Anonymous are Terrorists and Bigots. Scientology FAQ <3

[Mightier Than You]

Lieutenant_Charon

It sure as hell pleases whoever owns the corporation.

Er, s**t, I mean religion.

Calm yourself; let her explain. Nothing is gained by pointing the finger as an outsider.

[Z3Ncat]

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Z3Ncat

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A Liberal Media

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have you not seen the bigotry on February 10th?

there was no bigotry on february tenth, just the distribution of facts.

do you like it, knowing that your religious leaders treat you as nothing but a piece of cattle to be milked for money?

1. Lies, not facts
2. They don't treat us as piece of cattle. We give donations, not "payments".

And I "donate" to Gaia to receive Monthly Collectibles.

Its still a donation.

Actually, no, it's a PAYMENT. I hand over money with the expectation that I will receive goods/services in return. If I didn't hand over the money, Gaia would not hand over the MC. If I handed over the money and Gaia DIDN'T reciprocate with the MC, then I would have grounds to take legal action against them to get my money refunded to me. A donation is given without any expectation of reciprocation or exchange, and it is NOT a requirement for receiving any sort of goods/services. Requiring one to hand over a certain amount of money in exchange for auditing/seminars/whatever is a BUSINESS TRANSACTION, and therefore makes scientology a BUSINESS. Which means it has no right to claim tax-exempt status.

[Stargazer136]

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Trorbes

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A More Vain Sex God

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1. Lies, not facts
2. They don't treat us as piece of cattle. We give donations, not "payments".

Very well, is it true that you must exceed a certain amount in donations to attain another segment of a course?

Yes, that is true.

In other words, you must give them money in order to advance?

But let’s not forget that organized religions need funds to keep their churches afloat—they just rely on donations. We Scientologists are no different: the Church just happen to be straightforward about its financial needs. I’d prefer that over the guilt-inducing glares of senior citizens when the donation basket is passed around.

Yes they need funds but YOU don’t have to give it to them if you don’t want to. However Scientology practically forces you to give from what Ive heard. And guilt-trip my a**, let the old biddies stare all they want, my money is staying in my hand/pocket/wallet, wherever

[Sheena Bandy]

Let us not forget Operation Snow White...

They'll say and do anything to make their corporation look good.

[Mightier Than You]

Z3Ncat

Actually, no, it's a PAYMENT. I hand over money with the expectation that I will receive goods/services in return. If I didn't hand over the money, Gaia would not hand over the MC. If I handed over the money and Gaia DIDN'T reciprocate with the MC, then I would have grounds to take legal action against them to get my money refunded to me. A donation is given without any expectation of reciprocation or exchange, and it is NOT a requirement for receiving any sort of goods/services.

That clause is not true. For instance, if you should donate to a church the service you're "paying for" is actually a religious service, you're paying to maintain the church and in truth you reap benefits from tithing twice, it's tax deductable and it funds your own religion. Gaia isn't exactly the same, but it falls under the same category, or it did when it was starting. Buying new servers and whatnot was done with donations therefore you were paying to maintain your own hangout, but it wasn't mandatory to use the website. A payment for a good or service is always mandatory to use the goods or services.

For instance, a pay-porn-site. Getting in without paying is illegal and considered thievery/piracy.

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Requiring one to hand over a certain amount of money in exchange for auditing/seminars/whatever is a BUSINESS TRANSACTION, and therefore makes scientology a BUSINESS. Which means it has no right to claim tax-exempt status.

I'll let that point go; I am not supporting nor denying it as I'd rather read the books behind this, legal books that is, before supporting such a cause. Too many people are ignorant of law as it is.

[Trorbes]

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Yes, that is true.

In other words, you must give them money in order to advance?

But let’s not forget that organized religions need funds to keep their churches afloat—they just rely on donations. We Scientologists are no different: the Church just happen to be straightforward about its financial needs. I’d prefer that over the guilt-inducing glares of senior citizens when the donation basket is passed around.

That is the line between a charitable donation and a business transaction. Further, no other religion requires "donations" in order to advance, or even learn about the theology.

Prove it ratehr than making such a vast generalization...

I'm afraid I cannot prove that no other religion makes you pay, as there are numerous religions and dozens of sects within each one. Simply writing a list here would probably take too much space; the research could take days, maybe weeks to compile enough sources. However, if you have anything to counter my statement, I would be very happy.

[Trorbes]

Sheena Bandy

Let us not forget Operation Snow White...

They'll say and do anything to make their corporation look good.

And sue whoever dissents.

[Whom]

It is entirely possible to study to become a Bar or Bat Mitzvah without having to pay money. The underprivileged can get tutored by volunteers, and it doesn't cost money to lead a service. The Torah can be read online, in the original language, for free.

Can the same be said of Scientology?

[Z3Ncat]

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Trorbes

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Yes, that is true.

In other words, you must give them money in order to advance?

But let’s not forget that organized religions need funds to keep their churches afloat—they just rely on donations. We Scientologists are no different: the Church just happen to be straightforward about its financial needs. I’d prefer that over the guilt-inducing glares of senior citizens when the donation basket is passed around.

That is the line between a charitable donation and a business transaction. Further, no other religion requires "donations" in order to advance, or even learn about the theology.

Prove it ratehr than making such a vast generalization...

Simple. I was raised as a Christian - my church never required my parents to pay sums of money for me to go to Sunday School, or receive my first communion, or to qualify for confirmation. I am as well versed in our church's doctrine and in Christian theology as any other person who's attended church for 23 years and hasn't majored in theology.
I've known, spoken to, and debated religion with Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, and those of the Jewish faith. I've studied the basics of each of those religions in turn. Never once have I come across the idea that one must pay certain expected sums of money to learn the basic tenets of the faith.

[Mightier Than You]

Trorbes

I'm afraid I cannot prove that no other religion makes you pay, as there are numerous religions and dozens of sects within them. Simply writing it here would probably take too much space; the research could take days, maybe weeks to compile enough sources. However, if you have anything to counter my statement, I would be very happy.

Not days or weeks, years. You have at least 4,000 seperate ideas to cover.

[TagraNar]

A More Vain Sex God

That clause is not true. For instance, if you should donate to a church the service you're "paying for" is actually a religious service, you're paying to maintain the church and in truth you reap benefits from tithing twice, it's tax deductable and it funds your own religion. Gaia isn't exactly the same, but it falls under the same category, or it did when it was starting. Buying new servers and whatnot was done with donations therefore you were paying to maintain your own hangout, but it wasn't mandatory to use the website. A payment for a good or service is always mandatory to use the goods or services.

Problem being that I can go to church and learn everything about Jesus and his message without paying a dime. Those donations truly are given freely, even if the incentive is to keep the whole place up and working. To advance to any level of knowledge in Scientology, as far as I am aware, you must pay. You don't pay, you don't advance.

[Trorbes]

Whom

It is entirely possible to study to become a Bar or Bat Mitzvah without having to pay money. The underprivileged can get tutored by volunteers, and it doesn't cost money to lead a service. The Torah can be read online, in the original language, for free.

Can the same be said of Scientology?

I believe many of the documents describing its theology have fallen into public domain due to their use as evidence in many of the lawsuits.

[Lexenos]

Lexenos

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Well, its not. You might want to visit scientology.org for the real information.

Is scientology.org run by scientologists? If so, then it's unfortunately baised. Not to many people will say bad things about their own religion.

Totally KSW

Well, the information that is purportedly criticizing us can be written by anyone, namely bigots.

Just because it has the capacity to be written by bigots, doesn't mean it was.

Totally KSW

Yes, true. However, the accounts of those who claim to be ex-scientologists is not very trustworthy. Psychiatrists have led them out of the church, which is why.

Is this absolutely true with all ex-members? And besides, who are you to say that the psychiatrists are completely wrong?

Lex

Reply please.

Lex

[Mightier Than You]

Z3Ncat

Simple. I was raised as a Christian - my church never required my parents to pay sums of money for me to go to Sunday School, or receive my first communion, or to qualify for confirmation. I am as well versed in our church's doctrine and in Christian theology as any other person who's attended church for 23 years and hasn't majored in theology.

I've known, spoken to, and debated religion with Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, and those of the Jewish faith. I've studied the basics of each of those religions in turn. Never once have I come across the idea that one must pay certain expected sums of money to learn the basic tenets of the faith.

But I have. The world isn't comprised of 6 or 7 religions; some of the underground religions and 'cults' do have the pay-your-way doctrine. Scientology just happens to be larger enough to catch the eye but there are various religions which required either money or some kind of payment that wasn't neccessarily coin based.

[Pseudo-Onkelos]

How can you call Anonymous, terrorists? That's like Paul Fetch (Carnes) saying, "Anonymous are like the Ku Klux Klan, they hide behind masks!" How can you call them "bigots"? Is this more propaganda spread out by the CoS? No, forget it. I'll just tell you why Anonymous will reign.