Athiests are glum, grumpy, godless deviants.

[The First Seraphor]

Ari_Oddball of Doom

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Ari_Oddball of Doom

Grape Sodapop

you can take it either way. atheists can either be depressed without a god to love, or happy knowing they don't have any religious constraints. *shrug*

And religious people can be happy knowing there's someone watching over them...

Or feel stalked. Or depressed that they have to abide by a set of rules that the god(s) supply.

Atheists escape this stalking depression through what? So now God doesn't exist; your next problem is man.

Bolded for your benefit. I didn't say all. What if I said there was a person, looking into your life at all times, knowing every single thing you do, good and bad. Wouldn't you feel stalked?

I mean, that's just one idea, and (I can't speak for atheists, because I'm not an atheist) there's other possibilities.

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So now God doesn't exist; your next problem is man.

Erm. >___> Come again?

He means if God isn't possibly stalking you, then the paranoia will come from the possibility of other people stalking you.
The only thing is, other people aren't watching your every move every second of the day.
It is irrational to believe that there are camera's in every nook and cranny. But then the rationality of belief in God is debatable.

[RoseEmber1]

You're insinuating that I want to make a difference in the world, which is probably more a projection of yourself than the actual reality of my own ambitions. I am quite content to live out the rest of my insignificant days because, insignificant or no, they are precious and they are mine. That is what I speak of when I talk about a vast universe that is much bigger than me - the knowledge that I am insignificant, which casts me in awe. It doesn't depress me but amazes me.

As for whether or not I have innate value - stuff it. I will decide whether or not I have value. I will mean something to the people that loved me; I don't need to make a useful discovery or do something Einstein-level to be cherished by them. At the end of my life that is what will have mattered - to love and be loved. It is the gift every human has.

What is your point in this argument, by the way? You are sounding like the stereotype of gloom and doom aethists yet I feel like you are arguing with me because I am an aethist.

[Unemphatic]

Ari_Oddball of Doom

Bolded for your benefit. I didn't say all.

I know, and I didn't assume you said all; I said "Christians" in the general sense.

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What if I said there was a person, looking into your life at all times, knowing every single thing you do, good and bad. Wouldn't you feel stalked?

Depends; after all if I was aware of your presence, and allowed it to be, no. Since God cannot be around sin just sin and not repent; problem solved.

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I mean, that's just one idea, and (I can't speak for atheists, because I'm not an atheist) there's other possibilities.

Yeah, rawr.

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So now God doesn't exist; your next problem is man.

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Erm. >___> Come again?

If man created God then man must be more dangerous than God since God is apparently a very dangerous entity and the Creator always surpasses the Creation in danger through simple design.

Man wanted a Big Brother figure and imposed one simply saying that he was always on your side and would always protect you etc.

[NocturnalByNature]

Ari_Oddball of Doom

NocturnalByNature

Seraphor

LtEarthworm

Seraphor

Then maybe you have a different idea of what 'random' means because if there is no aim, then it is random.
If you throw a load of sticks in the air and when they fall to the ground they form a shape, that shape was formed randomly.
Likewise, when the correct molecules create a Protein/RNA/DNA, it is random, because there is no aim.
The molecules do not naturally seek each other out, they do not think 'hey lets make some life today'. They need to fall into place under the right conditions. Without a specific intention to do this, this can only occur randomly.

Chemical reactions aren't random. If you have a container with hydrogen and oxygen, and you add a flame, you will get water. You won't randomly get HO ions, and the atoms won't randomly rearrange themselves. You will always get water. The same goes for all other chemical reactions. The result is always the same.

But without human interaction, the combination of Hydrogen, Oxygen, and a Flame would rely on chance.
Hydrogen atoms, don't go looking for Oxygen atoms, and they don't seek out a flame in order to make water.

The point is that there are rules to the way molecules behave. Given those rules + the right circumstance (which existed in early earth), certain things naturally happen. It's not random, it's not chance, it's almost inevitable.

Imagine humans as a catalyst then.** You know, a catalyst being a thing used to speed up a reaction rate, or lower the energy needed for a reaction. You're right, it WILL happen eventually, but since we are here, we speed up the process, for good or for evil.

What's your point?

[Amalia Segreta]

If I had to bet and it were possible to know the real answer, I'd bet that the percent of depressed and glum people is equal between atheists and non-atheists.

[Unemphatic]

RoseEmber

You're insinuating that I want to make a difference in the world, which is probably more a projection of yourself than the actual reality of my own ambitions. I am quite content to live out the rest of my insignificant days because, insignificant or no, they are precious and they are mine. That is what I speak of when I talk about a vast universe that is much bigger than me - the knowledge that I am insignificant, which casts me in awe. It doesn't depress me but amazes me.

If you do not wish to contribute then you are definitely not part of something larger than yourself unless you mean in literal terms and not philosophy.

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As for whether or not I have innate value - stuff it.

No.

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I will decide whether or not I have value.

You can try.

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I will mean something to the people that loved me; I don't need to make a useful discovery or do something Einstein-level to be cherished by them.

You're not assured this; people "get over" the dead after all. You might be thought on for a bit, and then just forgotten, or remembered vaguely and periodically when memorabilia comes up.

As important as the dust on their shoes perhaps?

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At the end of my life that is what will have mattered - to love and be loved.

Optimistic Bullshit. If you are insignificant then it doesn't matter; if you don't strive to do anything then loving you is nothing but a waste of time and energy. Why put effort into a being who professes that they will do absolutely nothing and be content.

I have a feeling sending you to college will be a waste of money regardless of whether you get a degree or not; at least with this mentality.

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It is the gift every human has.

Not only can you not prove it, but you are being fairy-land optimistic again.

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What is your point in this argument, by the way?

The point is just as some people believe in religions so do you believe in inane bullshit to coax yourself in your existence and validate your thought processes.

In truth you literally said:

I do not care if I do something major, nor does it matter if I strive, because as long as I have some invalid and temporal emotion all is well.

We, as a race, don't need people like you. No one REALLY needs you to continue on, and thus you're wasting time and space.

Yet your philosophy comforts you. Now you know why christians belive in God and various other religions have their belief systems.

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You are sounding like the stereotype of gloom and doom aethists yet I feel like you are arguing with me because I am an aethist.

No, you asked a question; I just answered via example.

[The First Seraphor]

NocturnalByNature

Seraphor

NocturnalByNature

Seraphor

LtEarthworm

Chemical reactions aren't random. If you have a container with hydrogen and oxygen, and you add a flame, you will get water. You won't randomly get HO ions, and the atoms won't randomly rearrange themselves. You will always get water. The same goes for all other chemical reactions. The result is always the same.

But without human interaction, the combination of Hydrogen, Oxygen, and a Flame would rely on chance.
Hydrogen atoms, don't go looking for Oxygen atoms, and they don't seek out a flame in order to make water.

The point is that there are rules to the way molecules behave. Given those rules + the right circumstance (which existed in early earth), certain things naturally happen. It's not random, it's not chance, it's almost inevitable.

"+ the right circumstance"

That relies on chance.

Those circumstances did not appear out of nowhere perfectly formed. Early earth changed A LOT. Some of those changes were right.

Seraphor

It is not inevitable for the right circumstance to come about, evidently, it didn't happen on many, many other planets.

Proof?

Proof? There is no life on Mercury, because the right circumstances did not occur.

Now you're claiming that the changes that occurred to Earth in it's early stages were intentional? Earth did not choose to be formed out of the elements that it did. That was all random too.
Yes it was right, as it created life, it was the right conditions to form life. It didn't have to be the right conditions to form life, those specific circumstances didn't have to happen. It did but it didn't have to.
Hence, it occurred by chance.

Are you arguing the definition of random, or for creationism, or are you arguing that there is no such thing as chance because every action causes a specific action and only one outcome is inevitable?
If the latter is the case then your argument is futile. You can't argue that one thing is not random if you do not believe 'random' exists at all, and I'll have to take it as trolling because you know how the discussion will end and your intention is to prove the existence or non-existence of a technicality rather than to discuss the topic at hand.

[isochronize]

NocturnalByNature

Ari_Oddball of Doom

NocturnalByNature

Seraphor

LtEarthworm

Seraphor

Then maybe you have a different idea of what 'random' means because if there is no aim, then it is random.
If you throw a load of sticks in the air and when they fall to the ground they form a shape, that shape was formed randomly.
Likewise, when the correct molecules create a Protein/RNA/DNA, it is random, because there is no aim.
The molecules do not naturally seek each other out, they do not think 'hey lets make some life today'. They need to fall into place under the right conditions. Without a specific intention to do this, this can only occur randomly.

Chemical reactions aren't random. If you have a container with hydrogen and oxygen, and you add a flame, you will get water. You won't randomly get HO ions, and the atoms won't randomly rearrange themselves. You will always get water. The same goes for all other chemical reactions. The result is always the same.

But without human interaction, the combination of Hydrogen, Oxygen, and a Flame would rely on chance.
Hydrogen atoms, don't go looking for Oxygen atoms, and they don't seek out a flame in order to make water.

The point is that there are rules to the way molecules behave. Given those rules + the right circumstance (which existed in early earth), certain things naturally happen. It's not random, it's not chance, it's almost inevitable.

Imagine humans as a catalyst then.** You know, a catalyst being a thing used to speed up a reaction rate, or lower the energy needed for a reaction. You're right, it WILL happen eventually, but since we are here, we speed up the process, for good or for evil.

What's your point?

That.... what will happen will happen, but humans are here to make it happen... faster.

[Unemphatic]

Ari_Oddball of Doom

That.... what will happen will happen, but humans are here to make it happen... faster.

Congratulations on designating a purpose for humans to exist; provide evidence that this purpose corresponds to our world indefinitely.

[Michi Kaitaro]

I'm basically atheist and I'm pretty happy with my life. Meaning I have no regrets over what I've done and what I'm going to do (good or bad).

The only reason I dont believe I am truly atheist is because I make fun of God. I mean, my friends either (depending on the situtation) call me "God" or "The Devil". Last time I checked, most atheists didnt make fun of religion.

The reasons I believe I am atheist is because I have done my research on religions and have found none that share my basic beliefs. But I do not agree that the earth was created on luck. I believe that it was evolution (so I take the scientific explanation).

>.> I dont think this makes much since but it does to me...

[Salacia]

simlanna

If I had to bet and it were possible to know the real answer, I'd bet that the percent of depressed and glum people is equal between atheists and non-atheists.

But only 2.5% of the world population is atheist. The other 97.5% has some form of believe. How can those numbers be equal?

[Prince Rilian]

Atheists are g0dless by the very definition of the word.

The idea of there being a g0d makes me glum, grumpy and depressed. How can anyone find any kind of happiness in a belief in a g0d?

[foxcontrol2]

I'm not depressed at all.
3nodding
Thanks for understanding and all that jazz.
biggrin
Finally someone NOT shoving religion down my throat.
whee

[Prince Rilian]

Salacia

simlanna

If I had to bet and it were possible to know the real answer, I'd bet that the percent of depressed and glum people is equal between atheists and non-atheists.

But only 2.5% of the world population is atheist. The other 97.5% has some form of believe. How can those numbers be equal?

Perhaps she didn't word it well enough, but this is what she meant: The percentage of theists that is glum and grumpy is equal to the percentage of atheists that is glum and grumpy. If there were 10 atheists and 100 theists, then maybe 1 atheist and and 10 theists are glum and grumpy, or maybe 2 atheists and 20 theists. It is the same percentage.

[Unemphatic]

Copee

I'm not depressed at all.
3nodding
Thanks for understanding and all that jazz.
biggrin
Finally someone NOT shoving religion down my throat.
whee

._.'

If I was a horny young male I would shove something much more tangible down your atheistic throat and enjoy, without any kind of regret, that God has delivered your mouth onto me!