Amy Wallace is my hero (Wired Article on vaccines)

[Autie Lady]

Have you read the article Amy Wallace wrote about the anti-vaccine movement? If not, you should:
http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/10/ff_waronscience

I agree with her 100% and admire her bravery in the face of the responses she has received:
"I’ve been called stupid, greedy, a whore, a prostitute, and a “fking lib.” I’ve been called the author of “heinous tripe.”

J.B. Handley, the founder of Generation Rescue, the anti-vaccine group that actress Jenny McCarthy helps promote, sent an essay title” “Paul Offit Rapes (intellectually) Amy Wallace and Wired Magazine.” In it, he implied that Offit had slipped me a date rape drug. “The roofie cocktails at Paul Offit’s house must be damn good,” he wrote. Later, he sent a revised version that omitted rape and replaced it with the image of me drinking Offit’s Kool-aid. That one was later posted at the anti-vaccine blog Age of Autism."

Oh, and I got an e-mail from Wired last night that they were forwarded the letter I wrote Amy and are publishing it as soon as they verify my info.

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I wouldn't call it bravery, the anti-vaxxers are all bark and no bite, but it is a decent article and needed to be said. Repeatedly. In public.

Those ******** are getting children killed.

[Agent Cougar Draven]

Honestly, some vaccines are unnecessary. However, I doubt that they're harmful.

[pockybot]

You know, I used to think Alex Jones and the "conspiracy" radio shows and blogs were full of s**t on the vaccine issue. I thought...naw...no way these corporations are intentionally trying to harm people.

Then I read how Pfizer killed a number of poor black children in Nigeria

How GlaxoSmithKline used poor black kids in America as their labrats

How Bayer spread AIDS worldwide and helped engineer the holocaust

How Baxter put live bird flu in their "avian vaccine".

Many of these big pharma goons are merely tentacles of the new world order eugenic agenda I hate to say.

The idea that our government and corporations they are involved with "loves us and wants to protect us" is the biggest bunch of bullshit.

Our government murdered countless thousands of innocent Muslims in the last 8 years, on YOUR tax dollar. No way theyd hesitate to wipe out a portion of the population.

And remember folks, Hitler wanted to flouridize the water in Germany to dumb down the public.

And aspartame was not allowed by the FDA til Donald Rumsfeld came into the picture. Think about that one.

[pockybot]

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I wouldn't call it bravery, the anti-vaxxers are all bark and no bite, but it is a decent article and needed to be said. Repeatedly. In public.

Those ******** are getting children killed.

What about the children Bayer, Pfizer, Merck, etc have murdered?

s**t, Bayer murdered six million people back in the late 30's through mid 40's.

[Agent Cougar Draven]

Hi, pockybot. Have you started citing sources yet? No? Okay. Just remember, you have a three-year backlog of claims just from me.

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pockybot

What about the children Bayer, Pfizer, Merck, etc have murdered?

Not everyone buys your conspiracy theorist crap, Pocky. Asking questions that assume the responder does is not a good way to debate.

[pockybot]

Agent Cougar Draven

Hi, pockybot. Have you started citing sources yet? No? Okay. Just remember, you have a three-year backlog of claims just from me.

1. Name one claim I've made that you feel I didn't back up?

2. Regarding Bayer's involvement in the Holocaust and HIV-1 AIDS,
Pfizer killing poor black kids, Baxter contaminating vaccines, etc?

I got plenty. Which sources do you accept?(CNN, BBC, Fox, MSNBC, etc?)

[pockybot]

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pockybot

What about the children Bayer, Pfizer, Merck, etc have murdered?

Not everyone buys your conspiracy theorist crap, Pocky. Asking questions that assume the responder does is not a good way to debate.

"conspiracy theory"....riiiight.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/pfizer-to-pay-16350m-after-deaths-of-nigerian-children-in-drug-trial-experiment-1663402.html

They made a movie about it, ever seen "The Constant Gardener"

I don't make claims I can't back up

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pockybot

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pockybot

What about the children Bayer, Pfizer, Merck, etc have murdered?

Not everyone buys your conspiracy theorist crap, Pocky. Asking questions that assume the responder does is not a good way to debate.

"conspiracy theory"....riiiight.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/pfizer-to-pay-16350m-after-deaths-of-nigerian-children-in-drug-trial-experiment-1663402.html

They made a movie about it, ever seen "The Constant Gardener"

I don't make claims I can't back up

Sorry, but you don't get a free pass that easily.

Pfizer was found guilty of negligence and malpractice, not murder.

What you are trying to claim occured is a giant conspiracy to murder random children around the world. If so, killing 11 out of 200 subjects was pretty ******** pathetic.

No, Pocky, this is simply not good enough to support your claims, or to support the picture you want to conjure of the "big pharma" monster.

[pockybot]

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pockybot

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pockybot

What about the children Bayer, Pfizer, Merck, etc have murdered?

Not everyone buys your conspiracy theorist crap, Pocky. Asking questions that assume the responder does is not a good way to debate.

"conspiracy theory"....riiiight.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/pfizer-to-pay-16350m-after-deaths-of-nigerian-children-in-drug-trial-experiment-1663402.html

They made a movie about it, ever seen "The Constant Gardener"

I don't make claims I can't back up

Sorry, but you don't get a free pass that easily.

Pfizer was found guilty of negligence and malpractice, not murder.

What you are trying to claim occured is a giant conspiracy to murder random children around the world. If so, killing 11 out of 200 subjects was pretty ******** pathetic.

No, Pocky, this is simply not good enough to support your claims, or to support the picture you want to conjure of the "big pharma" monster.

And Pfizer is one of the smaller examples.

Are you aware that Bayer intentionally spread HIV-1(AIDS) tainted pediatric hemophiliac medication worldwide(Factor 8 ) in the 1980's, aiding AIDS far reaching spread globally so quick?

Are you aware that Bayer(one of the main pilars of IG Farben) not only created the Zyklon B gas for the purposes of killing the Jews, but helped run the death camps for the Nazis?

The evidence of all this is so far reaching, it's insane.

The days of the only deaths happening from vaccines being monkeys in science labs is long over.

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pockybot

And Pfizer is one of the smaller examples.

And yet the only one you've chosen to attempt to provide evidence for, so far.

pockybot

Are you aware that Bayer intentionally spread HIV-1(AIDS) tainted pediatric hemophiliac medication worldwide(Factor 8 ) in the 1980's, aiding AIDS far reaching spread globally so quick?

I know that you claim such, never seen any evidence of it.

pockybot

Are you aware that Bayer(one of the main pilars of IG Farben) not only created the Zyklon B gas for the purposes of killing the Jews, but helped run the death camps for the Nazis?

And volkswagon made cars for them. So what? Many companies had tied to the Nazis, that doesn't provide you with a carte blanche to claim that they're still in the business of mass murder or that they're preparing to murder people in the US and the rest of the western world, with the complicity of the governments.

pockybot

The days of the only deaths happening from vaccines being monkeys in science labs is long over.

Far as I know, we've enver been in those days. Vaccines have always killed or caused problems in a small number of those who are given them, as do antibiotics. That doesn't make them a weapon of murder. If they're intended to be such, they're a pretty ******** pathetic weapon, they save more than they kill by a long long way.

[Supa Beanie]

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pockybot

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pockybot

What about the children Bayer, Pfizer, Merck, etc have murdered?

Not everyone buys your conspiracy theorist crap, Pocky. Asking questions that assume the responder does is not a good way to debate.

"conspiracy theory"....riiiight.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/pfizer-to-pay-16350m-after-deaths-of-nigerian-children-in-drug-trial-experiment-1663402.html

They made a movie about it, ever seen "The Constant Gardener"

I don't make claims I can't back up

Sorry, but you don't get a free pass that easily.

Pfizer was found guilty of negligence and malpractice, not murder.

What you are trying to claim occured is a giant conspiracy to murder random children around the world. If so, killing 11 out of 200 subjects was pretty ******** pathetic.

No, Pocky, this is simply not good enough to support your claims, or to support the picture you want to conjure of the "big pharma" monster.

Of course they weren't found guilty of murder it was just a few poor children. Do you honestly naivly believe that anyone in the 'civilized' world is going to prosecute a big pharmesutical company for killing a few poor black kids? It happens constantly, and it's not like you can cite internet sites as proof because as soon as a story crops up about it, it's squished almost as quickly as it appeared. I know this for a fact because I've researched it for a couple of years now, and the stories are always written off as unauthorized rumors. Which is really fishy considering that hundreds of thousands of of these stories exist, a woman in Africa will sell her baby to a company to be tested on just to pay her rent. I know this because I know several people who live in south africa who see it happen on a daily basis. Where is the proof on the internet, or in the news? It's nowhere, because if it becomes public knowledge they would be held accountable and have to stop their murder and horrible testing.

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Supa Beanie

Of course they weren't found guilty of murder it was just a few poor children. Do you honestly naivly believe that anyone in the 'civilized' world is going to prosecute a big pharmesutical company for killing a few poor black kids? It happens constantly, and it's not like you can cite internet sites as proof because as soon as a story crops up about it, it's squished almost as quickly as it appeared.

They were prosecuted for the deaths of some of the children involved, so that about demolishes that claim.
The problem is that you are seeing the words "11 subjects died" and translating that as "11 subjects were murdered", and your basis for this is as flimsy as your innate prejudice against the companies involved.

Supa Beanie

I know this for a fact because I've researched it for a couple of years now, and the stories are always written off as unauthorized rumors. Which is really fishy considering that hundreds of thousands of of these stories exist, a woman in Africa will sell her baby to a company to be tested on just to pay her rent. I know this because I know several people who live in south africa who see it happen on a daily basis. Where is the proof on the internet, or in the news? It's nowhere, because if it becomes public knowledge they would be held accountable and have to stop their murder and horrible testing.

People in the west are paid for participating in medical trails as well. What the hell is so damn wrong with that, exactly? And how does paying someone to paricipate in a trial amount to murder if they die? Murder is the premeditated and malicious killing of an individual. Someone on a drug trial having an adverse reaction and dying is an accident.

You can't just equate the two.

[Anakha the Silver]

You know, you two who claim" OMG, BIG PHARMA IS OUT TO KILL US!!!!!1!1!!!11!!!!!!!1111!"

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I'm betting you believe I was poisoned when I found out I was allergic to azithromycin.