Avatar Movie: Yellowfacing in Hollywood

[Hybred Moon]

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[mezquiteGood]

Oh boy I can't WAIT till the movie comes out and this s**t hits the fan, it will be fun to watch. blaugh

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If nothing else, the fact that they cast Rain as the main character of Ninja Assassin must be evidence of some progress in Hollywood.

I know he's Korean, but let's face it, he does look pretty Japanese.

[Appel Juice]

[Duality]

If nothing else, the fact that they cast Rain as the main character of Ninja Assassin must be evidence of some progress in Hollywood.

I know he's Korean, but let's face it, he does look pretty Japanese.

Koreans are to Japanese as Canadians are to Americans. Not so different, but neither wants to admit it.

[deadguy]

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Let me be more clear.
Link to the percentage gross outside U.S.
The main target audience was the fans of series outside the U.S.(Overseas)
The movie was going to be a flop from the very beginning of production. I'm sure the Hollywood producers and directors didn't assume their movie would out gross the Japanese Movies currently produce at the same time.(They competed in a foreign market) They tried to squeeze some money from a hardcore fan base and they did even though it wasn't alot. So it unfair to compare with other U.S. made films such as The book of Eli.(Home market advantage/ Popularity) Truth be told the movie would've made more money if wasn't produce by Hollywood. If the film was produce by Japan. It would've been different.

@Deadguy: The movie's (The book of eli, etc) you compared Blood to are in a whole another category. None of them are anime/ manga/ Japan adaptions being produce in Hollywood.

The movie blood the last vampire was a great adaption. It accomplished what other prior Hollywood adaptions failed to accomplish. It actually for once gained the fan base
approval and it made money (Though not alot).The script was great, but it was just in the wrong hands. Hollywood should leave anime alone and just stick with their Marvel/Dc
comics.

So thus:
Take the movie Blood the last vampire(Japanese Anime and Manga Adaption) it is ranked high above all Hollywood produce adaptions. It was regarded as decent to epic in the eyes of many fans and first time viewers. Solely because there were many Asian staff members and co producers guiding it to be a successful adaption. The Asians staff were also fans of the manga and anime so it was a plus. They had authority in the production of the film. Bottom line they knew what they were doing and gave the people what they want.

Epic=Fans and Decent=First time viewers

Whether or not you liked it, the movie failed. This is a point you can't argue. You are trying to take a movie you liked, and call it a success, and a model for what Avatar should do, based solely on the fact that you liked it. The movie did not make much money. It did not make much money in America, and it did not make much money outside of America. You keep calling it a success, when the only facts we have about it show that people didn't like it. A movie's success is measured in how much money it makes. Please stop trying to measure it based solely on how much you liked it, and please, stop trying to claim that a movie which failed in both national and international markets was anything but a flop. If you look on the site you linked, the average vote, out of the 35 voters, was a C. Almost half the people gave it a D or an F. It is ranked fairly low.

Yeah, fans of the series might have liked it. Unfortunately, that wasn't enough to make it a popular movie. This is what I keep saying to you and Vix. If an adaption does nothing more than chase after its fanbase, it won't make much money, no matter how much they like it. This does nothing but prove my point that the makers of The Last Airbender were doing nothing wrong by trying to expand their fanbase by making the movie less Asian.

You keep on missing the point.
The film was success as an adaption. Not as a money maker, but as an adaption.. It didn't make much money because Hollywood was producing it. It wasn't the anime or movie script that was failing. It was the people selling the movie (Hollywood).
Hollywood failed because from the very beginning they were adapting an Anime that wasn't well known in America. They tried to gross out in a foreign market and overestimated themselves. Though making(95% foreign gross) 5million wasn't high number it was still something. Alot of Foreign people(Most fans) outside U.S. actually went to watch even though it was produce overseas (While many Japanese films were out currently at the sometime). Imagine an American audience watching an chinese production and grossing around 5mil. That scenario isn't likely and it happen with Blood the last vampire. Again Hollywood shouldn't even be producing this film in the first place. It a miracle they made any money at all.

Blood the last Vampire production pros and cons factors.
Pros: It had a solid fanbase.
Cons; Fanbase is located mostly overseas. So it competing in a foriegn market which was an error in judgement)
Lack domestic domestic popularity and recongition (Most anime do because there foriegn). Low advertisment.

@Deadguy your thinking too simpe(Just the gross). A movie production isn't just that simple there are many factors involved. Just because it didn't gross alot of money didn't mean it wasn't a good movie nor a good adaption.. It was just in the wrong hands and debutted in the wrong country. Like you said yourself foriegn gross are usually lower then Domestic gross. How can you expect to movie to gross successfully if the domestic gross of the film can't be relied on. (Blood the last vampire's had nearly no American/Domestic popularity at all.) By the way those ratings you gave are mostly American/Domestic ratings.

Death note and Blood the last vampire are very similar. They had the same fan base(Japanese). But they have major difference outcomes because of different factors.

Take Death note live action for instance. That is anime live action done well.It premiered in Japan on June 17, 2006 and topped the Japanese box office for two weeks, pushing The Da Vinci Code into second place..The film ended up earning US$41 million in Japan, $1.9 million in Hong Kong. Again we have the foreign factor involve here too. Japanese foreign movie in china/Hong Kong had a low foreign gross, but it still was a success because of it overall gross.

The death note production pros and cons factors.
Pros:It had a solid fanbase (Within it own country). It competed with domestic films(Japan v.s. Japan films). Great Advertisement.
Cons confused .

P.S.
I'm not a fan of blood the last vampire. I read the manga a bit prior to watching the film.
i was surprise of how well it turned out even though it another Hollywood adaption. I thought it was decent.(You can't expect too much from a Hollywood Anime Adaption) Deadguy I think you take things a little bit too personal. No offense..Though I admire your patience.

If you admit the movie was a flop at the box office, then I fail to see your point. What relevance does this movie, which we both admit was a flop that did not earn much money, have to the Avatar: The Last Airbender movie?

You keep on missing my point because you too fixated on the gross alone.
The movie Blood the last vampire flop, but it was a well done anime adaption. Similar to how another adaption Death Note successful money maker and was also well done anime adaption. Both movies are anime adaptions, but they resulted in different outcomes. They both had asians staff were also fans of the manga and anime so what went wrong? Death note (Japan) has far more advantages in producing a better adaption because not only did they have fans hands on producing, but also a glorious fan local market(Domestic Japan) to sell it to. Where as the flop blood the last vampire(American live action) only had fan handling and a overseas market (Japan Foriegn Market). It all came down to handling and authoirty. (Blood the vampire should have never been produce by Hollywood in first place. It was a flop from the beginning)

Nerveless what I tried to point out is the importance of fans or Someone with prior knowledge of the original to have authority to regulate the production. This is something the avatar the last air bender surely lack. Anyone can deduce to that by the "Avatar the last airbender live action cast call". (The massive fan base isn't only in america. It was broadcast around the globe. Alot of the fans aren't even American and doesn't speak english. It was the asian fantasy culture that attracted so much foriegn fans and caucasian fans) Basically I think Avatar the last air bender is walking on a similar road as Blood the last vampire. Flop road.

So wait, Blood was a flop, right? A crappy movie which made little to no money, and is generally regarded as low C material by everyone who voted for it? And Blood had fans on hand, who I assume had "prior knowledge of the original" and had "authority to regulate the production", right? So how does that prove that having someone with prior knowledge of the original to have authority to regulate the production make a movie better?

You seem to be saying that Blood and Avatar are completely different, and that's why Avatar is going to suck just like Blood did.

Also, "The movie Blood the last vampire flop, but it was a well done anime adaption" just isn't true. If it were well done, it wouldn't be a flop. We use facts to decide if something is good or not, not opinions, quantifiable numbers that can tell us if something is better than its peers. In the case of movies, those numbers are the profits. If Blood made almost no money, it's considered bad. It is not considered well done if it is bad, those two are opposites. Once again, you are taking a movie you, personally, liked, and saying that, because you liked it, it is good, and it is something other movies should follow, and totaly ignoring the fact that most other people did not like it. You are basing your arguments off your personal opinion, rather than facts, and then saying that that opinion somehow overrides those facts.

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You keep on missing my point because you too fixated on the gross alone.
The movie Blood the last vampire flop, but it was a well done anime adaption.

No, it wasn't. That's why it flopped. The reason it flopped did not, however, have anything to do with the fact that there were Asians in it. It was just generally regarded as a bad movie by critics and movie going audiences alike.

It flop because american audiences aren't interested in the movie. (This all boils down to how many people in america read/watch anime. Only mere 5 percent gross-100k- was american) As oppose to the audience outside america (Japan) which gross 95 percent.-5mil- It made more money outside U.S./America. So it would've been better if it was produce by Japan rather then america. It was in the wrong hands. Advertising is a big factor too..

As an adpation it adapted the orginal anime/manga well. It adpated the story and brought it to life on the bigscreen. You can actually tell which characters are which if you have read the manga. Though there has been mention of americanize tokenism. I rather not discuss that. Main reason it flop because it had the wrong audience.

I've disscuss this in my prior post it seems you haven't read them all. I can't blame you too.
It alot read. LOL biggrin

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[Duality]

If nothing else, the fact that they cast Rain as the main character of Ninja Assassin must be evidence of some progress in Hollywood.

I know he's Korean, but let's face it, he does look pretty Japanese.

Koreans are to Japanese as Canadians are to Americans. Not so different, but neither wants to admit it.

Oh yeah, if I was a Japanese national I'd be pissed that they're using a Korean pop star to be a Japanese actor.

But because I'm a Japanese-American, all I can say is that I have a huge mancrush on Rain.

[Mishinra]

I honestly don't think there would be any of this drama if they caster every single character from people who are Chinese. even thou that by the original posts thread would be racist.

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deadguy

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Let me be more clear.
Link to the percentage gross outside U.S.
The main target audience was the fans of series outside the U.S.(Overseas)
The movie was going to be a flop from the very beginning of production. I'm sure the Hollywood producers and directors didn't assume their movie would out gross the Japanese Movies currently produce at the same time.(They competed in a foreign market) They tried to squeeze some money from a hardcore fan base and they did even though it wasn't alot. So it unfair to compare with other U.S. made films such as The book of Eli.(Home market advantage/ Popularity) Truth be told the movie would've made more money if wasn't produce by Hollywood. If the film was produce by Japan. It would've been different.

@Deadguy: The movie's (The book of eli, etc) you compared Blood to are in a whole another category. None of them are anime/ manga/ Japan adaptions being produce in Hollywood.

The movie blood the last vampire was a great adaption. It accomplished what other prior Hollywood adaptions failed to accomplish. It actually for once gained the fan base
approval and it made money (Though not alot).The script was great, but it was just in the wrong hands. Hollywood should leave anime alone and just stick with their Marvel/Dc
comics.

So thus:
Take the movie Blood the last vampire(Japanese Anime and Manga Adaption) it is ranked high above all Hollywood produce adaptions. It was regarded as decent to epic in the eyes of many fans and first time viewers. Solely because there were many Asian staff members and co producers guiding it to be a successful adaption. The Asians staff were also fans of the manga and anime so it was a plus. They had authority in the production of the film. Bottom line they knew what they were doing and gave the people what they want.

Epic=Fans and Decent=First time viewers

Whether or not you liked it, the movie failed. This is a point you can't argue. You are trying to take a movie you liked, and call it a success, and a model for what Avatar should do, based solely on the fact that you liked it. The movie did not make much money. It did not make much money in America, and it did not make much money outside of America. You keep calling it a success, when the only facts we have about it show that people didn't like it. A movie's success is measured in how much money it makes. Please stop trying to measure it based solely on how much you liked it, and please, stop trying to claim that a movie which failed in both national and international markets was anything but a flop. If you look on the site you linked, the average vote, out of the 35 voters, was a C. Almost half the people gave it a D or an F. It is ranked fairly low.

Yeah, fans of the series might have liked it. Unfortunately, that wasn't enough to make it a popular movie. This is what I keep saying to you and Vix. If an adaption does nothing more than chase after its fanbase, it won't make much money, no matter how much they like it. This does nothing but prove my point that the makers of The Last Airbender were doing nothing wrong by trying to expand their fanbase by making the movie less Asian.

You keep on missing the point.
The film was success as an adaption. Not as a money maker, but as an adaption.. It didn't make much money because Hollywood was producing it. It wasn't the anime or movie script that was failing. It was the people selling the movie (Hollywood).
Hollywood failed because from the very beginning they were adapting an Anime that wasn't well known in America. They tried to gross out in a foreign market and overestimated themselves. Though making(95% foreign gross) 5million wasn't high number it was still something. Alot of Foreign people(Most fans) outside U.S. actually went to watch even though it was produce overseas (While many Japanese films were out currently at the sometime). Imagine an American audience watching an chinese production and grossing around 5mil. That scenario isn't likely and it happen with Blood the last vampire. Again Hollywood shouldn't even be producing this film in the first place. It a miracle they made any money at all.

Blood the last Vampire production pros and cons factors.
Pros: It had a solid fanbase.
Cons; Fanbase is located mostly overseas. So it competing in a foriegn market which was an error in judgement)
Lack domestic domestic popularity and recongition (Most anime do because there foriegn). Low advertisment.

@Deadguy your thinking too simpe(Just the gross). A movie production isn't just that simple there are many factors involved. Just because it didn't gross alot of money didn't mean it wasn't a good movie nor a good adaption.. It was just in the wrong hands and debutted in the wrong country. Like you said yourself foriegn gross are usually lower then Domestic gross. How can you expect to movie to gross successfully if the domestic gross of the film can't be relied on. (Blood the last vampire's had nearly no American/Domestic popularity at all.) By the way those ratings you gave are mostly American/Domestic ratings.

Death note and Blood the last vampire are very similar. They had the same fan base(Japanese). But they have major difference outcomes because of different factors.

Take Death note live action for instance. That is anime live action done well.It premiered in Japan on June 17, 2006 and topped the Japanese box office for two weeks, pushing The Da Vinci Code into second place..The film ended up earning US$41 million in Japan, $1.9 million in Hong Kong. Again we have the foreign factor involve here too. Japanese foreign movie in china/Hong Kong had a low foreign gross, but it still was a success because of it overall gross.

The death note production pros and cons factors.
Pros:It had a solid fanbase (Within it own country). It competed with domestic films(Japan v.s. Japan films). Great Advertisement.
Cons confused .

P.S.
I'm not a fan of blood the last vampire. I read the manga a bit prior to watching the film.
i was surprise of how well it turned out even though it another Hollywood adaption. I thought it was decent.(You can't expect too much from a Hollywood Anime Adaption) Deadguy I think you take things a little bit too personal. No offense..Though I admire your patience.

If you admit the movie was a flop at the box office, then I fail to see your point. What relevance does this movie, which we both admit was a flop that did not earn much money, have to the Avatar: The Last Airbender movie?

You keep on missing my point because you too fixated on the gross alone.
The movie Blood the last vampire flop, but it was a well done anime adaption. Similar to how another adaption Death Note successful money maker and was also well done anime adaption. Both movies are anime adaptions, but they resulted in different outcomes. They both had asians staff were also fans of the manga and anime so what went wrong? Death note (Japan) has far more advantages in producing a better adaption because not only did they have fans hands on producing, but also a glorious fan local market(Domestic Japan) to sell it to. Where as the flop blood the last vampire(American live action) only had fan handling and a overseas market (Japan Foriegn Market). It all came down to handling and authoirty. (Blood the vampire should have never been produce by Hollywood in first place. It was a flop from the beginning)

Nerveless what I tried to point out is the importance of fans or Someone with prior knowledge of the original to have authority to regulate the production. This is something the avatar the last air bender surely lack. Anyone can deduce to that by the "Avatar the last airbender live action cast call". (The massive fan base isn't only in america. It was broadcast around the globe. Alot of the fans aren't even American and doesn't speak english. It was the asian fantasy culture that attracted so much foriegn fans and caucasian fans) Basically I think Avatar the last air bender is walking on a similar road as Blood the last vampire. Flop road.

So wait, Blood was a flop, right? A crappy movie which made little to no money, and is generally regarded as low C material by everyone who voted for it? And Blood had fans on hand, who I assume had "prior knowledge of the original" and had "authority to regulate the production", right? So how does that prove that having someone with prior knowledge of the original to have authority to regulate the production make a movie better?

You seem to be saying that Blood and Avatar are completely different, and that's why Avatar is going to suck just like Blood did.

Also, "The movie Blood the last vampire flop, but it was a well done anime adaption" just isn't true. If it were well done, it wouldn't be a flop. We use facts to decide if something is good or not, not opinions, quantifiable numbers that can tell us if something is better than its peers. In the case of movies, those numbers are the profits. If Blood made almost no money, it's considered bad. It is not considered well done if it is bad, those two are opposites. Once again, you are taking a movie you, personally, liked, and saying that, because you liked it, it is good, and it is something other movies should follow, and totaly ignoring the fact that most other people did not like it. You are basing your arguments off your personal opinion, rather than facts, and then saying that that opinion somehow overrides those facts.

Let me be simple:
Blood the last vampire had Japan fan regulation(Good thing), but it was produce in the wrong country.(America/Bad thing) hence wrong audience..It also had some fan support (Good thing). In movie terms it stick to the original material which gain the some fan support. Unfortunately it was in the wrong hands. Wrong country was producing the film. Destined to flop.
Side Note: Death Note is an anime adaption done right with fan regulation.(Should've use this movie as an example. Would've been more clear)

And
The Avatar the last airbender has nearly no fan regulation(Bad thing). It is produce in Hollywood/ America (Good thing). It will lose most of it's fan support because it is not fan regulated (Very bad thing/Fan Boycott). It has unknown appeal to new viewers (Bad thing/ Unstable interest). Adding the cast call will offend the foreign viewers(Bad thing). It doesn't stick to the original key elements (Bad Thing). It might flop worse then Blood the last vampire.Far worse. .

@DeadGuy I think you misinterpreted what I post. Or maybe I wasn't clear. Or I might be confusing you. I'm not a fan of Blood the Last Vampire. I simply pointed out as an anime adaption Blood the last vampire adapted the manga/anime right(The key elements of the story/ Characters/ Style = Successfully adapted). Wether american people like or not it up to them, but the fans(Japanese) liked it. Americans aren't interested in the movie because manga isn't popular in America as oppose to DC/Marvel Comics and still much too foriegn. This is the last time I'm explaining it. Please read carefully. Also this is getting a bit off topic Deadguy. Let's not continue this charade. .

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I'm a bit surprised that people are still making pointless post to justify this Hollywood stupidity. I think people need to read the op before posting. All this has already been answered in the first page. Alot of people already pointed what's wrong with post production of the Avatar the last airbender live action.

[Mishinra]

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I'm a bit surprised that people are still making pointless post to justify this Hollywood stupidity. I think people need to read the op before posting. All this has already been answered in the first page. Alot of people already pointed what's wrong with post production of the Avatar the last airbender live action.

I believe in holly woods freedoms, and understand peoples need to b***h, this makes me stupid?

[deadguy]

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You keep on missing the point.
The film was success as an adaption. Not as a money maker, but as an adaption.. It didn't make much money because Hollywood was producing it. It wasn't the anime or movie script that was failing. It was the people selling the movie (Hollywood).
Hollywood failed because from the very beginning they were adapting an Anime that wasn't well known in America. They tried to gross out in a foreign market and overestimated themselves. Though making(95% foreign gross) 5million wasn't high number it was still something. Alot of Foreign people(Most fans) outside U.S. actually went to watch even though it was produce overseas (While many Japanese films were out currently at the sometime). Imagine an American audience watching an chinese production and grossing around 5mil. That scenario isn't likely and it happen with Blood the last vampire. Again Hollywood shouldn't even be producing this film in the first place. It a miracle they made any money at all.

Blood the last Vampire production pros and cons factors.
Pros: It had a solid fanbase.
Cons; Fanbase is located mostly overseas. So it competing in a foriegn market which was an error in judgement)
Lack domestic domestic popularity and recongition (Most anime do because there foriegn). Low advertisment.

@Deadguy your thinking too simpe(Just the gross). A movie production isn't just that simple there are many factors involved. Just because it didn't gross alot of money didn't mean it wasn't a good movie nor a good adaption.. It was just in the wrong hands and debutted in the wrong country. Like you said yourself foriegn gross are usually lower then Domestic gross. How can you expect to movie to gross successfully if the domestic gross of the film can't be relied on. (Blood the last vampire's had nearly no American/Domestic popularity at all.) By the way those ratings you gave are mostly American/Domestic ratings.

Death note and Blood the last vampire are very similar. They had the same fan base(Japanese). But they have major difference outcomes because of different factors.

Take Death note live action for instance. That is anime live action done well.It premiered in Japan on June 17, 2006 and topped the Japanese box office for two weeks, pushing The Da Vinci Code into second place..The film ended up earning US$41 million in Japan, $1.9 million in Hong Kong. Again we have the foreign factor involve here too. Japanese foreign movie in china/Hong Kong had a low foreign gross, but it still was a success because of it overall gross.

The death note production pros and cons factors.
Pros:It had a solid fanbase (Within it own country). It competed with domestic films(Japan v.s. Japan films). Great Advertisement.
Cons confused .

P.S.
I'm not a fan of blood the last vampire. I read the manga a bit prior to watching the film.
i was surprise of how well it turned out even though it another Hollywood adaption. I thought it was decent.(You can't expect too much from a Hollywood Anime Adaption) Deadguy I think you take things a little bit too personal. No offense..Though I admire your patience.

If you admit the movie was a flop at the box office, then I fail to see your point. What relevance does this movie, which we both admit was a flop that did not earn much money, have to the Avatar: The Last Airbender movie?

You keep on missing my point because you too fixated on the gross alone.
The movie Blood the last vampire flop, but it was a well done anime adaption. Similar to how another adaption Death Note successful money maker and was also well done anime adaption. Both movies are anime adaptions, but they resulted in different outcomes. They both had asians staff were also fans of the manga and anime so what went wrong? Death note (Japan) has far more advantages in producing a better adaption because not only did they have fans hands on producing, but also a glorious fan local market(Domestic Japan) to sell it to. Where as the flop blood the last vampire(American live action) only had fan handling and a overseas market (Japan Foriegn Market). It all came down to handling and authoirty. (Blood the vampire should have never been produce by Hollywood in first place. It was a flop from the beginning)

Nerveless what I tried to point out is the importance of fans or Someone with prior knowledge of the original to have authority to regulate the production. This is something the avatar the last air bender surely lack. Anyone can deduce to that by the "Avatar the last airbender live action cast call". (The massive fan base isn't only in america. It was broadcast around the globe. Alot of the fans aren't even American and doesn't speak english. It was the asian fantasy culture that attracted so much foriegn fans and caucasian fans) Basically I think Avatar the last air bender is walking on a similar road as Blood the last vampire. Flop road.

So wait, Blood was a flop, right? A crappy movie which made little to no money, and is generally regarded as low C material by everyone who voted for it? And Blood had fans on hand, who I assume had "prior knowledge of the original" and had "authority to regulate the production", right? So how does that prove that having someone with prior knowledge of the original to have authority to regulate the production make a movie better?

You seem to be saying that Blood and Avatar are completely different, and that's why Avatar is going to suck just like Blood did.

Also, "The movie Blood the last vampire flop, but it was a well done anime adaption" just isn't true. If it were well done, it wouldn't be a flop. We use facts to decide if something is good or not, not opinions, quantifiable numbers that can tell us if something is better than its peers. In the case of movies, those numbers are the profits. If Blood made almost no money, it's considered bad. It is not considered well done if it is bad, those two are opposites. Once again, you are taking a movie you, personally, liked, and saying that, because you liked it, it is good, and it is something other movies should follow, and totaly ignoring the fact that most other people did not like it. You are basing your arguments off your personal opinion, rather than facts, and then saying that that opinion somehow overrides those facts.

Let me be simple:
Blood the last vampire had Japan fan regulation(Good thing), but it was produce in the wrong country.(America/Bad thing) hence wrong audience..It also had some fan support (Good thing). In movie terms it stick to the original material which gain the some fan support. Unfortunately it was in the wrong hands. Wrong country was producing the film. Destined to flop.
Side Note: Death Note is an anime adaption done right with fan regulation.(Should've use this movie as an example. Would've been more clear)

And
The Avatar the last airbender has nearly no fan regulation(Bad thing). It is produce in Hollywood/ America (Good thing). It will lose most of it's fan support because it is not fan regulated (Very bad thing/Fan Boycott). It has unknown appeal to new viewers (Bad thing/ Unstable interest). Adding the cast call will offend the foreign viewers(Bad thing). It doesn't stick to the original key elements (Bad Thing). It might flop worse then Blood the last vampire.Far worse. .

@DeadGuy I think you misinterpreted what I post. Or maybe I wasn't clear. Or I might be confusing you. I'm not a fan of Blood the Last Vampire. I simply pointed out as an anime adaption Blood the last vampire adapted the manga/anime right(The key elements of the story/ Characters/ Style = Successfully adapted). Wether american people like or not it up to them, but the fans(Japanese) liked it. Americans aren't interested in the movie because manga isn't popular in America as oppose to DC/Marvel Comics and still much too foriegn. This is the last time I'm explaining it. Please read carefully. Also this is getting a bit off topic Deadguy. Let's not continue this charade. .

You've yet to post a single ounce of proof that Japanise people liked the movie, to refute my proof that they didn't, which is that the movie made almost no money internationally. You try to justify the failure by saying it was made in the wrong country, but they you still have no evidence it would have succeeded if it had been made in Japan. All you're doing is saying how much you liked the movie (again, not once have you given proof that Japanise people liked it), and how much better it is than Avatar will be. Except they're nothing alike.

[Akira Fudoh]

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Let me be more clear.
Link to the percentage gross outside U.S.
The main target audience was the fans of series outside the U.S.(Overseas)
The movie was going to be a flop from the very beginning of production. I'm sure the Hollywood producers and directors didn't assume their movie would out gross the Japanese Movies currently produce at the same time.(They competed in a foreign market) They tried to squeeze some money from a hardcore fan base and they did even though it wasn't alot. So it unfair to compare with other U.S. made films such as The book of Eli.(Home market advantage/ Popularity) Truth be told the movie would've made more money if wasn't produce by Hollywood. If the film was produce by Japan. It would've been different.

@Deadguy: The movie's (The book of eli, etc) you compared Blood to are in a whole another category. None of them are anime/ manga/ Japan adaptions being produce in Hollywood.

The movie blood the last vampire was a great adaption. It accomplished what other prior Hollywood adaptions failed to accomplish. It actually for once gained the fan base
approval and it made money (Though not alot).The script was great, but it was just in the wrong hands. Hollywood should leave anime alone and just stick with their Marvel/Dc
comics.

So thus:
Take the movie Blood the last vampire(Japanese Anime and Manga Adaption) it is ranked high above all Hollywood produce adaptions. It was regarded as decent to epic in the eyes of many fans and first time viewers. Solely because there were many Asian staff members and co producers guiding it to be a successful adaption. The Asians staff were also fans of the manga and anime so it was a plus. They had authority in the production of the film. Bottom line they knew what they were doing and gave the people what they want.

Epic=Fans and Decent=First time viewers

Whether or not you liked it, the movie failed. This is a point you can't argue. You are trying to take a movie you liked, and call it a success, and a model for what Avatar should do, based solely on the fact that you liked it. The movie did not make much money. It did not make much money in America, and it did not make much money outside of America. You keep calling it a success, when the only facts we have about it show that people didn't like it. A movie's success is measured in how much money it makes. Please stop trying to measure it based solely on how much you liked it, and please, stop trying to claim that a movie which failed in both national and international markets was anything but a flop. If you look on the site you linked, the average vote, out of the 35 voters, was a C. Almost half the people gave it a D or an F. It is ranked fairly low.

Yeah, fans of the series might have liked it. Unfortunately, that wasn't enough to make it a popular movie. This is what I keep saying to you and Vix. If an adaption does nothing more than chase after its fanbase, it won't make much money, no matter how much they like it. This does nothing but prove my point that the makers of The Last Airbender were doing nothing wrong by trying to expand their fanbase by making the movie less Asian.

You keep on missing the point.
The film was success as an adaption. Not as a money maker, but as an adaption.. It didn't make much money because Hollywood was producing it. It wasn't the anime or movie script that was failing. It was the people selling the movie (Hollywood).
Hollywood failed because from the very beginning they were adapting an Anime that wasn't well known in America. They tried to gross out in a foreign market and overestimated themselves. Though making(95% foreign gross) 5million wasn't high number it was still something. Alot of Foreign people(Most fans) outside U.S. actually went to watch even though it was produce overseas (While many Japanese films were out currently at the sometime). Imagine an American audience watching an chinese production and grossing around 5mil. That scenario isn't likely and it happen with Blood the last vampire. Again Hollywood shouldn't even be producing this film in the first place. It a miracle they made any money at all.

Blood the last Vampire production pros and cons factors.
Pros: It had a solid fanbase.
Cons; Fanbase is located mostly overseas. So it competing in a foriegn market which was an error in judgement)
Lack domestic domestic popularity and recongition (Most anime do because there foriegn). Low advertisment.

@Deadguy your thinking too simpe(Just the gross). A movie production isn't just that simple there are many factors involved. Just because it didn't gross alot of money didn't mean it wasn't a good movie nor a good adaption.. It was just in the wrong hands and debutted in the wrong country. Like you said yourself foriegn gross are usually lower then Domestic gross. How can you expect to movie to gross successfully if the domestic gross of the film can't be relied on. (Blood the last vampire's had nearly no American/Domestic popularity at all.) By the way those ratings you gave are mostly American/Domestic ratings.

Death note and Blood the last vampire are very similar. They had the same fan base(Japanese). But they have major difference outcomes because of different factors.

Take Death note live action for instance. That is anime live action done well.It premiered in Japan on June 17, 2006 and topped the Japanese box office for two weeks, pushing The Da Vinci Code into second place..The film ended up earning US$41 million in Japan, $1.9 million in Hong Kong. Again we have the foreign factor involve here too. Japanese foreign movie in china/Hong Kong had a low foreign gross, but it still was a success because of it overall gross.

The death note production pros and cons factors.
Pros:It had a solid fanbase (Within it own country). It competed with domestic films(Japan v.s. Japan films). Great Advertisement.
Cons confused .

P.S.
I'm not a fan of blood the last vampire. I read the manga a bit prior to watching the film.
i was surprise of how well it turned out even though it another Hollywood adaption. I thought it was decent.(You can't expect too much from a Hollywood Anime Adaption) Deadguy I think you take things a little bit too personal. No offense..Though I admire your patience.

If you admit the movie was a flop at the box office, then I fail to see your point. What relevance does this movie, which we both admit was a flop that did not earn much money, have to the Avatar: The Last Airbender movie?

You keep on missing my point because you too fixated on the gross alone.
The movie Blood the last vampire flop, but it was a well done anime adaption. Similar to how another adaption Death Note successful money maker and was also well done anime adaption. Both movies are anime adaptions, but they resulted in different outcomes. They both had asians staff were also fans of the manga and anime so what went wrong? Death note (Japan) has far more advantages in producing a better adaption because not only did they have fans hands on producing, but also a glorious fan local market(Domestic Japan) to sell it to. Where as the flop blood the last vampire(American live action) only had fan handling and a overseas market (Japan Foriegn Market). It all came down to handling and authoirty. (Blood the vampire should have never been produce by Hollywood in first place. It was a flop from the beginning)

Nerveless what I tried to point out is the importance of fans or Someone with prior knowledge of the original to have authority to regulate the production. This is something the avatar the last air bender surely lack. Anyone can deduce to that by the "Avatar the last airbender live action cast call". (The massive fan base isn't only in america. It was broadcast around the globe. Alot of the fans aren't even American and doesn't speak english. It was the asian fantasy culture that attracted so much foriegn fans and caucasian fans) Basically I think Avatar the last air bender is walking on a similar road as Blood the last vampire. Flop road.

The fans dont matter all THAT much...

Dragon Ball Evolution sucked harder anything and its still gettin a sequel.

why? because nonfans went to go see it.

[Akira Fudoh]

Spellbinding Truth

deadguy

Spellbinding Truth

deadguy

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You keep on missing the point.
The film was success as an adaption. Not as a money maker, but as an adaption.. It didn't make much money because Hollywood was producing it. It wasn't the anime or movie script that was failing. It was the people selling the movie (Hollywood).
Hollywood failed because from the very beginning they were adapting an Anime that wasn't well known in America. They tried to gross out in a foreign market and overestimated themselves. Though making(95% foreign gross) 5million wasn't high number it was still something. Alot of Foreign people(Most fans) outside U.S. actually went to watch even though it was produce overseas (While many Japanese films were out currently at the sometime). Imagine an American audience watching an chinese production and grossing around 5mil. That scenario isn't likely and it happen with Blood the last vampire. Again Hollywood shouldn't even be producing this film in the first place. It a miracle they made any money at all.

Blood the last Vampire production pros and cons factors.
Pros: It had a solid fanbase.
Cons; Fanbase is located mostly overseas. So it competing in a foriegn market which was an error in judgement)
Lack domestic domestic popularity and recongition (Most anime do because there foriegn). Low advertisment.

@Deadguy your thinking too simpe(Just the gross). A movie production isn't just that simple there are many factors involved. Just because it didn't gross alot of money didn't mean it wasn't a good movie nor a good adaption.. It was just in the wrong hands and debutted in the wrong country. Like you said yourself foriegn gross are usually lower then Domestic gross. How can you expect to movie to gross successfully if the domestic gross of the film can't be relied on. (Blood the last vampire's had nearly no American/Domestic popularity at all.) By the way those ratings you gave are mostly American/Domestic ratings.

Death note and Blood the last vampire are very similar. They had the same fan base(Japanese). But they have major difference outcomes because of different factors.

Take Death note live action for instance. That is anime live action done well.It premiered in Japan on June 17, 2006 and topped the Japanese box office for two weeks, pushing The Da Vinci Code into second place..The film ended up earning US$41 million in Japan, $1.9 million in Hong Kong. Again we have the foreign factor involve here too. Japanese foreign movie in china/Hong Kong had a low foreign gross, but it still was a success because of it overall gross.

The death note production pros and cons factors.
Pros:It had a solid fanbase (Within it own country). It competed with domestic films(Japan v.s. Japan films). Great Advertisement.
Cons confused .

P.S.
I'm not a fan of blood the last vampire. I read the manga a bit prior to watching the film.
i was surprise of how well it turned out even though it another Hollywood adaption. I thought it was decent.(You can't expect too much from a Hollywood Anime Adaption) Deadguy I think you take things a little bit too personal. No offense..Though I admire your patience.

If you admit the movie was a flop at the box office, then I fail to see your point. What relevance does this movie, which we both admit was a flop that did not earn much money, have to the Avatar: The Last Airbender movie?

You keep on missing my point because you too fixated on the gross alone.
The movie Blood the last vampire flop, but it was a well done anime adaption. Similar to how another adaption Death Note successful money maker and was also well done anime adaption. Both movies are anime adaptions, but they resulted in different outcomes. They both had asians staff were also fans of the manga and anime so what went wrong? Death note (Japan) has far more advantages in producing a better adaption because not only did they have fans hands on producing, but also a glorious fan local market(Domestic Japan) to sell it to. Where as the flop blood the last vampire(American live action) only had fan handling and a overseas market (Japan Foriegn Market). It all came down to handling and authoirty. (Blood the vampire should have never been produce by Hollywood in first place. It was a flop from the beginning)

Nerveless what I tried to point out is the importance of fans or Someone with prior knowledge of the original to have authority to regulate the production. This is something the avatar the last air bender surely lack. Anyone can deduce to that by the "Avatar the last airbender live action cast call". (The massive fan base isn't only in america. It was broadcast around the globe. Alot of the fans aren't even American and doesn't speak english. It was the asian fantasy culture that attracted so much foriegn fans and caucasian fans) Basically I think Avatar the last air bender is walking on a similar road as Blood the last vampire. Flop road.

So wait, Blood was a flop, right? A crappy movie which made little to no money, and is generally regarded as low C material by everyone who voted for it? And Blood had fans on hand, who I assume had "prior knowledge of the original" and had "authority to regulate the production", right? So how does that prove that having someone with prior knowledge of the original to have authority to regulate the production make a movie better?

You seem to be saying that Blood and Avatar are completely different, and that's why Avatar is going to suck just like Blood did.

Also, "The movie Blood the last vampire flop, but it was a well done anime adaption" just isn't true. If it were well done, it wouldn't be a flop. We use facts to decide if something is good or not, not opinions, quantifiable numbers that can tell us if something is better than its peers. In the case of movies, those numbers are the profits. If Blood made almost no money, it's considered bad. It is not considered well done if it is bad, those two are opposites. Once again, you are taking a movie you, personally, liked, and saying that, because you liked it, it is good, and it is something other movies should follow, and totaly ignoring the fact that most other people did not like it. You are basing your arguments off your personal opinion, rather than facts, and then saying that that opinion somehow overrides those facts.

Let me be simple:
Blood the last vampire had Japan fan regulation(Good thing), but it was produce in the wrong country.(America/Bad thing) hence wrong audience..It also had some fan support (Good thing). In movie terms it stick to the original material which gain the some fan support. Unfortunately it was in the wrong hands. Wrong country was producing the film. Destined to flop.
Side Note: Death Note is an anime adaption done right with fan regulation.(Should've use this movie as an example. Would've been more clear)

And
The Avatar the last airbender has nearly no fan regulation(Bad thing). It is produce in Hollywood/ America (Good thing). It will lose most of it's fan support because it is not fan regulated (Very bad thing/Fan Boycott). It has unknown appeal to new viewers (Bad thing/ Unstable interest). Adding the cast call will offend the foreign viewers(Bad thing). It doesn't stick to the original key elements (Bad Thing). It might flop worse then Blood the last vampire.Far worse. .

@DeadGuy I think you misinterpreted what I post. Or maybe I wasn't clear. Or I might be confusing you. I'm not a fan of Blood the Last Vampire. I simply pointed out as an anime adaption Blood the last vampire adapted the manga/anime right(The key elements of the story/ Characters/ Style = Successfully adapted). Wether american people like or not it up to them, but the fans(Japanese) liked it. Americans aren't interested in the movie because manga isn't popular in America as oppose to DC/Marvel Comics and still much too foriegn. This is the last time I'm explaining it. Please read carefully. Also this is getting a bit off topic Deadguy. Let's not continue this charade. .

Wasnt Blood a collaboration between American and Japanese studios?

Thats why the original animated movie was in English. The anime series came later.

That movie was based on the original animated feature.

Avatar is an american made cartoon. not anime.

It took a mishmash of all different cultures and made a show of it.

and the reason Blood flopped here? almost no theaters were playing it.
It pretty much went straight to dvd.

[Vixianna]

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Reception, It made 9 mil in America. Not a Success by any means, it has a 13% fresh on rotten tomatoes. Also it cost, $120 mil. So they lost ******** money. It was a ******** flop, it was a flop because it's in the negative, even though it "didn't appeal to the fans" who by the way number near 1 billion counting internationally.

So where is it stated anyway Dead, that by dent of having Asians a movie is pandering to the fans, and it will therefore flop. Or ANY movie that panders to the fans flops. Because I have a host of Deathnote movies in Japan that says you are wrong.