factor involve here too. Japanese foreign movie in china/Hong Kong had a low foreign gross, but it still was a success because of it overall gross.

The death note production pros and cons factors.
Pros:It had a solid fanbase (Within it own country). It competed with domestic films(Japan v.s. Japan films). Great Advertisement.
Cons confused .

P.S.
I'm not a fan of blood the last vampire. I read the manga a bit prior to watching the film.
i was surprise of how well it turned out even though it another Hollywood adaption. I thought it was decent.(You can't expect too much from a Hollywood Anime Adaption) Deadguy I think you take things a little bit too personal. No offense..Though I admire your patience.

If you admit the movie was a flop at the box office, then I fail to see your point. What relevance does this movie, which we both admit was a flop that did not earn much money, have to the Avatar: The Last Airbender movie?

You keep on missing my point because you too fixated on the gross alone.
The movie Blood the last vampire flop, but it was a well done anime adaption. Similar to how another adaption Death Note successful money maker and was also well done anime adaption. Both movies are anime adaptions, but they resulted in different outcomes. They both had asians staff were also fans of the manga and anime so what went wrong? Death note (Japan) has far more advantages in producing a better adaption because not only did they have fans hands on producing, but also a glorious fan local market(Domestic Japan) to sell it to. Where as the flop blood the last vampire(American live action) only had fan handling and a overseas market (Japan Foriegn Market). It all came down to handling and authoirty. (Blood the vampire should have never been produce by Hollywood in first place. It was a flop from the beginning)

Nerveless what I tried to point out is the importance of fans or Someone with prior knowledge of the original to have authority to regulate the production. This is something the avatar the last air bender surely lack. Anyone can deduce to that by the "Avatar the last airbender live action cast call". (The massive fan base isn't only in america. It was broadcast around the globe. Alot of the fans aren't even American and doesn't speak english. It was the asian fantasy culture that attracted so much foriegn fans and caucasian fans) Basically I think Avatar the last air bender is walking on a similar road as Blood the last vampire. Flop road.

So wait, Blood was a flop, right? A crappy movie which made little to no money, and is generally regarded as low C material by everyone who voted for it? And Blood had fans on hand, who I assume had "prior knowledge of the original" and had "authority to regulate the production", right? So how does that prove that having someone with prior knowledge of the original to have authority to regulate the production make a movie better?

You seem to be saying that Blood and Avatar are completely different, and that's why Avatar is going to suck just like Blood did.

Also, "The movie Blood the last vampire flop, but it was a well done anime adaption" just isn't true. If it were well done, it wouldn't be a flop. We use facts to decide if something is good or not, not opinions, quantifiable numbers that can tell us if something is better than its peers. In the case of movies, those numbers are the profits. If Blood made almost no money, it's considered bad. It is not considered well done if it is bad, those two are opposites. Once again, you are taking a movie you, personally, liked, and saying that, because you liked it, it is good, and it is something other movies should follow, and totaly ignoring the fact that most other people did not like it. You are basing your arguments off your personal opinion, rather than facts, and then saying that that opinion somehow overrides those facts.

Let me be simple:
Blood the last vampire had Japan fan regulation(Good thing), but it was produce in the wrong country.(America/Bad thing) hence wrong audience..It also had some fan support (Good thing). In movie terms it stick to the original material which gain the some fan support. Unfortunately it was in the wrong hands. Wrong country was producing the film. Destined to flop.
Side Note: Death Note is an anime adaption done right with fan regulation.(Should've use this movie as an example. Would've been more clear)

And
The Avatar the last airbender has nearly no fan regulation(Bad thing). It is produce in Hollywood/ America (Good thing). It will lose most of it's fan support because it is not fan regulated (Very bad thing/Fan Boycott). It has unknown appeal to new viewers (Bad thing/ Unstable interest). Adding the cast call will offend the foreign viewers(Bad thing). It doesn't stick to the original key elements (Bad Thing). It might flop worse then Blood the last vampire.Far worse. .

@DeadGuy I think you misinterpreted what I post. Or maybe I wasn't clear. Or I might be confusing you. I'm not a fan of Blood the Last Vampire. I simply pointed out as an anime adaption Blood the last vampire adapted the manga/anime right(The key elements of the story/ Characters/ Style = Successfully adapted). Wether american people like or not it up to them, but the fans(Japanese) liked it. Americans aren't interested in the movie because manga isn't popular in America as oppose to DC/Marvel Comics and still much too foriegn. This is the last time I'm explaining it. Please read carefully. Also this is getting a bit off topic Deadguy. Let's not continue this charade. .

Wasnt Blood a collaboration between American and Japanese studios?

Thats why the original animated movie was in English. The anime series came later.

That movie was based on the original animated feature.

Avatar is an american made cartoon. not anime.

It took a mishmash of all different cultures and made a show of it.

and the reason Blood flopped here? almost no theaters were playing it.
It pretty much went straight to dvd.

(American and Japan studios help d=produce, but note where the fanbase it located)
Blood: The Last Vampire is a 2000 anime film produced by Production I.G and Aniplex and directed by Hiroyuki Kitakubo. The film premiered in theaters in Japan on November 18, 2000. A single-volume manga sequel, Blood: The Last Vampire 2000 written by Benkyo Tamaoki, was published in Japan in 2001 by Kadokawa Shoten, and in English by Viz Media in November 2002 with the title slightly modified to Blood: The Last Vampire 2002. Three Japanese light novel adaptations have also been released for the series, along with a video game. It also spawned a fifty-episode anime series, Blood+, which is an alternate universe story. A live-action adaptation of the film with the same title was released in May 2009.

(Live action fim was a colobration between american and japanese studios)
Blood: The Last Vampire, released in Japan as Last Blood (ラスト・ブラッド, Rasuto Buraddo?), is a 2009 live-action remake of the 2000 anime horror film of the same name. Directed by Chris Nahon and co-produced by Hong Kong-based Edko and French company Pathé with the blessing of Production I.G, the English language film was released in Japan and other Asian markets on May 29, 2009. It was released in the United Kingdom on June 26, 2009 and saw a limited release to theaters in the United States starting on July 10, 2009. The film focuses on a half-human, half-vampire girl named Saya who hunts full-blooded vampires in partnership with humans and seeks to destroy Onigen, the most powerful of vampires.

Avatar the last air bender is an asian fantasy animation. Hence the fantasy asian world.
This point was well adresss by vixxianna and many others. It is also in the op if you took sometimes to read it before commenting.

[Spellbinding Truth]

It is fine, if some people want to basis support Hollywood and everything. I've lost faith a long time ago. Like the indecent crap they try to pull off in Avatar the last airbender live action, but unfortunately it was just iceing on the cake. The upcoming movie Karate Kid is a real mind bottler. How can the main character practice Kung Fu in china be labeled as the karate kid? WTF Karate= Japanese and Kung Fu= Chinese. It the whole avatar live action offensiveness all over again. "If your Korean please wear kimonos (Japanese).
This official proves one thing. Hollywood is run by a bunch of uneducated morons. This irritates me because this one of the reason why people from other countries call modern Americans dumb people. (Not smart/ Uneducated). Stuff like this constantly prove we are.
I myself and many others hate to be generalized.

SIde Note: Hollywood never admits their wrong. You can tell by Hollywood's response to the avatar the last airbender liveaction boycott. It was ridiculous and absurb.

[Spellbinding Truth]

deadguy

Vixianna

X

Reception, It made 9 mil in America. Not a Success by any means, it has a 13% fresh on rotten tomatoes. Also it cost, $120 mil. So they lost ******** money. It was a ******** flop, it was a flop because it's in the negative, even though it "didn't appeal to the fans" who by the way number near 1 billion counting internationally.

So where is it stated anyway Dead, that by dent of having Asians a movie is pandering to the fans, and it will therefore flop. Or ANY movie that panders to the fans flops. Because I have a host of Deathnote movies in Japan that says you are wrong.

It isn't, which is my point. Spellbinding keeps bringing this movie up as some sort of example of a great movie which appealed to its fans and was super special awesome and everyone loved, even though it made no money.

And I wasn't referring to having Asians in it as pandering to fans, I was referring to our discussion a couple months ago as to whether or not a movie could be a success just by attracting fans of the series, without considering non-fans. You claimed that by sticking strictly to the show's base, it would brake sales records by virtue of fan viewings alone, I claimed that was a stupid idea and they needed to expand their audience past fans of the cartoon in order to make real money. According to Spellbinding, this movie was a very strict adaption which held exactly onto the original in almost everywhere, and flopped horribly. At the very least it doesn't help your argument, though I'll admit it's also not proof that not trying to expand your base leads to a failure of a movie either.

Please dear god just look at the statistic. 95 percent foriegn gross v.s. 5 percent domestic gross. If you can't deduce anything from that, then I sorry you have low comprehensive skills. I never said the movie was a success you just keep twisting my words. I said the movie adapted well to the manga and anime, hence it actually looked like the anime brought to life on the big screen. (Setting/Characters/Plot). Which compare to ther Hollywood adaptions that look nothing like the orginal material. Is a good thing. Then I went on explaining that the movie flopped because it was produce in the wrong hands and broadcst to the wrong viewers in the wrong country (Americans/ Non-manga fans). I never said by stickly strictly to the fanbase it was a good thing, agian you twisted my words. I said sticking to the fanbase is a good thing when the country your broadcasting the movie is compose mostly of fans. Hence why Blood the last vampire flopped because it was produce in the wrong country(American).

I also gave a well explanation of a good anime adaption live action The movie Death Note which is produce by it's fan country (Japan). It simply titled as Death Note, premiered in Japan on June 17, 2006 and topped the Japanese box office for two weeks, pushing The Da Vinci Code into second place. The film ended up earning US$41 million in Japan, $1.9 million in Hong Kong. The movie also had fan-base regulation like blood the last vampire. What was different was that they produced it in a fan-country (Japan). Hence I kept saying that blood the last vampire was in the wrong place and in the wrong hands.


Side note:
Anime is kinda like the Japanese language. It kinda hard to understand at first, but when you hear or read it more it'll make a whole world of difference. Unfortunately Hollywood is always Americanizing/Sometimes white washing everything which is like pouring oil to a burining fire.

Avatar the last airbender was not anime, but it was heavily influenced by anime. It also has asian culture as it's heart. When american viewers can't comprehend or recognize foriegn/Asian culture. It shows how diluted their view of the world is.

[Ythan II]

You mean bluefacing?