ANSWER TO HOW SEXUALITY IS NOT SUPERFICIAL

In my sexuality I find that I am:

loved by many and I love in return	14.1%	[ 14 ]
I wait until others prove themselves worthy before I give.	23.2%	[ 23 ]
I am strictly superficial. I don't mind being shallow.	5.1%	[ 5 ]
Human behavior is very much hardwired.	14.1%	[ 14 ]
Sexuality is sacred and derives from our spiritual being.	13.1%	[ 13 ]
More than one of the above,	30.3%	[ 30 ]
Total Votes:			[ 99 ]

[Methcalarjalope]

I would argue that like animals, men and women can masturbate for relief with no more intent than the relief itself. I know the difference between spending time fantasizing and just getting off quickly because of built up pressure with no more fantasy than just the urge to let off steam and relieve myself.

[Methcalarjalope]

This topic is not about deciding to refrain from sex, but rather to point out that we also have emotions and what are also called "instincts" and physical pressures that are not unlike hunger which are involved in sexuality.

[HelloNoora]

Syndactyly

You do realize that I'm not going to talk to you about this.

No matter how many mules you throw at me or threads you make. Your argument failed the first time, it fails this time too.

As for your claim about my gender identity, it's completely false. Gender identity is completely separate from sexuality, as I've had to explain many times in this thread. Furthermore, gender identity is not based on superficial qualities. But yes, if you want to get technical, I am reduced to my physical form when we are discussing superficial matters. However, sex is not limited to just genitals. I am neither male nor female because my secondary sexual characteristics are inconsistent with my genialia, which also have been hormonally masculinized (changing their physical form and appearance). Gender identity has also been linked to 50 genes, so actually it is starting to look just about as physically tangeable and provable as genitals are, except we have not yet run these trials on humans.

So if it is hardwired then how is it superficial? It would seem to be intrinsic, for lack of a better word. As a transgendered person it would seem that you would be one to say that sexuality is other than superficial, but rather something deeper or more about the core of one's being, not at the surface.

[Syndactyly]

I am humoring you for the last time: Being hardwired does not prevent something from being superficial.

Gender identity =/= sexual orientation. Just because I'm a queer doesn't mean I'm going to kiss everyone's a** and am "all accepting" or whatever. Being queer doesn't make me exempt to respecting science, logic, and reality. Also, it can be the core of one's being... and STILL be superficial.

See, the sexuality is based on SUPERFICIAL traits, that's what makes it superficial. I have not once said that sexuality is "on the surface" of someone's personality. You're twisting my words.

Give it up already. This thread is obviously misplaced, it is a feeble attempt to circumvent the ignore system... And I could report this kind of s**t for harassment, but I won't because that would be extremely petty.

[PC Stuch Troll]

Methcalarjalope

Our sexuality is a significant portion of who we are at the core of our being. Even if you view human beings as a set of behaviors resultant from gene-prompts otherwise known as instincts. Our sexuality is there at the creation of who we are yet how it is expressed is also a cultural construct and sometimes to a very narrow degree dependant on the pressures of a given culture to conform.

Whether you view this through the lens of a kind of determinism, or if you are an artistic type who views human nature more poetically, you and I as human beings have complex and multi-layered "selves" that require nurturance to thrive enough to make an appearance on the horizon of our time allotted in life. We will never be musicians if never make music, in other words. We may have music within us, but the world will never hear it if we do not give expression to this music, and this requires permission or encouragement. In a world were music is forbidden we are left to humming quietly in our room or walking deep into the forest to let forth a gale of soulful notes.

Sexuality is also about whom we attract. There is a sad saying from The Wizard of Oz, that a man is not counted by how much he loved but by how much he was loved by others. This is also a theme of Dicken's, A Christmas Carol. We can be like the Tin Man with no heart, who found the gift he sought at the end of his journey. He was beloved! Or we can find ourselves like Scrouge, who never gave and never loved by held back demanding others give to him first.


Animals do not mate based upon strictly superfical reasons, therefore as we are also animals, neither do we. Sexuality and mating is either hardwired or at some level a part of who we are at the core of our being. There is some mate selection involved based upon traits, but their is also the instinct itself, that like hunger drives us to eat or to mate irrespective of superficial traits. But unlike many other animals, we may chose to go hungry until we starve. We can chose to refrain from sex if we decide it. This topic is not about chastity.

Animals are not superficial and neither are we. I would expect that the proof of this is the man or woman who deeply believes he or she was born the wrong gender.


Position: Human Sexuality is NOT entirely superficial at all.

I'd Argue That Humans Are Quite Superficial. We Make Relationships and Friendships Based on Arbitrary Pieces of Information With a Focus on Ways that Best Serve Us. We Marry for Money and For Looks or To Fill Superficially Fill some Void that Wasn't Filled as a Child. We Make Friends With People Whom We Can Use; Those Who are Stronger Than Us, Smarter Than Us, or We Make Friends WIth Those Weaker Than Us to Further Our Reputation. Human Social Interactions are A Fluid Game of Politics That Are Finicky and Change Faster than The Weather.

Look at How Long Marriages Last. The Ideal "American Family" is Only an Image that Has Been Around Since the 50s and Even then Despite the Prescription For it Few Follow. Divorce Rates are Escalating as People Change from Mate to Mate and These Days Some Don't Bother With the Promise of Forever.

Humans are Indeed Superficial Animals.

[Methcalarjalope]

Quote:

I am humoring you for the last time: Being hardwired does not prevent something from being superficial.

Gender identity =/= sexual orientation. Just because I'm a queer doesn't mean I'm going to kiss everyone's a** and am "all accepting" or whatever. Being queer doesn't make me exempt to respecting science, logic, and reality.

Why would you ever refer to yourself in such a derogatory manner? confused

[PC Stuch Troll]

Methcalarjalope

Quote:

I am humoring you for the last time: Being hardwired does not prevent something from being superficial.

Gender identity =/= sexual orientation. Just because I'm a queer doesn't mean I'm going to kiss everyone's a** and am "all accepting" or whatever. Being queer doesn't make me exempt to respecting science, logic, and reality.

Why would you ever refer to yourself in such a derogatory manner? confused

Because He's Queer? Oh, Subtle Pun!

[Methcalarjalope]

Quote:

I'd Argue That Humans Are Quite Superficial. We Make Relationships and Friendships Based on Arbitrary Pieces of Information With a Focus on Ways that Best Serve Us. We Marry for Money and For Looks or To Fill Superficially Fill some Void that Wasn't Filled as a Child. We Make Friends With People Whom We Can Use; Those Who are Stronger Than Us, Smarter Than Us, or We Make Friends WIth Those Weaker Than Us to Further Our Reputation. Human Social Interactions are A Fluid Game of Politics That Are Finicky and Change Faster than The Weather.



Humans are Indeed Superficial Animals.

biggrin Lawl, thank you for posting. You seem to be describing a modus operandus that is foreign to me. Let me see if I can break it down until I can better understand it.

1. we focus on what best serves us.

Is this not simple adaptation? For example:

2. we marry for money

This is also referred to in sociobiology as obtaining resources.

[Rookherst Returned]

Methcalarjalope

Position: Human Sexuality is NOT entirely superficial at all.

Superficial...maybe not. Irrelevant? Entirely.

[Methcalarjalope]

PC Stuch Troll

Methcalarjalope

Quote:

I am humoring you for the last time: Being hardwired does not prevent something from being superficial.

Gender identity =/= sexual orientation. Just because I'm a queer doesn't mean I'm going to kiss everyone's a** and am "all accepting" or whatever. Being queer doesn't make me exempt to respecting science, logic, and reality.

Why would you ever refer to yourself in such a derogatory manner? confused

Because He's Queer? Oh, Subtle Pun!

I wonder why he would think that his sexuality would be assumed to make him exempt for science.

Quote:

Look at How Long Marriages Last. The Ideal "American Family" is Only an Image that Has Been Around Since the 50s and Even then Despite the Prescription For it Few Follow. Divorce Rates are Escalating as People Change from Mate to Mate and These Days Some Don't Bother With the Promise of Forever.

The Ideal "American Family" seems to be a type of commercial. That is if we are both thinking the same. Do you mean like "Leave it to Beaver's" family?

[PC Stuch Troll]

Methcalarjalope

Quote:

I'd Argue That Humans Are Quite Superficial. We Make Relationships and Friendships Based on Arbitrary Pieces of Information With a Focus on Ways that Best Serve Us. We Marry for Money and For Looks or To Fill Superficially Fill some Void that Wasn't Filled as a Child. We Make Friends With People Whom We Can Use; Those Who are Stronger Than Us, Smarter Than Us, or We Make Friends WIth Those Weaker Than Us to Further Our Reputation. Human Social Interactions are A Fluid Game of Politics That Are Finicky and Change Faster than The Weather.



Humans are Indeed Superficial Animals.

biggrin Lawl, thank you for posting. You seem to be describing a modus operandus that is foreign to me. Let me see if I can break it down until I can better understand it.

1. we focus on what best serves us.

Is this not simple adaptation? For example:

2. we marry for money

This is also referred to in sociobiology as obtaining resources.

It is Adaptation. And it Is Superficial.

[Syndactyly]

Rookherst Returned

Methcalarjalope

Position: Human Sexuality is NOT entirely superficial at all.

Superficial...maybe not. Irrelevant? Entirely.

Was that in her post? I missed that.

She's spoodfeeding s**t into my argument now. I never said human sexuality was ENTIRELY superficial, just largely based off of superficial concepts. It CAN include non-superficial elements, but on a fundamental level relies on superficial concepts (genitals being a "requirement" or a "deal breaker" in choosing a partner).

Edit: As for the queer comment, queer is widely accepted as an umbrella term for hte LGBTQ community. Also, I was not speaking of myself when I mentioned being exempt from logic, that was your implication. You expect me, a transsexual, to be overly sensitive to issues and appeal to them simply because they apply to me. "UR SUPPOSED 2 SAY NAISE THINGZ ABOUT GAYS." Well, I was talking about sexuality as a whole; gay, straight, bi, pan, whatever. Furthermore, it would be illogical for me to try to give it "deeper meaning" simply because I "relate to it" or whatever. I relate no more to sexuality than anyone else, being transgender does not make me "more sexual" than the next guy.

[Methcalarjalope]

Rookherst Returned

Methcalarjalope

Position: Human Sexuality is NOT entirely superficial at all.

Superficial...maybe not. Irrelevant? Entirely.

Are you saying that sexuality is entirely irrelevant? What have you stated, sir?

[PC Stuch Troll]

Methcalarjalope

PC Stuch Troll

Methcalarjalope

Quote:

I am humoring you for the last time: Being hardwired does not prevent something from being superficial.

Gender identity =/= sexual orientation. Just because I'm a queer doesn't mean I'm going to kiss everyone's a** and am "all accepting" or whatever. Being queer doesn't make me exempt to respecting science, logic, and reality.

Why would you ever refer to yourself in such a derogatory manner? confused

Because He's Queer? Oh, Subtle Pun!

I wonder why he would think that his sexuality would be assumed to make him exempt for science.

Quote:

Look at How Long Marriages Last. The Ideal "American Family" is Only an Image that Has Been Around Since the 50s and Even then Despite the Prescription For it Few Follow. Divorce Rates are Escalating as People Change from Mate to Mate and These Days Some Don't Bother With the Promise of Forever.

The Ideal "American Family" seems to be a type of commercial. That is if we are both thinking the same. Do you mean like "Leave it to Beaver's" family?

Yes, Like Leave it To Beaver.
The Image of Mom, Dad, and X Kids that All Have a Close and Working Bond based on Communication.

[Methcalarjalope]

Syndactyly

Rookherst Returned

Methcalarjalope

Position: Human Sexuality is NOT entirely superficial at all.

Superficial...maybe not. Irrelevant? Entirely.

Was that in her post? I missed that.

She's spoodfeeding s**t into my argument now. I never said human sexuality was ENTIRELY superficial, just largely based off of superficial concepts. It CAN include non-superficial elements, but on a fundamental level relies on superficial concepts (genitals being a "requirement" or a "deal breaker" in choosing a partner).

Yet I read many posts from people who stated that genitals were not ultimately deal breakers for them. I testified of my passion for a hermaphrodite who presented as male but had very wet external genitalia that looked neither male nor female exactly.