Amy Wallace is my hero (Wired Article on vaccines)

[Captain Verd]

pockybot

How Bayer spread AIDS worldwide and helped engineer the holocaust

How Baxter put live bird flu in their "avian vaccine".

1. HAHAHAHAHAHA

2. Vaccines have trace amounts of the virus they fight in them.

[pockybot]

Supa Beanie

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pockybot

What about the children Bayer, Pfizer, Merck, etc have murdered?

Not everyone buys your conspiracy theorist crap, Pocky. Asking questions that assume the responder does is not a good way to debate.

"conspiracy theory"....riiiight.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/pfizer-to-pay-16350m-after-deaths-of-nigerian-children-in-drug-trial-experiment-1663402.html

They made a movie about it, ever seen "The Constant Gardener"

I don't make claims I can't back up

Sorry, but you don't get a free pass that easily.

Pfizer was found guilty of negligence and malpractice, not murder.

What you are trying to claim occured is a giant conspiracy to murder random children around the world. If so, killing 11 out of 200 subjects was pretty ******** pathetic.

No, Pocky, this is simply not good enough to support your claims, or to support the picture you want to conjure of the "big pharma" monster.

Of course they weren't found guilty of murder it was just a few poor children. Do you honestly naivly believe that anyone in the 'civilized' world is going to prosecute a big pharmesutical company for killing a few poor black kids? It happens constantly, and it's not like you can cite internet sites as proof because as soon as a story crops up about it, it's squished almost as quickly as it appeared. I know this for a fact because I've researched it for a couple of years now, and the stories are always written off as unauthorized rumors. Which is really fishy considering that hundreds of thousands of of these stories exist, a woman in Africa will sell her baby to a company to be tested on just to pay her rent. I know this because I know several people who live in south africa who see it happen on a daily basis. Where is the proof on the internet, or in the news? It's nowhere, because if it becomes public knowledge they would be held accountable and have to stop their murder and horrible testing.

Oh absolutely. I've seen so many articles on big pharma killing black kids, even here in America.

and here is MSNBC's piece exposing Bayer's involvement in spreading AIDS

Now ya mention South Africa, their government actually was releasing bioweapons into the black population and wanted to use eugenics and germ warfare to bring down the black population under Apartheid.

The US and UK secretly released nerve gas/radiation/plutonium etc on the public during the 20th century during a series of tests

People would be HORRIFIED to here whats been uncovered

[pockybot]

Anakha the Silver

You know, you two who claim" OMG, BIG PHARMA IS OUT TO KILL US!!!!!1!1!!!11!!!!!!!1111!"

...

I'm betting you believe I was poisoned when I found out I was allergic to azithromycin.

Do some research on how top eugenicists ensured several states in America forced sterilization and eugenics on the black population during the breadth of the 20th century, and how Canada did the same thing to its indiginous population...as well as Germany with the Jews...and you can see how it's not so far fetched(not saying this is the case with you)

However, we know Bayer helped engineer the Holocaust and intentionally spread HIV-1 AIDS worldwide

[pockybot]

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Well, I'm from Northern Ireland, I know full well life isn't "hunky dory", that bad s**t happens sometimes. I also know it doesn't always indicate a shadowy conspiracy when it does go wrong.

Give me a plausible motivation for the acts you're claiming occur, if you're not going to bother providing evidence.

Well then, did you know British MI5 heavily infiltrated the IRA and actually staged/provocatuered a number of bombings blamed on the IRA?

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/mar2008/irel-m13.shtml
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stakeknife

Oh and Gardisil? You aware Merck secretly paid off Texas Governor Rick Perry to ensure a law was passed forcing all little girls to be forced to take their vaccine?

At least 50 deaths, and many serious illnesses have been reported because of it.

[Orphan_Shadow]

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I wouldn't call it bravery, the anti-vaxxers are all bark and no bite, but it is a decent article and needed to be said. Repeatedly. In public.

Those ******** are getting children killed.

Some people just aren't into playing limbo and seeing how low they have to go. neutral

[pockybot]

Eirikir

As someone actually in the medical field I can tell you that the anti-vax morons are beyond help. The research and numbers they throw around are inconclusive or just plain bad research. People who promote this dark-age hysteric approach are either misinformed laypeople or worse medical professionals looking for 15 minutes of fave or $$$.

If you don't believe me fine, but for a moment look ate the state of health now, and compare it to the state of heal before the advent of the vaccine.

So all the libel, litigation and real lawsuits and evidence of criminal coverups by big pharma...that's all salacious half baked conspiracy mongering?

Google "Bayer HIV" and tell me it's all a hoax.

[Captain Verd]

pockybot

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Well, I'm from Northern Ireland, I know full well life isn't "hunky dory", that bad s**t happens sometimes. I also know it doesn't always indicate a shadowy conspiracy when it does go wrong.

Give me a plausible motivation for the acts you're claiming occur, if you're not going to bother providing evidence.

Well then, did you know British MI5 heavily infiltrated the IRA and actually staged/provocatuered a number of bombings blamed on the IRA?

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/mar2008/irel-m13.shtml
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stakeknife

Oh and Gardisil? You aware Merck secretly paid off Texas Governor Rick Perry to ensure a law was passed forcing all little girls to be forced to take their vaccine?

At least 50 deaths, and many serious illnesses have been reported because of it.

You still didn't provide sources for anything but the one mick.

[pockybot]

A Lost Iguana

Eirikir

As someone actually in the medical field I can tell you that the anti-vax morons are beyond help. The research and numbers they throw around are inconclusive or just plain bad research. People who promote this dark-age hysteric approach are either misinformed laypeople or worse medical professionals looking for 15 minutes of fave or $$$.

If you don't believe me fine, but for a moment look ate the state of health now, and compare it to the state of heal before the advent of the vaccine.

rolleyes

As an actual mother I know that vaccines are harming children. Vaccines, anti-biotics and all this evil nonsense. We coped well enough before your meddling kind, we will cope just without you. A good diet of juices and coffee enemas is all you need, people! 3nodding

Arrogant scientists.

I'm sure the state funded "doctors" forcing eugenic sterilization programs on poor black people in America during the last century thought they were "doing it for the common good of the people"

Fact is, it's not just big pharma but all these corporations. Look at the massive spike of childhood onset of diabetes; or the earlier and earlier puberty for girls

Its all this GMO, chemical, aspartame Monsantos crap they put in all our meats, cola, produce, etc
All to dumb down the masses

[Stuch BSc]

I like not having measles, mumps or rubella.

[Captain Verd]

pockybot

Eirikir

As someone actually in the medical field I can tell you that the anti-vax morons are beyond help. The research and numbers they throw around are inconclusive or just plain bad research. People who promote this dark-age hysteric approach are either misinformed laypeople or worse medical professionals looking for 15 minutes of fave or $$$.

If you don't believe me fine, but for a moment look ate the state of health now, and compare it to the state of heal before the advent of the vaccine.

So all the libel, litigation and real lawsuits and evidence of criminal coverups by big pharma...that's all salacious half baked conspiracy mongering?

Google "Bayer HIV" and tell me it's all a hoax.

I did. Looks like it was never proven to be their fault, and they claim they didn't know. This was decades before there was a lot known about HIV anyway.

Come up with something solid and recent.

[Autie Lady]

D'oh, I forgot to put a copy of my letter in the thread. Here is the letter from me that Amy Wallace forwarded to Wired:
Thank you for your article. I am autistic and I am sick of the anti-vaccine movement. They waste time and money that could go towards *helping* autistics. I'd love to see Jenny McCarthy be as passionate about job training, respite care, social skill classes, and providing communication devices to poor families as she is about spouting out anti-vaccine lies. It would be nice to see Generation Rescue replace their absurd (and dangerous) practice of promoting chelation with the practice of promoting proven safe treatments. I commend you for being brave too, because the anti-vaccine fanatics can be vicious. How do I know? Well, I've gotten sent messages ranging from "You hate my child and want him to suffer!" to "F*cking b*tch I'd kick your a** if I saw you at a rally protesting." Note these are people proclaiming to help autistics talking to an autistic. I don't protest because I literally fear getting hurt. I just spread the truth online and work for small victories. But, thank you. Hopefully your article has gotten more people to understand how destructive the anti-vaccine movement is.

[Project 429]

I come into the thread and smile. Everything looks nice. Thought-provoking, well written article. I scroll down, and suddenly, pockybot. You sure have a knack for turning enlightenment and rationality into fearmongering, pocky. Every thread you touch dies. In every discussion that doesn't involve psychotics with a bad victim complexes you always bring up the same fruitless arguments, outdated quotes and out of context news articles and then you frame them in paranoia, which always smothers any intellectualism that was present in the thread beforehand.


THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS!!!

[Autie Lady]

Project 429

I come into the thread and smile. Everything looks nice. Thought-provoking, well written article. I scroll down, and suddenly, pockybot. You sure have a knack for turning enlightenment and rationality into fearmongering, pocky. Every thread you touch dies. In every discussion that doesn't involve psychotics with a bad victim complexes you always bring up the same fruitless arguments, outdated quotes and out of context news articles and then you frame them in paranoia, which always smothers any intellectualism that was present in the thread beforehand.


THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS!!!

LOL, then wouldn't it make sense for you to contribute rather than point out pockybot is crazy? (although I agree with you)

[Project 429]

Autie Lady

Project 429

I come into the thread and smile. Everything looks nice. Thought-provoking, well written article. I scroll down, and suddenly, pockybot. You sure have a knack for turning enlightenment and rationality into fearmongering, pocky. Every thread you touch dies. In every discussion that doesn't involve psychotics with a bad victim complexes you always bring up the same fruitless arguments, outdated quotes and out of context news articles and then you frame them in paranoia, which always smothers any intellectualism that was present in the thread beforehand.


THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS!!!

LOL, then wouldn't it make sense for you to contribute rather than point out pockybot is crazy? (although I agree with you)

I don't really consider 'I agree!' to be contributing much, which pretty much sums up my thoughts on the article... Otherwise I would post. The only reason I commented at all was because I needed to get that off my chest. Are you saying that pointing out pockypot is crazy isn't contributing though?