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IMO, the Jews hold up more as an example next to PSYCHIATRISTS, more than they do towards SCIENTOLOGISTS.

I'm sorry, but... nobody has ever assumed Scientology to be anything major in any industry or government. Though there is a conspiracy, it's a poorly conceived one at that, and I'm sorry, but... everybody knows how ******** loopy Scientologists are. Everybody except the Scientologists.

And yet, you folks go on and on and on about the "EVILS" of psychology, despite how many lives have been helped. You go on and on about how Psychiatrists are just "in it for the money," while the Church of Scientology hypocritically asks for thousands upon thousands of dollars just to ******** with people's heads even more.

Scientologist, I label thee "TROLL"!

(I agree there are ways other than medication, however there are also ways other than the s**t Scientology pulls.)
Totally KSW
John Calvin
Totally KSW
Excuse me, sweetie: PROVE IT rather than just naming it.


Here's the part where you commit another logical fallacy. You say that it was psychiatry that "led the German masses to get brainwashed." Telling me to prove something, when clearly, you made a claim, is called "shifting the burden of proof." Stop commiting logical fallacies.

I'm not committing fallacies. How about you stop? Maybe you should get your information from the Church of Scientology rather than the internet.
I herd that the SO$ was based in France and is currently run by a Jew with a monkey's paw. I can't give you a source, because you're not a high-paying donate machine for the CO$ sad
Totally KSW
John Calvin
Totally KSW
Excuse me, sweetie: PROVE IT rather than just naming it.


Here's the part where you commit another logical fallacy. You say that it was psychiatry that "led the German masses to get brainwashed." Telling me to prove something, when clearly, you made a claim, is called "shifting the burden of proof." Stop commiting logical fallacies.

I'm not committing fallacies. How about you stop? Maybe you should get your information from the Church of Scientology rather than the internet.

That's it, you are definitely a troll. I simply cannot fathom you being seriously this stupid.

It's over, guys, just ignore the troll.
TagraNar

Either me brain ain't working or you aren't making a lick of sense. Yes, a person can donate as much as they like with the sole intent being to donate. But, for the person wishing to advance and learn more about their faith, they must pay up. It's not a donation, it's a fee and a cost.


I'll be as simple as possible: If advance is not required then it is of one's own will to advance. The payments are not required if one does not want to pay them. As long as you can maintain the status of Scientologist without paying a dime it is all donation.*

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For instance, let's talk about advancement in society as far as certain rituals; marriage is an easy one. You have to pay for marriage. It is required you pay for the liscense, and expected you pay for the priest. Therefore it is a good or service; isn't that enough to remove tax exempt status? Actually, I'd have to look it up.


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Marriage is not inherently necessary to advance in society. A person can start up a business without being married and can advance through that.


A business requires a liscense as well actually. Regardless.

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The license, if I'm not mistaken, is a government license, not necessarily a religious one.
It actually acts as both. You can be pronounced married of course by anyone, therefore without some kind of showing that you went through the ceremony it's pretty pointless to even have the status. I could, at this moment, claim to have married you. Does that mean it's recognized by anyone? No.

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And, as the government is not a religion, it does not play by the same rules. I am not completely aware of all of the expenses in getting married, but not all of it is because of the priest and the religious ceremony. I find it very likely that a priest could perform such a ceremony without any sort of payment, if he so chooses. I don't think you'll find the same sentiment within Scientology.


I am almost sure one of out however many priests in scientology might perform a service for free even if they are encouraged not to because that's general human nature; someone's always going to be a softee. Even with that said, in most cases you are expect to pay the priest, oh, and to be a priest to begin with requires a liscense and schooling, some of which is more expensive than the local state uni. None of it's free. None of it.

The only flaw that lies in scientology that people can attack is the inability to openly study the religion. It is not required, to my knowledge, that you advance at any point; just encouraged. The other flaws about people dying and whatnot are problematic, but some of those cases are pretty old too.
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Totally KSW
I'm not committing fallacies. How about you stop? Maybe you should get your information from the Church of Scientology rather than the internet.


Yes, you are commiting logical fallacies. You've commited this one, this one, this one, and this one. Oh, and by the way, the Church of Scientology has a website, which is on the Internet. That's self-defeating, according to you.
Oh wow, what a troll. Somebody get the fire and acid, that's the only way to overcome it's regeneration!
Lexenos
Lexenos
Totally KSW
Well, its not. You might want to visit scientology.org for the real information.


Is scientology.org run by scientologists? If so, then it's unfortunately baised. Not to many people will say bad things about their own religion.

Totally KSW
Well, the information that is purportedly criticizing us can be written by anyone, namely bigots.


Just because it has the capacity to be written by bigots, doesn't mean it was.

Totally KSW
Yes, true. However, the accounts of those who claim to be ex-scientologists is not very trustworthy. Psychiatrists have led them out of the church, which is why.


Is this absolutely true with all ex-members? And besides, who are you to say that the psychiatrists are completely wrong?

Lex


Reply please.

Lex


Stop ignoring this, troll, and answer the questions.

Lex
Hay guys: $Troll is no longer debating due to persection.
Captain Verd
Hay guys: $Troll is no longer debating due to persection.

Pool closed due to Thetans?
Captain Verd
Hay guys: $Troll is no longer debating due to persection.


Bah, there goes my fun for the night. Oh well, Abortion ho'!
Excuse me, how exactly do you explain the death of Lisa McPharson? (Spelling may be off. Sorry)
So, um, are people who aren't shoved up L.R hubbard's a** allowed to post?
Terror_Hubris
So, um, are people who aren't shoved up L.R hubbard's a** allowed to post?


Actually, those who ARE aren't allowed to post. At all. Ever.
Scientology does NOT allow its followers to go on the internet. Stop falling for the ******** obvious troll, you dumbasses.
A More Vain Sex God
I'll be as simple as possible: If advance is not required then it is of one's own will to advance. The payments are not required if one does not want to pay them. As long as you can maintain the status of Scientologist without paying a dime it is all donation.*

And yet you will never learn anything more. Take the Christian and the Scientologist. Both wish to advance their knowledge of their faith through legitimate means. The Christian can learn without paying a dime, by attending church and other services the church provides. He can advance freely. The Scientologist cannot. He must pay to advance each level. He cannot learn freely.
Even Wicca, a mystery religion, does not force it's adherents to pay to advance. They must simply go through the processes.
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A business requires a liscense as well actually. Regardless.

Yes, regardless, as that is irrelevent to the discussion.
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It actually acts as both. You can be pronounced married of course by anyone, therefore without some kind of showing that you went through the ceremony it's pretty pointless to even have the status. I could, at this moment, claim to have married you. Does that mean it's recognized by anyone? No.

Not legally pronounced, if I remember correctly. But you can get married and completely bypass any religious ceremony.
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I am almost sure one of out however many priests in scientology might perform a service for free even if they are encouraged not to because that's general human nature; someone's always going to be a softee.

The point is, he can. The Scientologist cannot. Not without some major s**t going down afterwards.
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The only flaw that lies in scientology that people can attack is the inability to openly study the religion. It is not required, to my knowledge, that you advance at any point; just encouraged. The other flaws about people dying and whatnot are problematic, but some of those cases are pretty old too.

No, the flaw is that they have to pay out the nose to do so. I've got no problem with mystery religions; Wicca is one and the Greeks had quite a few. But the knowledge, sacred knowledge which extends beyond this existence, shouldn't cost exorbitant fees to learn. And people object to Scientology on this point because it very much looks like a scam to get money out of people.
Now *this* is how trolling is supposed to be done. Great work!

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