ANSWER TO HOW SEXUALITY IS NOT SUPERFICIAL

In my sexuality I find that I am:

loved by many and I love in return	14.1%	[ 14 ]
I wait until others prove themselves worthy before I give.	23.2%	[ 23 ]
I am strictly superficial. I don't mind being shallow.	5.1%	[ 5 ]
Human behavior is very much hardwired.	14.1%	[ 14 ]
Sexuality is sacred and derives from our spiritual being.	13.1%	[ 13 ]
More than one of the above,	30.3%	[ 30 ]
Total Votes:			[ 99 ]

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I'd Argue That Humans Are Quite Superficial. We Make Relationships and Friendships Based on Arbitrary Pieces of Information With a Focus on Ways that Best Serve Us. We Marry for Money and For Looks or To Fill Superficially Fill some Void that Wasn't Filled as a Child. We Make Friends With People Whom We Can Use; Those Who are Stronger Than Us, Smarter Than Us, or We Make Friends WIth Those Weaker Than Us to Further Our Reputation. Human Social Interactions are A Fluid Game of Politics That Are Finicky and Change Faster than The Weather.



Humans are Indeed Superficial Animals.

biggrin Lawl, thank you for posting. You seem to be describing a modus operandus that is foreign to me. Let me see if I can break it down until I can better understand it.

1. we focus on what best serves us.

Is this not simple adaptation? For example:

2. we marry for money

This is also referred to in sociobiology as obtaining resources.

It is Adaptation. And it Is Superficial.

Superficial meaning "on the surface?" I cannot believe that what is hardwired for survival is based on a mere super-face presentation.

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See edit in last post.

Your anecdote means nothing here.

And that brings this discussion to a close. This thread does not belong here, this is your feeble attempt to circumvent the ignore system and I will not satisfy you any longer. I already stayed longer than I said I would.

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I am humoring you for the last time: Being hardwired does not prevent something from being superficial.

Gender identity =/= sexual orientation. Just because I'm a queer doesn't mean I'm going to kiss everyone's a** and am "all accepting" or whatever. Being queer doesn't make me exempt to respecting science, logic, and reality.

Why would you ever refer to yourself in such a derogatory manner? confused

Because He's Queer? Oh, Subtle Pun!

I wonder why he would think that his sexuality would be assumed to make him exempt for science.

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Look at How Long Marriages Last. The Ideal "American Family" is Only an Image that Has Been Around Since the 50s and Even then Despite the Prescription For it Few Follow. Divorce Rates are Escalating as People Change from Mate to Mate and These Days Some Don't Bother With the Promise of Forever.

The Ideal "American Family" seems to be a type of commercial. That is if we are both thinking the same. Do you mean like "Leave it to Beaver's" family?

Yes, Like Leave it To Beaver.
The Image of Mom, Dad, and X Kids that All Have a Close and Working Bond based on Communication.

Such a family results not from superficiality but from habits of carefully prepared groundwork. It doesn't just poof out of thin air. A handsome man of property marries a lovely woman of style and poof instant family success. It doesn't work that way and that is the reason so many marriages fail. Because people expect that romantic love will last forever and that there will never be reasons to sacrifice or til the ground for a future season, so to speak.

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I'd Argue That Humans Are Quite Superficial. We Make Relationships and Friendships Based on Arbitrary Pieces of Information With a Focus on Ways that Best Serve Us. We Marry for Money and For Looks or To Fill Superficially Fill some Void that Wasn't Filled as a Child. We Make Friends With People Whom We Can Use; Those Who are Stronger Than Us, Smarter Than Us, or We Make Friends WIth Those Weaker Than Us to Further Our Reputation. Human Social Interactions are A Fluid Game of Politics That Are Finicky and Change Faster than The Weather.



Humans are Indeed Superficial Animals.

biggrin Lawl, thank you for posting. You seem to be describing a modus operandus that is foreign to me. Let me see if I can break it down until I can better understand it.

1. we focus on what best serves us.

Is this not simple adaptation? For example:

2. we marry for money

This is also referred to in sociobiology as obtaining resources.

It is Adaptation. And it Is Superficial.

Superficial meaning "on the surface?" I cannot believe that what is hardwired for survival is based on a mere super-face presentation.

Just Because You Can't Believe it Doesn't Make it False.

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Why would you ever refer to yourself in such a derogatory manner? confused

Because He's Queer? Oh, Subtle Pun!

I wonder why he would think that his sexuality would be assumed to make him exempt for science.

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Look at How Long Marriages Last. The Ideal "American Family" is Only an Image that Has Been Around Since the 50s and Even then Despite the Prescription For it Few Follow. Divorce Rates are Escalating as People Change from Mate to Mate and These Days Some Don't Bother With the Promise of Forever.

The Ideal "American Family" seems to be a type of commercial. That is if we are both thinking the same. Do you mean like "Leave it to Beaver's" family?

Yes, Like Leave it To Beaver.
The Image of Mom, Dad, and X Kids that All Have a Close and Working Bond based on Communication.

Such a family results not from superficiality but from habits of carefully prepared groundwork. It doesn't just poof out of thin air. A handsome man of property marries a lovely woman of style and poof instant family success. It doesn't work that way and that is the reason so many marriages fail. Because people expect that romantic love will last forever and that there will never be reasons to sacrifice or til the ground for a future season, so to speak.

That Is an Illusion of A Family Unit that DOes Not Actually Exist in Real Life Due to the Complicated Nature of Humans and The True Nature of 'Love'

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Edit: As for the queer comment, queer is widely accepted as an umbrella term for hte LGBTQ community. Also, I was not speaking of myself when I mentioned being exempt from logic, that was your implication. You expect me, a transsexual, to be overly sensitive to issues and appeal to them simply because they apply to me. "UR SUPPOSED 2 SAY NAISE THINGZ ABOUT GAYS." Well, I was talking about sexuality as a whole; gay, straight, bi, pan, whatever. Furthermore, it would be illogical for me to try to give it "deeper meaning" simply because I "relate to it" or whatever. I relate no more to sexuality than anyone else, being transgender does not make me "more sexual" than the next guy.

Not at all. I don't have expectations for anyone. I take people as I find them and do my best to accept them for who they are and to love them. Nor did I believe you to be "more sexual" than the next guy. What I did sort of guess that a person who is transgendered or transsexual would be the first one to denounce superficiality as the primary focus of sexuality.

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Because He's Queer? Oh, Subtle Pun!

I wonder why he would think that his sexuality would be assumed to make him exempt for science.

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Look at How Long Marriages Last. The Ideal "American Family" is Only an Image that Has Been Around Since the 50s and Even then Despite the Prescription For it Few Follow. Divorce Rates are Escalating as People Change from Mate to Mate and These Days Some Don't Bother With the Promise of Forever.

The Ideal "American Family" seems to be a type of commercial. That is if we are both thinking the same. Do you mean like "Leave it to Beaver's" family?

Yes, Like Leave it To Beaver.
The Image of Mom, Dad, and X Kids that All Have a Close and Working Bond based on Communication.

Such a family results not from superficiality but from habits of carefully prepared groundwork. It doesn't just poof out of thin air. A handsome man of property marries a lovely woman of style and poof instant family success. It doesn't work that way and that is the reason so many marriages fail. Because people expect that romantic love will last forever and that there will never be reasons to sacrifice or til the ground for a future season, so to speak.

That Is an Illusion of A Family Unit that DOes Not Actually Exist in Real Life Due to the Complicated Nature of Humans and The True Nature of 'Love'

Yes, the Leave it to Beavers who get married and expect everything will be perfect all the time are going to have their bubble popped. They are not prepared to deal with adversity and thus they will fall apart and go plop. That is what happens to those who live by a mostly superficial motivation.

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I'd Argue That Humans Are Quite Superficial. We Make Relationships and Friendships Based on Arbitrary Pieces of Information With a Focus on Ways that Best Serve Us. We Marry for Money and For Looks or To Fill Superficially Fill some Void that Wasn't Filled as a Child. We Make Friends With People Whom We Can Use; Those Who are Stronger Than Us, Smarter Than Us, or We Make Friends WIth Those Weaker Than Us to Further Our Reputation. Human Social Interactions are A Fluid Game of Politics That Are Finicky and Change Faster than The Weather.



Humans are Indeed Superficial Animals.

biggrin Lawl, thank you for posting. You seem to be describing a modus operandus that is foreign to me. Let me see if I can break it down until I can better understand it.

1. we focus on what best serves us.

Is this not simple adaptation? For example:

2. we marry for money

This is also referred to in sociobiology as obtaining resources.

It is Adaptation. And it Is Superficial.

Superficial meaning "on the surface?" I cannot believe that what is hardwired for survival is based on a mere super-face presentation.

Just Because You Can't Believe it Doesn't Make it False.

Let me put it more directly? When is DNA "on the surface?" Answer: never. It is the core of our being, whatever you define "being" as.

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I wonder why he would think that his sexuality would be assumed to make him exempt for science.



The Ideal "American Family" seems to be a type of commercial. That is if we are both thinking the same. Do you mean like "Leave it to Beaver's" family?

Yes, Like Leave it To Beaver.
The Image of Mom, Dad, and X Kids that All Have a Close and Working Bond based on Communication.

Such a family results not from superficiality but from habits of carefully prepared groundwork. It doesn't just poof out of thin air. A handsome man of property marries a lovely woman of style and poof instant family success. It doesn't work that way and that is the reason so many marriages fail. Because people expect that romantic love will last forever and that there will never be reasons to sacrifice or til the ground for a future season, so to speak.

That Is an Illusion of A Family Unit that DOes Not Actually Exist in Real Life Due to the Complicated Nature of Humans and The True Nature of 'Love'

Yes, the Leave it to Beavers who get married and expect everything will be perfect all the time are going to have their bubble popped. They are not prepared to deal with adversity and thus they will fall apart and go plop. That is what happens to those who live by a mostly superficial motivation.

The Truth is The Dad is ACtually Gay and He Caught AIDS from His Lover and Gave it To His Wife, Which WIll Orphan the Two Beaver Children in 15 Years Time.

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I'd Argue That Humans Are Quite Superficial. We Make Relationships and Friendships Based on Arbitrary Pieces of Information With a Focus on Ways that Best Serve Us. We Marry for Money and For Looks or To Fill Superficially Fill some Void that Wasn't Filled as a Child. We Make Friends With People Whom We Can Use; Those Who are Stronger Than Us, Smarter Than Us, or We Make Friends WIth Those Weaker Than Us to Further Our Reputation. Human Social Interactions are A Fluid Game of Politics That Are Finicky and Change Faster than The Weather.



Humans are Indeed Superficial Animals.

biggrin Lawl, thank you for posting. You seem to be describing a modus operandus that is foreign to me. Let me see if I can break it down until I can better understand it.

1. we focus on what best serves us.

Is this not simple adaptation? For example:

2. we marry for money

This is also referred to in sociobiology as obtaining resources.

It is Adaptation. And it Is Superficial.

Superficial meaning "on the surface?" I cannot believe that what is hardwired for survival is based on a mere super-face presentation.

Just Because You Can't Believe it Doesn't Make it False.

Let me put it more directly? When is DNA "on the surface?" Answer: never. It is the core of our being, whatever you define "being" as.

DNA=/= Social Conditioning.
Love is a Social Condition, Otherwise Men Would Just ******** and Leave. Thats Even Science. The More Women there Are The Less Likely a Man is To Remain Faithful to a Monogamous Relationship.

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Well... I guess my first point must be in your phrasal of stating that determinism isn't poetic, there is a certain artistic symmetry, beauty and poetry in determinism. an example would be fractals.

Almost everything in nature can be seen deterministically.

A very simple mathematical formulae can represent and predict natural phenomena such as the growth of leaves on a tree, to the flight of birds.

Anywho, most animals do mate on a superficial basis. The majority mate through:
Conquest: being the loudest, strongest, with the best song e.g. fight for your right to mate with a desired female.

Matchmaking: Those with the most dissimilar or most desirable genes, expressed as a marking, song, scent, etc. e.g. pheromones, feather patterns of a peacock.

Opportunity: More or less, the animal kingdom form of rape e.g. in a desert where there are few animals of the same species, just take the opportunity and do it.

Random chance: Blindly mating e.g. trees, mutation during asexual reproduction e.g. amoeba, viruses

The former are purely superficial, the latter are degrees of random chance.

There is nothing there that could be called a conscious decision.

But then once we bring an added layer of complexity, being an additional layer of intelligence, perhaps we are given the choice a little more.

Let's start with who we are attracted to, same physical gender or not:
Biologically, this is a form of population control. At some point in our evolution, it turned out beneicial to
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The Truth is The Dad is ACtually Gay and He Caught AIDS from His Lover and Gave it To His Wife, Which WIll Orphan the Two Beaver Children in 15 Years Time.

This sounds more like it belongs on the couplets thread. Can you make it rhyme? blaugh


The truth is that Dad is actually Gay,
I am not even kidding this happened last May,
He caught aids from his lover then passed it on to the mother
of his children who hence have bcome orphaned today!

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DNA=/= Social Conditioning.
Love is a Social Condition, Otherwise Men Would Just ******** and Leave. Thats Even Science. The More Women there Are The Less Likely a Man is To Remain Faithful to a Monogamous Relationship

Source the last sentence. I have a different take on this. If it is not adaptive to be married then we would not do it. In sociobiology everything we do, even our culture is an expression of our adaptation.

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The Truth is The Dad is ACtually Gay and He Caught AIDS from His Lover and Gave it To His Wife, Which WIll Orphan the Two Beaver Children in 15 Years Time.

This sounds more like it belongs on the couplets thread. Can you make it rhyme? blaugh


The truth is that Dad is actually Gay,
I am not even kidding this happened last May,
He caught aids from his lover then passed it on to the mother
of his children who hence have bcome orphaned today!

My Dad Turned into a Homosexual
He Caught AIDS from His Boyfriend's Testicles.

On an Aside, That's Actually a True Story. It Just Happened to My Politics Teacher.

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Well... I guess my first point must be in your phrasal of stating that determinism isn't poetic, there is a certain artistic symmetry, beauty and poetry in determinism. an example would be fractals.

Almost everything in nature can be seen deterministically.

lu-tze, I made the point of saying "poetic" to those who do not science speak. Nature is amazing. Some of us are not as apt at using the language of math and science to explain our thoughts. I look forward to your next post, sir.