American School System

[Prince Rilian]

Prisonic x Fairytale

[]It does to me, maybe because i was raised that way.

Were you raised by adults? They might have been biased in what they were teaching you.

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But i will show adults respect until they start showing me a reason not to.

I show respect to everyone until they disrespect me.

Schools are set up to disrespect the children who are forced to attend them. The so-called "teachers" are willing participants in the subjegation of those children. The "teachers" do not respect the children. That's a reason not to respect them.

[redroosters]

Nines19

redroosters

Devices which play MP3 files: Well, what else do you expect me to do?

Pay attention in class. wink

And when I'm done doing that?

[redroosters]

Prince Rilian

Schools are set up to disrespect the children who are forced to attend them. The so-called "teachers" are willing participants in the subjegation of those children. The "teachers" do not respect the children. That's a reason not to respect them.

Most of my teachers show a level of respect to me that I'm prepared to return. Not sure about you, though.

[Russian Hooker]

Prince Rilian

Prisonic x Fairytale

[]It does to me, maybe because i was raised that way.

Were you raised by adults? They might have been biased in what they were teaching you.

Quote:

But i will show adults respect until they start showing me a reason not to.

I show respect to everyone until they disrespect me.

Schools are set up to disrespect the children who are forced to attend them. The so-called "teachers" are willing participants in the subjegation of those children. The "teachers" do not respect the children. That's a reason not to respect them.

If you dont want to be at school then get the ******** out.

Schools are not set up to disrespect children? They should be lucky enough to get a free education. Teachers do respect children i dont know were you grew up at. I understand all teachers arnt nice.

[Nines19]

redroosters

Nines19

redroosters

Devices which play MP3 files: Well, what else do you expect me to do?

Pay attention in class. wink

And when I'm done doing that?

Then the bell rings and you are free to go.

(I may possibly see what you're getting at, though. Please explain the circumstance further.)

[redroosters]

Nines19

redroosters

Nines19

redroosters

Devices which play MP3 files: Well, what else do you expect me to do?

Pay attention in class. wink

And when I'm done doing that?

Then the bell rings and you are free to go.

(I may possibly see what you're getting at, though. Please explain the circumstance further.)

My teachers are, for the most part, a strange combination of lazy and efficient. They impart the day's knowledge effectively and quickly; however, thirty out of fourty-five minutes are usually left over. I get bored.

[Nines19]

redroosters

Nines19

redroosters

Nines19

redroosters

Devices which play MP3 files: Well, what else do you expect me to do?

Pay attention in class. wink

And when I'm done doing that?

Then the bell rings and you are free to go.

(I may possibly see what you're getting at, though. Please explain the circumstance further.)

My teachers are, for the most part, a strange combination of lazy and efficient. They impart the day's knowledge effectively and quickly; however, thirty out of fourty-five minutes are usually left over. I get bored.

I thought so.

Usually when that happens to me I obtain permission and go to the library. Being the nerds we are, my friends and I are friends with the librarian, and we're not loud kids, so she lets us do whatever the hell we want - including whip out cell phones, iPods, and the like.

Likewise, my computer teacher lets us listen to music throughout the entire class, unless he's explaining something. He has a no cell policy, though. (Which is only slightly a pun.)

Most of my classes I actually have classes in tend to take up the entire 44 minute period, though. Might be a combination of the material and the unteachable students I unfortunately attend school with.

I don't think a student should get punished for simply having a device on them if they're not using it at an inopportune time (such as when a teacher is up there teaching), but most of the kids at my school would constantly disregard the teachers in favor of their devices.

[Prince Rilian]

Prisonic x Fairytale

If you dont want to be at school then get the ******** out.

I don't have that option. I am a minor and my parents are forcing me to go.

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Schools are not set up to disrespect children? They should be lucky enough to get a free education.

It doesn't matter if it's free. It's forced on them.

[FormalyKnownAsClaire]

I must agree school systems (in America at least, as far as I can say) are slipping quite a bit. I was discussing with a friend of mine how our school was essentially setting us up for failure. Our AP classes only go to a junior college which will not transfer credits to any other school. And then when we need to cut funding to give to math and english because our test scores are that low, where do we take it from? The foreign language classes, those things I keep getting told look great for college and your future. So essentially, they are taking money from the kids who are trying to succeed and using it to try and help kids who just "don't give a damn".
/rant

[Yami no Hitokiri]

Perhaps schools would be better if they concentrated on what students learn, instead of what they wear. When I read websites about teachers taking time out of lessons to enforce pointless dress codes (telling students to remove their hats, measuring the length of their shorts, belt line, etc. or checking for "gang related colors" wink , it just makes my blood boil. Maybe if the schools put half as much effort into actually teaching as they do into enforcing their arbitrary dress coes, school would be better.

[Vixianna]

Lady Boleyn

The school system in Ontario is slightly different but I still feel that some points can be made considering the fact that there are some similarities.
The school system in Ontario makes it a requirement to teach english every year in high school. Ontario has a 4 year high school system. Math for 3, science for 2 and History for 1.
Then when you go into College they require the first semester to have a mandatory communications (english) course. Some courses, like the one I'm taking require a communications course in 2 semesters out of 4.

The school system has failed me in that I don't think it's necessary to be taught basic english again in the post secondary system if we were required to learn it every year in high school. Also, the guidance counsellors were just as insane as the ones you speak of and the schools were very slack on how they dealt with bullies. Also, their bullshit school rules (in high school) that state you can only go to the bathroom after the first 20 minutes and before the last 20 minutes in class. You gotta go, you gotta go, you know?

It benefited me because I had a lot of choice in high school courses after the 9th grade (high school is grades 9 to 12 here) and also because I received an education.

It appears that americans require a really high percentage to get a passing grade, like over 75% or something like it, whereas in Canada you only need 50% to pass a course except for some exceptions in college.

I think the Boortz system would be effective, however I don't see why schools should need to be competitive.

Ah well, a D in America is 60%, and that's considered "passing", but if you actually want to go to college you need A's and B's, also you need a 2.0 average overall to graduate, so you can't make all D's(1.0), on a 4.0 scale. So you actually need at least a 70% average overall. For A's and B's, in Florida, it's 89.5% and 79.5% to get a A and B respectively. However, many college classes, and in fact, many high schools have pluses and minuses that detract from your GPA, so in order to get a A(not A-) you would need ~94-95% depending on that school's system. As a A- has 3.75 GPA points, if you want higher GPA's you need to get A's. So yeah we do require you to actually get a higher percentage to "pass", however, that doesn't mean our students know more...

[Ziporae]

Personally, my school experiance (which I am not completely through with) could have been constructed better. I try not to complain too much because obviously there are places in the world with education worse than mine. As far as a well-rounded education goes the school system tends to teach you what they find to be most important or information more probable to help you get a job in which pays a general high income rate. I'm sure it differs slightly depending on which area you live in of course.

Anyhow, money is money.. A school is full of people who work for money. People are more likely to send their children to a reputable school which has fairly good test scores. By teaching children Enlgish, Science, History, and Math (4x4) many teachers or political figures feel that they are giving kids a decent exposure to reasonable or high-standard career choices. The reason I bring in the political figures is because in a middle-class or high-class area they want to promote jobs that will give people good income because that directly reflects their community. Even though it's sad that people associate worth with money, it's the undeniable truth.

I happen to disagree with this notion entirely. There are many jobs that do not have a basis around English, Science, History, or Math. I am not saying that these four subjects won't impact them at all while on-the-job, but the emphasis is most definately not on them. For example, I have known from a very young age that I wanted to have an occupation related to art, but because my school has so many required English, Science, History, and Math credits I do not have enough space in my schedule to take any (or enough) art credits (which would be considered an elective). It is common knowledge that being an artist is not a stable or well-paying job in most cases.

I believe the 4x4 system was designed very narrow-mindedly. I also think it was designed for teens who don't know what the heck they want to do with their lives except "make a lot of money". I don't think that this is helping America's work ethic either. Kids born in wealthy families think that with schooling and money for a decent college they can just get jobs handed to them while kids born in families that struggle with money a) work hard and then discover that they cannot get into a college that they deserve to attend because of money OR b) don't put forth much effort because they know that no matter how smart or talented they are they will never be able to afford going to college. There is little to no competition... People born in low-income families generally stay poor while people born in high-income families stay rich. There are exceptions to this sickening pattern, but not enough to be convincing.

Looking at the four years of high school there is too much review from year to year. I understand that a refresher is helpful now and then, but it gets ridiculous. The fact that because I got a 59% in a German II class and had to retake it (dropping my GPA tremendously) is also stupid. The difficulty of the same class with a different teacher varies dramatically so how accurately can you judge the proficiency of a student by their grade, really? There is a lot of build-up and no delivery in school systems. They make all these rules, you ask "why?", they say "because it will prepare you for college", when in reality- it doesn't.

I think a more effective system would be taking a required 2-3 years of the basic 4x4 subjects and then offering the option of expanding if wanted. This way it is flexible and it still gives you preparation. I go to two schools now because of the way it is now. Not that I don't enjoy going to a career center for digital design or anything, but if given the choice I would have liked to keep it simple and taken more high school art classes as well. Plus, I wouldn't have to take summer school or online classes because my school requires us to take so many gym classes and other pointless classes that a kid in our decade does not need. Why do they do this? To keep us fit (supposedly) even though making kids sit in a classroom for around 8 hours a day is so healthy for you. neutral