Aliens -- Real or Fake?

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It was a normal year in the small town of ********...

*cue the children playing outside happily*

Until they showed up.

*guy points at alien ship* "What the hell is that!?"

*fast dramatic music that sets an urgent tone* This August, the people of ******** will have have to work together--

*cut to scene of movie with the townspeople hiding out in their makeshift shelter in combat outfits*

defeat the enemy--

*flash to a dead silent and still battlefield with aliens and humans lined up on opposite sides in a wall staring each other down*

or die trying.

*leaders let out a battle cry and they charge at each other before it cuts to black and things go silent*

Like it or not...

THEY. *drum beat*

ARE. *drum beat*

HERE.

*explosion*

Guys chimes in.

"Uh, why are we using guns, shouldn't we be using nukes? On second thought thought why haven't they nuked it?"


"STOP IT JOHNNY! YOUR LOGIC IS GOING TO DESTROY US ALL!"

Random person adds to the conversation:

"Why don't we just call the government? And if that fails...call Russia's government!"

Everyone stares at the person awkwardly, even the aliens.

(In Soviet Russia, aliens get invaded by you! emotion_awesome )

I invaded Russia's Government once.

Le gasp! Were there Soviet bears and Stalin Lenin likenesses everywhere? biggrin

Well... yeah. O_o

But that practically defines the place. That's like asking is their Vodka- Vodka gets more sales annually than water. O_o

I mean there are more bears in Russia than people.

[Tapil]

Aliens - like a**l probing, drunk farmer/hillbilly abuducting demons? No.

Aliens - Like small microbes, or tiny parasites? yes

[Suicidesoldier#1]

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Aliens - like a**l probing, drunk farmer/hillbilly abuducting demons? No.

Aliens - Like small microbes, or tiny parasites? yes

Whow whow whow- Aliens totally like drunk farmer hillbillies, they are prime targets.

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Aliens - like a**l probing, drunk farmer/hillbilly abuducting demons? No.

Aliens - Like small microbes, or tiny parasites? yes

Whow whow whow- Aliens totally like drunk farmer hillbillies, they are prime targets.

Well - there are lots of strange... err "light shows" from cosmic gas and solar flares and wotnot. So lets think about it for a second

Here in the city or even residential areas where there is alot of "Light pollution" We cant see these "shows"

So take someone who's drunk, and busy shoo'ing the possums out of the corn and out of his good trashcan. How do you think he will feel when he sees 'said light show?

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Aliens - like a**l probing, drunk farmer/hillbilly abuducting demons? No.

Aliens - Like small microbes, or tiny parasites? yes

Whow whow whow- Aliens totally like drunk farmer hillbillies, they are prime targets.

Well - there are lots of strange... err "light shows" from cosmic gas and solar flares and wotnot. So lets think about it for a second

Here in the city or even residential areas where there is alot of "Light pollution" We cant see these "shows"

So take someone who's drunk, and busy shoo'ing the possums out of the corn and out of his good trashcan. How do you think he will feel when he sees 'said light show?

Um...

Hilbillies only have two feelings.


Happy, and angry.

Anything else is just plain weird.

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If we think we're the only life in the universe, then we're damn stupid.

So yes, I believe that there is inevitably life somewhere out there. It's only a matter of time before we find it...or it finds us, of course.

Fallacious reasoning.

Oh, it's you again.

And really, so you have the audacity to assume we're the only sentient creatures, eh? I'd love to hear you scientifically back that up.

It's hard to prove that there aren't any things. Why don't you prove that there are things, hmm? And conjecture doesn't prove anything.

We can't prove one way or the other yet, but the chances of us being an isolated incident, taking into consideration the size of our universe, are so minute that they hardly exist.

If you cannot prove anything, the default assumption is not that it exists.

I don't assume. I formulate a hypothesis based on statistics, probabilities, and what is already known. My theory is that we would be sorely mistaken to say 'we're all such special snowflakes that we're the only intelligent beings to ever grace the universe with our presence since time began'.

Remember, 'when you assume, you make an a** out of you and me'. It may be a pun, but that does hold some truth.

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It was a normal year in the small town of ********...

*cue the children playing outside happily*

Until they showed up.

*guy points at alien ship* "What the hell is that!?"

*fast dramatic music that sets an urgent tone* This August, the people of ******** will have have to work together--

*cut to scene of movie with the townspeople hiding out in their makeshift shelter in combat outfits*

defeat the enemy--

*flash to a dead silent and still battlefield with aliens and humans lined up on opposite sides in a wall staring each other down*

or die trying.

*leaders let out a battle cry and they charge at each other before it cuts to black and things go silent*

Like it or not...

THEY. *drum beat*

ARE. *drum beat*

HERE.

*explosion*

Guys chimes in.

"Uh, why are we using guns, shouldn't we be using nukes? On second thought thought why haven't they nuked it?"


"STOP IT JOHNNY! YOUR LOGIC IS GOING TO DESTROY US ALL!"

Random person adds to the conversation:

"Why don't we just call the government? And if that fails...call Russia's government!"

Everyone stares at the person awkwardly, even the aliens.

(In Soviet Russia, aliens get invaded by you! emotion_awesome )

I invaded Russia's Government once.

Le gasp! Were there Soviet bears and Stalin Lenin likenesses everywhere? biggrin

Well... yeah. O_o

But that practically defines the place. That's like asking is their Vodka- Vodka gets more sales annually than water. O_o

I mean there are more bears in Russia than people.

Oh yeah, I think I heard something about the vodka versus water sales before, haha.

...Did they have some good 'in Captalist America' jokes? ninja

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Random person adds to the conversation:

"Why don't we just call the government? And if that fails...call Russia's government!"

Everyone stares at the person awkwardly, even the aliens.

(In Soviet Russia, aliens get invaded by you! emotion_awesome )

I invaded Russia's Government once.

Le gasp! Were there Soviet bears and Stalin Lenin likenesses everywhere? biggrin

Well... yeah. O_o

But that practically defines the place. That's like asking is their Vodka- Vodka gets more sales annually than water. O_o

I mean there are more bears in Russia than people.

Oh yeah, I think I heard something about the vodka versus water sales before, haha.

...Did they have some good 'in Captalist America' jokes? ninja

Nah.

The comedian responsible for those jokes never did those I don't think, or at least never was popular with them. xp

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If we think we're the only life in the universe, then we're damn stupid.

So yes, I believe that there is inevitably life somewhere out there. It's only a matter of time before we find it...or it finds us, of course.

Fallacious reasoning.

Oh, it's you again.

And really, so you have the audacity to assume we're the only sentient creatures, eh? I'd love to hear you scientifically back that up.

I can buy that maybe somewhere there might be sentient life, but sentient and intelligent like us? No, and I explained why.

The other poster seems to just be criticizing your reasoning. If he is, then he doesnt need to articulate a position about his own views. He just needs to explain what makes your reasoning fallacious.

I'm not going to read the entire argument, but if you believe in a god or gods, then your theory is disproved. Gods count as a separate species after all, do they not?

Anyways, I just think that we aren't the only intelligent life. There's an entire galaxy with so many possibilities in it alone, and outside of that, an entire universe in which galaxies are as numerous and tiny as the stars in the night sky. Something somewhere is just as smart as us, it's nearly a given.

You're also assuming that all intelligent life has to be composed exactly like us. Evolution and adaptation is a wonderful thing, and it can create some creatures that are even today beyond comprehension. Creatures that shouldn't be able to exist, but are.

What does a faith have to do with anything? Or are you just grasping at straws?

As I posted already, if there are intelligent life in other galaxies, then I doubt they would or could come here because our laws of gravity, atomic weights, magnetic pull strength, etc. are all likely unique to each galaxy. This makes inter-galactic travel near impossible in my opinion.

If you read my post, I discussed silicon life. Again, maybe it exists somewhere but its likely never been to our galaxy and likely never could.

Well if you believe in some form of external god, then it could count as an alien, as it is intelligent life, not human, and most likely doesn't inhabit earth. Same goes for creatures like angels.

And yes, I think that inter-galactic travel poses an issue to discovering others like ourselves...but I think that some species out there can solve it, perhaps one has already and they're just so far away that they haven't even come close to finding us yet. After all, we're a needle in a haystack.

As, for silicone life, I'll have to look back at that.

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Random person adds to the conversation:

"Why don't we just call the government? And if that fails...call Russia's government!"

Everyone stares at the person awkwardly, even the aliens.

(In Soviet Russia, aliens get invaded by you! emotion_awesome )

I invaded Russia's Government once.

Le gasp! Were there Soviet bears and Stalin Lenin likenesses everywhere? biggrin

Well... yeah. O_o

But that practically defines the place. That's like asking is their Vodka- Vodka gets more sales annually than water. O_o

I mean there are more bears in Russia than people.

Oh yeah, I think I heard something about the vodka versus water sales before, haha.

...Did they have some good 'in Captalist America' jokes? ninja

Nah.

The comedian responsible for those jokes never did those I don't think, or at least never was popular with them. xp

Aw, darn. I was hoping for some hilarious stuff to use whenever a debate about Amercan politics happens. XD

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Le gasp! Were there Soviet bears and Stalin Lenin likenesses everywhere? biggrin

Well... yeah. O_o

But that practically defines the place. That's like asking is their Vodka- Vodka gets more sales annually than water. O_o

I mean there are more bears in Russia than people.

Oh yeah, I think I heard something about the vodka versus water sales before, haha.

...Did they have some good 'in Captalist America' jokes? ninja

Nah.

The comedian responsible for those jokes never did those I don't think, or at least never was popular with them. xp

Aw, darn. I was hoping for some hilarious stuff to use whenever a debate about Amercan politics happens. XD

In Capitalist America...

You drive car...? O_o

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Oh, it's you again.

And really, so you have the audacity to assume we're the only sentient creatures, eh? I'd love to hear you scientifically back that up.

I can buy that maybe somewhere there might be sentient life, but sentient and intelligent like us? No, and I explained why.

The other poster seems to just be criticizing your reasoning. If he is, then he doesnt need to articulate a position about his own views. He just needs to explain what makes your reasoning fallacious.

I'm not going to read the entire argument, but if you believe in a god or gods, then your theory is disproved. Gods count as a separate species after all, do they not?

Anyways, I just think that we aren't the only intelligent life. There's an entire galaxy with so many possibilities in it alone, and outside of that, an entire universe in which galaxies are as numerous and tiny as the stars in the night sky. Something somewhere is just as smart as us, it's nearly a given.

You're also assuming that all intelligent life has to be composed exactly like us. Evolution and adaptation is a wonderful thing, and it can create some creatures that are even today beyond comprehension. Creatures that shouldn't be able to exist, but are.

What does a faith have to do with anything? Or are you just grasping at straws?

As I posted already, if there are intelligent life in other galaxies, then I doubt they would or could come here because our laws of gravity, atomic weights, magnetic pull strength, etc. are all likely unique to each galaxy. This makes inter-galactic travel near impossible in my opinion.

If you read my post, I discussed silicon life. Again, maybe it exists somewhere but its likely never been to our galaxy and likely never could.

Well if you believe in some form of external god, then it could count as an alien, as it is intelligent life, not human, and most likely doesn't inhabit earth. Same goes for creatures like angels.

And yes, I think that inter-galactic travel poses an issue to discovering others like ourselves...but I think that some species out there can solve it, perhaps one has already and they're just so far away that they haven't even come close to finding us yet. After all, we're a needle in a haystack.

As, for silicone life, I'll have to look back at that.

No, it couldnt. Gods and deities are religious figures, not aliens. To class them as aliens is like calling a wash basin a boat for no other reason than it floats.

I fail to see how you can solve for building your ship under one set of basic conditions, like the weight of atoms, and then still travel safely to another place where these basic things will likely be different. And when it comes to stuff like force of gravity, these basic things, just alittle difference makes a huge impact.

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Oh, it's you again.

And really, so you have the audacity to assume we're the only sentient creatures, eh? I'd love to hear you scientifically back that up.

I can buy that maybe somewhere there might be sentient life, but sentient and intelligent like us? No, and I explained why.

The other poster seems to just be criticizing your reasoning. If he is, then he doesnt need to articulate a position about his own views. He just needs to explain what makes your reasoning fallacious.

I'm not going to read the entire argument, but if you believe in a god or gods, then your theory is disproved. Gods count as a separate species after all, do they not?

Anyways, I just think that we aren't the only intelligent life. There's an entire galaxy with so many possibilities in it alone, and outside of that, an entire universe in which galaxies are as numerous and tiny as the stars in the night sky. Something somewhere is just as smart as us, it's nearly a given.

You're also assuming that all intelligent life has to be composed exactly like us. Evolution and adaptation is a wonderful thing, and it can create some creatures that are even today beyond comprehension. Creatures that shouldn't be able to exist, but are.

What does a faith have to do with anything? Or are you just grasping at straws?

As I posted already, if there are intelligent life in other galaxies, then I doubt they would or could come here because our laws of gravity, atomic weights, magnetic pull strength, etc. are all likely unique to each galaxy. This makes inter-galactic travel near impossible in my opinion.

If you read my post, I discussed silicon life. Again, maybe it exists somewhere but its likely never been to our galaxy and likely never could.

Well if you believe in some form of external god, then it could count as an alien, as it is intelligent life, not human, and most likely doesn't inhabit earth. Same goes for creatures like angels.

And yes, I think that inter-galactic travel poses an issue to discovering others like ourselves...but I think that some species out there can solve it, perhaps one has already and they're just so far away that they haven't even come close to finding us yet. After all, we're a needle in a haystack.

As, for silicone life, I'll have to look back at that.

No, it couldnt. Gods and deities are religious figures, not aliens. To class them as aliens is like calling a wash basin a boat for no other reason than it floats.

I fail to see how you can solve for building your ship under one set of basic conditions, like the weight of atoms, and then still travel safely to another place where these basic things will likely be different. And when it comes to stuff like force of gravity, these basic things, just alittle difference makes a huge impact.

Well they could be. I mean, what if they were just the survivor of some sort of space travel gone wrong, and ended up in our galaxy by chance. They help the humans out by doing what seems impossible, and then bam! They're a god to us.

I guess you could try to give the ship the ability to auto adjust, but still somehow preserve those inside the ship. As for the actual travel, I was thinking that wormholes could be harnessed to get from place to place, effectively cutting down on travel time.

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Xx-LeGii_TyLeR--

The way I think of it: If the universe is an ever-growing infinite, the the possibilities are infinite.

I think it's ridiculous to think we're alone.

What do you think?

I agree. It's irrational to think that out of the untold BILLIONS of planets, surrounding the untold BILLIONS of stars, that only one single planet, managed to produce life.

Let's put this into math. Let's assume there are 1 billion stars. Let's then assume that each star has 9 planets around it (as our solar system does).

That's 9,000,000,000 planets. 9 BILLION planets. Are we to believe the ratio to barren planets to life-sustaining planets are 8,999,999,999....to 1?

[Quarkiness]

I think that aliens exist but I don't think that they spend all of their time irritating us. Like, they probably would've killed us all or made friends. Also, NO EDGE!!!!!

EDIT: @ black-wing-angel: Only eight planets. Pluto's a dwarf.