Analyzing/Explaining the Best/Most Common Zombie Weapons

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Actually, your more likely to drop a zombie in a single shot with a hunting rifle than a semi-automatic or fully-automatic weapon. They are louder, and heavier, but they cost less, ammo is VERY common, and they aren't that hard to use. You just need to know how. I would use a Mosin-Nagant instead of an AR-15 because I would rather have one big kicks than multiple small ones.

A rifle that fires 7.62x54 will do more than a rifle that fires 5.56 in general. If you had an assault battle rifle that fired 7.62x54 or 51 NATO, you'd do more than a rifle firing .223 or 5.56 NATO. Ammo, not gun. The gun will change the rate of fire, range, and accuracy, but will hardly ever had a significant effect on the comparable damages of different types of rounds.

Battle rifles fire full-powered rifle ammunition, assault rifles fire intermediate caliber ammunition. (And you can't get either in a month 'cause they're class 3.) Also, I would not want a rifle like that. xd

I mean- people complain about the kick of the Mosin. Just think about how much a selective fire Mosin would hurt if you fired it faster than you could work a bolt.

Try a PSL. The action dampens it a bit.

Well, with the number of nations that used the semi-automatic FN FAL, the battle rifle does not strictly need to be select-fire. Hell, MOST battle rifles were semi-automatic. The Garand, FN FAL, Dragunov (though that's more of a DMR).

I know, but they weren't firing 7.62x54mmR, right?

I was being more specific to that one cartridge rather than battle rifles in general. (And doesn't it have to be selective fire to be considered a battle rifle?)

.308WIN/7.62NATO isn't THAT much less than x54R, and I shoot it rapid fire every once in a while.

The PSL/Dragunov is x54R, though. The Dragunov is STILL closer to a designated marksman rifle, and the PSL is a somewhat bad clone.

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Actually, your more likely to drop a zombie in a single shot with a hunting rifle than a semi-automatic or fully-automatic weapon. They are louder, and heavier, but they cost less, ammo is VERY common, and they aren't that hard to use. You just need to know how. I would use a Mosin-Nagant instead of an AR-15 because I would rather have one big kicks than multiple small ones.

A rifle that fires 7.62x54 will do more than a rifle that fires 5.56 in general. If you had an assault battle rifle that fired 7.62x54 or 51 NATO, you'd do more than a rifle firing .223 or 5.56 NATO. Ammo, not gun. The gun will change the rate of fire, range, and accuracy, but will hardly ever had a significant effect on the comparable damages of different types of rounds.

Battle rifles fire full-powered rifle ammunition, assault rifles fire intermediate caliber ammunition. (And you can't get either in a month 'cause they're class 3.) Also, I would not want a rifle like that. xd

I mean- people complain about the kick of the Mosin. Just think about how much a selective fire Mosin would hurt if you fired it faster than you could work a bolt.

Try a PSL. The action dampens it a bit.

Well, with the number of nations that used the semi-automatic FN FAL, the battle rifle does not strictly need to be select-fire. Hell, MOST battle rifles were semi-automatic. The Garand, FN FAL, Dragunov (though that's more of a DMR).

I know, but they weren't firing 7.62x54mmR, right?

I was being more specific to that one cartridge rather than battle rifles in general. (And doesn't it have to be selective fire to be considered a battle rifle?)

.308WIN/7.62NATO isn't THAT much less than x54R, and I shoot it rapid fire every once in a while.

The PSL/Dragunov is x54R, though. The Dragunov is STILL closer to a designated marksman rifle, and the PSL is a somewhat bad clone.

I dunno why people call the Dragunov a sniper rifle, really. It's a rifle for designated marksmen- you aren't going to making 1000+ yard shots with them out in the field. (By the way, I found a video of a guy using a mosin to make 1000 yard shots.) What I want to be when I grow up.

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I personally would carry-

A hunting rifle, a skinning knife, an axe, a revolver magnum pistol, and a butterfly knife.

My reasoning- if these zombies are infecting everyone, they are going to be centered around populous areas (cities essentially) however I live by the forests up in Oregon, so as soon as possible I would be heading north towards Canadian wilderness, where I would set up camp. I'm not going to need a heavy duty assault rifle- if there are so many zombies that I couldn't hold them off and run with cover fire from my revolver, I don't think loud shooting from a rifle will do much more then draw them towards me. At all times I will be attempting to avoid detection, and engagement would be a last resort. I would carry a rifle, skinning knife, and axe in order to hunt and collect wood to build shelter/fire. I would carry my revolver for a last resort, and a butterfly knife to pass the time with flipping. If I were ever in a situation where it was necessary, I'm fairly proficient with the balisong and I would be capable of at least disabling a few zombies. My choice of revolver and butterfly knife are more personal choices as their are superior tools available then those; they just happen to be the ones I am used to and know how to handle.

Keep in mind that hunting rifles are usually more heavy, cumbersome, loud, and more difficult to handle than "assault rifles." (Which you can't get in a month, but let's say you were talking about the AR-15.) A Mosin-Nagant (a hunting rifle) can weigh up to about 8-9 pounds, and it fires rounds that are significantly heavier and more powerful than the .223 of an AR-15. Also, the AR-15 without accessories can weigh 6-7 pounds. So, in reality, "heavy-duty assault rifles" really aren't all that heavy at all.

And when it comes to a revolver- why do you worry about sound and then say you'd use a magnum? All the magnum revolvers I hear when I go down to the range are significantly louder than anything smaller than a .30-06, and there ain't a suppressor in the world that can fix that and still leave the gun a practical weapon.

The hunting rifle would be only for hunting. I'm not going to be lugging around with me at all times, and I won't be using it when there are zombies closeby. I'd be hoofing it instead.

Because if it has come to the point where I need to use a gun, I have already failed my attempts to remain covert and the noise won't matter. In that situation, I suppose a rifle would be superior, however I have no access to one/would prefer not to carry one, learn how to use it, or deal with it. I do however have access to a revolver, could easily carry it at all times, and I know how to use it. As I said already, its a personal choice rather then a practical one.

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gotta say, love the halligan, very fun to play with. but for me


I'd have to go with: for a longarm I'd probably use something like the civvie AK-47, or a semi-aut 7.62 rifle. Why? Well you see, a 5.56 round is a high velocity round that has a good deal of over-penetration up close. Where as the 7.62 is a slower, larger round that creates a bigger pressure wave on impact. This pressure wave is what screws with organs and creates huge exit wounds, thus causing either Hypovolemic(lack of blood) shock, or damage to the spine with a well placed shot. Even a poor shot will cause grave tissue damage. The ammo is fairly common in weapon stores, and the reliability of the weapon is high. The kick is fairly substancial, but the beauty of an AK variant is the sights are fool-proof easy.


For shorter ranged conflicts, I gotta go either with the standby shotgun, or a high calibre handgun(.45) like a Sig or a Colt. The shotgun is a good weapon A because this thing is simple to aim. Very little time is needed to get used to the thing, as the spread takes care of that. Now, I only find the kick to be bad with the extra long ones, due to time getting the long barrel on target. A tactical shotgun(Easily found at your local police department or in a patrol car) remedies this. With the handgun, I'm backing up the TC. Big, slow moving round creates a big shockwave, big shockwave causes big damage. And as a plus, instead of going through the target and wasting its energy on say a wall, the slug slows and stops in the body, and will often knock the target down.




Now onto hand tools.

While I love the halligan, its simply impractical as a weapon. Sure, it functions well to smack things in the head, but so does a flat headed axe that weighs less and does twice the work. The pick and spike are useless in a fight, as they will lodge in a target and be hard to remove.

My close range tool of choice has to be both the crash axe, or a machete. The machete is a useful tool, as its light, causes heavy tissue damage and can be used very easily. Got zombie problems? cut out the muscles in the leg, no more trouble. Slice the neck, no blood to the brain. Attack the abs and eviscerate them. Now with the crash axe, this is a short range weapon that is good if you have one to three targets. Its small and maneuverable, but packs a wallop. Its kinda like a mini halligan, with a axe blade, pry fork and spike. but whats nice about it is A it can be used as a tool, and B it can cause enough trauma to break bones. Simple fact is, you know which bones to break, and the thing will fall down go boom. Of course, the crash axe is an emergency weapon for if they get close.


For gear, if its cold out, structure turnouts would be a dream come true, but lets face it, those things are hot and heavy. A good biker jacket will offer decent protection, and besides that, the damn things shouldnt have the drop on you enough so that you need armor.



Now, as for a vehicle. This solves all my problems for the month time frame, provided I can go get it after everyone is dead. A fire engine is a dream to have around. Its big, its powerful, it runs on deisel, and it carries everything I could ever need and then some. Salvage covers for shelters, ladders, and plenty of hand tools. Not to mention theres a station not five minutes from my house. Comments? Critiques? I kinda just pulled this off the top of my head, so it aint gonna be th best. Also, the medical knowledge is thanks to EMT schooling.

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I personally would carry-

A hunting rifle, a skinning knife, an axe, a revolver magnum pistol, and a butterfly knife.

My reasoning- if these zombies are infecting everyone, they are going to be centered around populous areas (cities essentially) however I live by the forests up in Oregon, so as soon as possible I would be heading north towards Canadian wilderness, where I would set up camp. I'm not going to need a heavy duty assault rifle- if there are so many zombies that I couldn't hold them off and run with cover fire from my revolver, I don't think loud shooting from a rifle will do much more then draw them towards me. At all times I will be attempting to avoid detection, and engagement would be a last resort. I would carry a rifle, skinning knife, and axe in order to hunt and collect wood to build shelter/fire. I would carry my revolver for a last resort, and a butterfly knife to pass the time with flipping. If I were ever in a situation where it was necessary, I'm fairly proficient with the balisong and I would be capable of at least disabling a few zombies. My choice of revolver and butterfly knife are more personal choices as their are superior tools available then those; they just happen to be the ones I am used to and know how to handle.

Keep in mind that hunting rifles are usually more heavy, cumbersome, loud, and more difficult to handle than "assault rifles." (Which you can't get in a month, but let's say you were talking about the AR-15.) A Mosin-Nagant (a hunting rifle) can weigh up to about 8-9 pounds, and it fires rounds that are significantly heavier and more powerful than the .223 of an AR-15. Also, the AR-15 without accessories can weigh 6-7 pounds. So, in reality, "heavy-duty assault rifles" really aren't all that heavy at all.

And when it comes to a revolver- why do you worry about sound and then say you'd use a magnum? All the magnum revolvers I hear when I go down to the range are significantly louder than anything smaller than a .30-06, and there ain't a suppressor in the world that can fix that and still leave the gun a practical weapon.

Actually, your more likely to drop a zombie in a single shot with a hunting rifle than a semi-automatic or fully-automatic weapon. They are louder, and heavier, but they cost less, ammo is VERY common, and they aren't that hard to use. You just need to know how. I would use a Mosin-Nagant instead of an AR-15 because I would rather have one big kicks than multiple small ones.

A rifle that fires 7.62x54 will do more than a rifle that fires 5.56 in general. If you had an assault battle rifle that fired 7.62x54 or 51 NATO, you'd do more than a rifle firing .223 or 5.56 NATO. Ammo, not gun. The gun will change the rate of fire, range, and accuracy, but will hardly ever had a significant effect on the comparable damages of different types of rounds.

Battle rifles fire full-powered rifle ammunition, assault rifles fire intermediate caliber ammunition. (And you can't get either in a month 'cause they're class 3.) Also, I would not want a rifle like that. xd

I mean- people complain about the kick of the Mosin. Just think about how much a selective fire Mosin would hurt if you fired it faster than you could work a bolt.

AR-15 fires 5.56 NATO. AK47 fires 7.62x39mm M43. AR-15 has a muzzle velocity of 260 m/s faster at 975 m/s. With similar ammo purposes (neither are armor-piercing or anything special), the 5.56 is going to cause less carnage unless it tumbles or ricochets. 7.62 is by definition wider than 5.56 and at a slower speed is likely to ricochet off of bone after it looses enough velocity. AR-15's rifling is also better than AK-47's I THINK, and that will decrease tumbling of the 5.56 round.

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The halligan seems like a horrible weapon, though it probably functions well as an entry tool. Simply put, on the halligan you have to hit with the very tip of the bar, and if a zombie gets close to you I can hardly see someone managing to kill it. Essentially the middle bar part is useless as a weapon, and you have to fight with the bizarre spike corner setup. Probably safer and more efficient to carry a baseball bat- which is much easier to use, and of course much easier to acquire. If it is rare and expensive as someone said, then I think that acquisition of that tool would be difficult and not worthwhile. The ideal melee zombie fighting weapon is a baseball bat- you can find them at any sports store, lots of people own at least one, acquisition will be easy. It is so much easier to use then for example a katana, and it is much safer because with no edge, all you do is just swing as hard as you can. If this infection is spread through saliva and blood, then it is also safer to use a baseball bat- there will be little to no splatter when you use a blunt weapon like the baseball bat, as opposed to a sword where they will bleed quite a bit. It is just as effective a weapon as any other melee weapon, in essence it is deadly. Contrary to what people think, it does have uses besides zombie defense. Need to smash a window? Need to shatter a door/door frame? Need a temporary cane? Need to play baseball? in essence, it can do it all.

[Alex Allain]

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The halligan seems like a horrible weapon, though it probably functions well as an entry tool. Simply put, on the halligan you have to hit with the very tip of the bar, and if a zombie gets close to you I can hardly see someone managing to kill it. Essentially the middle bar part is useless as a weapon, and you have to fight with the bizarre spike corner setup. Probably safer and more efficient to carry a baseball bat- which is much easier to use, and of course much easier to acquire. If it is rare and expensive as someone said, then I think that acquisition of that tool would be difficult and not worthwhile. The ideal melee zombie fighting weapon is a baseball bat- you can find them at any sports store, lots of people own at least one, acquisition will be easy. It is so much easier to use then for example a katana, and it is much safer because with no edge, all you do is just swing as hard as you can. If this infection is spread through saliva and blood, then it is also safer to use a baseball bat- there will be little to no splatter when you use a blunt weapon like the baseball bat, as opposed to a sword where they will bleed quite a bit. It is just as effective a weapon as any other melee weapon, in essence it is deadly. Contrary to what people think, it does have uses besides zombie defense. Need to smash a window? Need to shatter a door/door frame? Need a temporary cane? Need to play baseball? in essence, it can do it all.

Wooden bats snap, and are harder to find these days. Aluminum bend. They bend FAR faster than people realise. I wish they made fiberglass bats. XD

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The halligan seems like a horrible weapon, though it probably functions well as an entry tool. Simply put, on the halligan you have to hit with the very tip of the bar, and if a zombie gets close to you I can hardly see someone managing to kill it. Essentially the middle bar part is useless as a weapon, and you have to fight with the bizarre spike corner setup. Probably safer and more efficient to carry a baseball bat- which is much easier to use, and of course much easier to acquire. If it is rare and expensive as someone said, then I think that acquisition of that tool would be difficult and not worthwhile. The ideal melee zombie fighting weapon is a baseball bat- you can find them at any sports store, lots of people own at least one, acquisition will be easy. It is so much easier to use then for example a katana, and it is much safer because with no edge, all you do is just swing as hard as you can. If this infection is spread through saliva and blood, then it is also safer to use a baseball bat- there will be little to no splatter when you use a blunt weapon like the baseball bat, as opposed to a sword where they will bleed quite a bit. It is just as effective a weapon as any other melee weapon, in essence it is deadly. Contrary to what people think, it does have uses besides zombie defense. Need to smash a window? Need to shatter a door/door frame? Need a temporary cane? Need to play baseball? in essence, it can do it all.

Wooden bats snap, and are harder to find these days. Aluminum bend. They bend FAR faster than people realise. I wish they made fiberglass bats. XD

http://www.thefind.com/sports/browse-louisville-slugger-fiberglass-baseball-bat

[Alex Allain]

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The halligan seems like a horrible weapon, though it probably functions well as an entry tool. Simply put, on the halligan you have to hit with the very tip of the bar, and if a zombie gets close to you I can hardly see someone managing to kill it. Essentially the middle bar part is useless as a weapon, and you have to fight with the bizarre spike corner setup. Probably safer and more efficient to carry a baseball bat- which is much easier to use, and of course much easier to acquire. If it is rare and expensive as someone said, then I think that acquisition of that tool would be difficult and not worthwhile. The ideal melee zombie fighting weapon is a baseball bat- you can find them at any sports store, lots of people own at least one, acquisition will be easy. It is so much easier to use then for example a katana, and it is much safer because with no edge, all you do is just swing as hard as you can. If this infection is spread through saliva and blood, then it is also safer to use a baseball bat- there will be little to no splatter when you use a blunt weapon like the baseball bat, as opposed to a sword where they will bleed quite a bit. It is just as effective a weapon as any other melee weapon, in essence it is deadly. Contrary to what people think, it does have uses besides zombie defense. Need to smash a window? Need to shatter a door/door frame? Need a temporary cane? Need to play baseball? in essence, it can do it all.

Wooden bats snap, and are harder to find these days. Aluminum bend. They bend FAR faster than people realise. I wish they made fiberglass bats. XD

http://www.thefind.com/sports/browse-louisville-slugger-fiberglass-baseball-bat

And it had to be a slugger. I'm in love. XD

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The halligan seems like a horrible weapon, though it probably functions well as an entry tool. Simply put, on the halligan you have to hit with the very tip of the bar, and if a zombie gets close to you I can hardly see someone managing to kill it. Essentially the middle bar part is useless as a weapon, and you have to fight with the bizarre spike corner setup. Probably safer and more efficient to carry a baseball bat- which is much easier to use, and of course much easier to acquire. If it is rare and expensive as someone said, then I think that acquisition of that tool would be difficult and not worthwhile. The ideal melee zombie fighting weapon is a baseball bat- you can find them at any sports store, lots of people own at least one, acquisition will be easy. It is so much easier to use then for example a katana, and it is much safer because with no edge, all you do is just swing as hard as you can. If this infection is spread through saliva and blood, then it is also safer to use a baseball bat- there will be little to no splatter when you use a blunt weapon like the baseball bat, as opposed to a sword where they will bleed quite a bit. It is just as effective a weapon as any other melee weapon, in essence it is deadly. Contrary to what people think, it does have uses besides zombie defense. Need to smash a window? Need to shatter a door/door frame? Need a temporary cane? Need to play baseball? in essence, it can do it all.

In essence, it's a wooden club. Need to smash a window? Get a rock! Or, ya know, use the halligan. Need to shatter a door or door frame? Use a halligan, you're s**t out of luck with a bat. Need to break a lock? Use a halligan. Need to break into any structure that isn't secure to the point of paranoia? Use a halligan. Need to obliterate a zombie's skull? Use a halligan.

You make the halligan out to be far more complicated than it really is, by the way. Just swing it in the general direction of a zombie's head, and a hard enough swing won't matter WHERE you hit it, or HOW you hit it. It's being hit with a large mass of steel/titanium swung quite fast. The skull would just crush completely, leaving suction out of the equation and giving you absolutely no risk of getting the halligan stuck in anything. It's just slightly more efficient to have the corner hit than the pick or the adze.

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I personally would carry-

A hunting rifle, a skinning knife, an axe, a revolver magnum pistol, and a butterfly knife.

My reasoning- if these zombies are infecting everyone, they are going to be centered around populous areas (cities essentially) however I live by the forests up in Oregon, so as soon as possible I would be heading north towards Canadian wilderness, where I would set up camp. I'm not going to need a heavy duty assault rifle- if there are so many zombies that I couldn't hold them off and run with cover fire from my revolver, I don't think loud shooting from a rifle will do much more then draw them towards me. At all times I will be attempting to avoid detection, and engagement would be a last resort. I would carry a rifle, skinning knife, and axe in order to hunt and collect wood to build shelter/fire. I would carry my revolver for a last resort, and a butterfly knife to pass the time with flipping. If I were ever in a situation where it was necessary, I'm fairly proficient with the balisong and I would be capable of at least disabling a few zombies. My choice of revolver and butterfly knife are more personal choices as their are superior tools available then those; they just happen to be the ones I am used to and know how to handle.

Keep in mind that hunting rifles are usually more heavy, cumbersome, loud, and more difficult to handle than "assault rifles." (Which you can't get in a month, but let's say you were talking about the AR-15.) A Mosin-Nagant (a hunting rifle) can weigh up to about 8-9 pounds, and it fires rounds that are significantly heavier and more powerful than the .223 of an AR-15. Also, the AR-15 without accessories can weigh 6-7 pounds. So, in reality, "heavy-duty assault rifles" really aren't all that heavy at all.

And when it comes to a revolver- why do you worry about sound and then say you'd use a magnum? All the magnum revolvers I hear when I go down to the range are significantly louder than anything smaller than a .30-06, and there ain't a suppressor in the world that can fix that and still leave the gun a practical weapon.

Actually, your more likely to drop a zombie in a single shot with a hunting rifle than a semi-automatic or fully-automatic weapon. They are louder, and heavier, but they cost less, ammo is VERY common, and they aren't that hard to use. You just need to know how. I would use a Mosin-Nagant instead of an AR-15 because I would rather have one big kicks than multiple small ones.

A rifle that fires 7.62x54 will do more than a rifle that fires 5.56 in general. If you had an assault battle rifle that fired 7.62x54 or 51 NATO, you'd do more than a rifle firing .223 or 5.56 NATO. Ammo, not gun. The gun will change the rate of fire, range, and accuracy, but will hardly ever had a significant effect on the comparable damages of different types of rounds.

Battle rifles fire full-powered rifle ammunition, assault rifles fire intermediate caliber ammunition. (And you can't get either in a month 'cause they're class 3.) Also, I would not want a rifle like that. xd

I mean- people complain about the kick of the Mosin. Just think about how much a selective fire Mosin would hurt if you fired it faster than you could work a bolt.

AR-15 fires 5.56 NATO. AK47 fires 7.62x39mm M43. AR-15 has a muzzle velocity of 260 m/s faster at 975 m/s. With similar ammo purposes (neither are armor-piercing or anything special), the 5.56 is going to cause less carnage unless it tumbles or ricochets. 7.62 is by definition wider than 5.56 and at a slower speed is likely to ricochet off of bone after it looses enough velocity. AR-15's rifling is also better than AK-47's I THINK, and that will decrease tumbling of the 5.56 round.

You forget that the AR-15 is much, MUCH more accurate, though. Also, AR ammunition tumbles a LOT. (Well, it depends on what ammo you use.) Either way, I wouldn't trust either of them to quickly take down a zombie with a chest shot- I'd trust that to nothing short of a full-power rifle cartridge. (Such as the .30-06.)

[Alex Allain]

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The halligan seems like a horrible weapon, though it probably functions well as an entry tool. Simply put, on the halligan you have to hit with the very tip of the bar, and if a zombie gets close to you I can hardly see someone managing to kill it. Essentially the middle bar part is useless as a weapon, and you have to fight with the bizarre spike corner setup. Probably safer and more efficient to carry a baseball bat- which is much easier to use, and of course much easier to acquire. If it is rare and expensive as someone said, then I think that acquisition of that tool would be difficult and not worthwhile. The ideal melee zombie fighting weapon is a baseball bat- you can find them at any sports store, lots of people own at least one, acquisition will be easy. It is so much easier to use then for example a katana, and it is much safer because with no edge, all you do is just swing as hard as you can. If this infection is spread through saliva and blood, then it is also safer to use a baseball bat- there will be little to no splatter when you use a blunt weapon like the baseball bat, as opposed to a sword where they will bleed quite a bit. It is just as effective a weapon as any other melee weapon, in essence it is deadly. Contrary to what people think, it does have uses besides zombie defense. Need to smash a window? Need to shatter a door/door frame? Need a temporary cane? Need to play baseball? in essence, it can do it all.

In essence, it's a wooden club. Need to smash a window? Get a rock! Or, ya know, use the halligan. Need to shatter a door or door frame? Use a halligan, you're s**t out of luck with a bat. Need to break a lock? Use a halligan. Need to break into any structure that isn't secure to the point of paranoia? Use a halligan. Need to obliterate a zombie's skull? Use a halligan.

You make the halligan out to be far more complicated than it really is, by the way. Just swing it in the general direction of a zombie's head, and a hard enough swing won't matter WHERE you hit it, or HOW you hit it. It's being hit with a large mass of steel/titanium swung quite fast. The skull would just crush completely, leaving suction out of the equation and giving you absolutely no risk of getting the halligan stuck in anything. It's just slightly more efficient to have the corner hit than the pick or the adze.

Also, to add, the 36" titanium halligan weighs a mere 6 pounds. NOT hard to swing. The Halligan is useful for the fact that you have many tools in one package, and it is a single cast piece of steel/beryllium copper/titanium so it isn't going to fall apart any time soon.

[Alex Allain]

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Actually, your more likely to drop a zombie in a single shot with a hunting rifle than a semi-automatic or fully-automatic weapon. They are louder, and heavier, but they cost less, ammo is VERY common, and they aren't that hard to use. You just need to know how. I would use a Mosin-Nagant instead of an AR-15 because I would rather have one big kicks than multiple small ones.

A rifle that fires 7.62x54 will do more than a rifle that fires 5.56 in general. If you had an assault battle rifle that fired 7.62x54 or 51 NATO, you'd do more than a rifle firing .223 or 5.56 NATO. Ammo, not gun. The gun will change the rate of fire, range, and accuracy, but will hardly ever had a significant effect on the comparable damages of different types of rounds.

Battle rifles fire full-powered rifle ammunition, assault rifles fire intermediate caliber ammunition. (And you can't get either in a month 'cause they're class 3.) Also, I would not want a rifle like that. xd

I mean- people complain about the kick of the Mosin. Just think about how much a selective fire Mosin would hurt if you fired it faster than you could work a bolt.

AR-15 fires 5.56 NATO. AK47 fires 7.62x39mm M43. AR-15 has a muzzle velocity of 260 m/s faster at 975 m/s. With similar ammo purposes (neither are armor-piercing or anything special), the 5.56 is going to cause less carnage unless it tumbles or ricochets. 7.62 is by definition wider than 5.56 and at a slower speed is likely to ricochet off of bone after it looses enough velocity. AR-15's rifling is also better than AK-47's I THINK, and that will decrease tumbling of the 5.56 round.

You forget that the AR-15 is much, MUCH more accurate, though. Also, AR ammunition tumbles a LOT. (Well, it depends on what ammo you use.) Either way, I wouldn't trust either of them to quickly take down a zombie with a chest shot- I'd trust that to nothing short of a full-power rifle cartridge. (Such as the .30-06.)

The 5.56 is more likely to tumble inside a skull, but with a chest shot, the 5.56 is also more likely to just zip right on through the zombie. It does in normal people.

I agree that I'd rather have a weapon firing 5.56 though, because the higher velocity and rifling is also going to add to accuracy, and that means I'm more likely to place shots where I want them, and lets face it, if I'm going to waste ammo at all, I'd like to waste as FEW shots as possible, as there is no guarantee I'll find more any time soon.

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Actually, your more likely to drop a zombie in a single shot with a hunting rifle than a semi-automatic or fully-automatic weapon. They are louder, and heavier, but they cost less, ammo is VERY common, and they aren't that hard to use. You just need to know how. I would use a Mosin-Nagant instead of an AR-15 because I would rather have one big kicks than multiple small ones.

A rifle that fires 7.62x54 will do more than a rifle that fires 5.56 in general. If you had an assault battle rifle that fired 7.62x54 or 51 NATO, you'd do more than a rifle firing .223 or 5.56 NATO. Ammo, not gun. The gun will change the rate of fire, range, and accuracy, but will hardly ever had a significant effect on the comparable damages of different types of rounds.

Battle rifles fire full-powered rifle ammunition, assault rifles fire intermediate caliber ammunition. (And you can't get either in a month 'cause they're class 3.) Also, I would not want a rifle like that. xd

I mean- people complain about the kick of the Mosin. Just think about how much a selective fire Mosin would hurt if you fired it faster than you could work a bolt.

AR-15 fires 5.56 NATO. AK47 fires 7.62x39mm M43. AR-15 has a muzzle velocity of 260 m/s faster at 975 m/s. With similar ammo purposes (neither are armor-piercing or anything special), the 5.56 is going to cause less carnage unless it tumbles or ricochets. 7.62 is by definition wider than 5.56 and at a slower speed is likely to ricochet off of bone after it looses enough velocity. AR-15's rifling is also better than AK-47's I THINK, and that will decrease tumbling of the 5.56 round.

You forget that the AR-15 is much, MUCH more accurate, though. Also, AR ammunition tumbles a LOT. (Well, it depends on what ammo you use.) Either way, I wouldn't trust either of them to quickly take down a zombie with a chest shot- I'd trust that to nothing short of a full-power rifle cartridge. (Such as the .30-06.)

The 5.56 is more likely to tumble inside a skull, but with a chest shot, the 5.56 is also more likely to just zip right on through the zombie. It does in normal people.

I agree that I'd rather have a weapon firing 5.56 though, because the higher velocity and rifling is also going to add to accuracy, and that means I'm more likely to place shots where I want them, and lets face it, if I'm going to waste ammo at all, I'd like to waste as FEW shots as possible, as there is no guarantee I'll find more any time soon.

Way things are looking, though, I'm probably going to end up getting an SKS instead of an AR-15. Not because it's the best zombie weapon, but because I don't have a lot of money and I need a cheap intermediate-powered rifle. The AR-15 is not cheap. xp

[Alex Allain]

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The Kapeleuophage

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Battle rifles fire full-powered rifle ammunition, assault rifles fire intermediate caliber ammunition. (And you can't get either in a month 'cause they're class 3.) Also, I would not want a rifle like that. xd

I mean- people complain about the kick of the Mosin. Just think about how much a selective fire Mosin would hurt if you fired it faster than you could work a bolt.

AR-15 fires 5.56 NATO. AK47 fires 7.62x39mm M43. AR-15 has a muzzle velocity of 260 m/s faster at 975 m/s. With similar ammo purposes (neither are armor-piercing or anything special), the 5.56 is going to cause less carnage unless it tumbles or ricochets. 7.62 is by definition wider than 5.56 and at a slower speed is likely to ricochet off of bone after it looses enough velocity. AR-15's rifling is also better than AK-47's I THINK, and that will decrease tumbling of the 5.56 round.

You forget that the AR-15 is much, MUCH more accurate, though. Also, AR ammunition tumbles a LOT. (Well, it depends on what ammo you use.) Either way, I wouldn't trust either of them to quickly take down a zombie with a chest shot- I'd trust that to nothing short of a full-power rifle cartridge. (Such as the .30-06.)

The 5.56 is more likely to tumble inside a skull, but with a chest shot, the 5.56 is also more likely to just zip right on through the zombie. It does in normal people.

I agree that I'd rather have a weapon firing 5.56 though, because the higher velocity and rifling is also going to add to accuracy, and that means I'm more likely to place shots where I want them, and lets face it, if I'm going to waste ammo at all, I'd like to waste as FEW shots as possible, as there is no guarantee I'll find more any time soon.

Way things are looking, though, I'm probably going to end up getting an SKS instead of an AR-15. Not because it's the best zombie weapon, but because I don't have a lot of money and I need a cheap intermediate-powered rifle. The AR-15 is not cheap. xp

You can get them for less than one grand in some places.