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Studies Show that Abstinence only education has completely failed. In fact, abstinence only has negatively affected those to whom it has been taught. Teenagers who pledge to remain virgins until marriage are just as likely to have premarital sex as those who do not promise abstinence and are significantly less likely to use condoms and other forms of birth control when they do, according to a study released today (Dec. 29, 200 cool .

The new analysis of data from a large federal survey found that more than half of youths became sexually active before marriage regardless of whether they had taken a "virginity pledge," but that the percentage who took precautions against pregnancy or sexually transmitted diseases was 10 points lower for pledgers than for non-pledgers.

"Taking a pledge doesn't seem to make any difference at all in any sexual behavior," said Janet E. Rosenbaum of the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, whose report appears in the January issue of the journal Pediatrics. "But it does seem to make a difference in condom use and other forms of birth control that is quite striking."

The study is the latest in a series that have raised questions about programs that focus on encouraging abstinence until marriage, including those that specifically ask students to publicly declare their intention to remain virgins. The new analysis, however, goes beyond earlier analyses by focusing on teens who had similar values about sex and other issues before they took a virginity pledge.

"Previous studies would compare a mixture of apples and oranges," Rosenbaum said. "I tried to pull out the apples and compare only the apples to other apples."

The findings are reigniting the debate about the effectiveness of abstinence-focused sexual education just as Congress and the new Obama administration are about to reconsider the more than $176 million in annual funding for such programs.

"This study again raises the issue of why the federal government is continuing to invest in abstinence-only programs," said Sarah Brown of the National Campaign to Prevent Teen and Unplanned Pregnancy. "What have we gained if we only encourage young people to delay sex until they are older, but then when they do become sexually active — and most do well before marriage — they don't protect themselves or their partners?"

This Problem Compounds Problems Already Facing Our Society. Teen pregnancy has been slowly, but steadily on the rise for many years now, and it's continuing to grow. Now with more and more children shying away from contraceptives due to poor sexual education, the number is sure to skyrocket. This problem is even more greatly compounded by the Pro-Life movement, many members of which fully support abstinence as the only method of birth control, and it's attempts to impose pregnancy and childbirth upon a person as a punishment of having sex.

Yes, I'm fully aware that there will be pro-lifers who come in claiming that pregnancy is not a punishment for sex, and I'm aware that many will say that she should take responsibility. Let's not turn this into an abortion debate, the topic is abstinence only education. Stay on it.

Let's head back to the article I've sourced for a moment:
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Rosenbaum focused on about 3,400 students who had not had sex or taken a virginity pledge in 1995. She compared 289 students who were 17 years old on average in 1996, when they took a virginity pledge, with 645 who did not take a pledge but were otherwise similar. She based that judgment on about 100 variables, including their attitudes and their parents' attitudes about sex and their perception of their friends' attitudes about sex and birth control.

"This study came about because somebody who decides to take a virginity pledge tends to be different from the average American teenager. The pledgers tend to be more religious. They tend to be more conservative. They tend to be less positive about sex. There are some striking differences," Rosenbaum said. "So comparing pledgers to all non-pledgers doesn't make a lot of sense."

By 2001, Rosenbaum found, 82 percent of those who had taken a pledge had retracted their promises, and there was no significant difference in the proportion of students in both groups who had engaged in any type of sexual activity, including giving or receiving oral sex, vaginal intercourse, the age at which they first had sex, or their number of sexual partners. More than half of both groups had engaged in various types of sexual activity, had an average of about three sexual partners and had had sex for the first time by age 21 even if they were unmarried.

"It seems that pledgers aren't really internalizing the pledge," Rosenbaum said. "Participating in a program doesn't appear to be motivating them to change their behavior. It seems like abstinence has to come from an individual conviction rather than participating in a program."

'Negative views about condoms'
While there was no difference in the rate of sexually transmitted diseases in the two groups, the percentage of students who reported condom use was about 10 points lower for those who had taken the pledge, and they were about 6 percentage points less likely to use any form of contraception. For example, about 24 percent of those who had taken a pledge said they always used a condom, compared with about 34 percent of those who had not.

Rosenbaum attributed the difference to what youths learn about condoms in abstinence-focused programs.

"There's been a lot of work that has found that teenagers who take part in abstinence-only education have more negative views about condoms," she said. "They tend not to give accurate information about condoms and birth control."

But Huber disputed that charge.

"Abstinence education programs provide accurate information on the level of protection offered through the typical use of condoms and contraception," she said. "Students understand that while condoms may reduce the risk of infection and/or pregnancy, they do not remove the risk."


Now then, as a society, it falls on us to insure that our children are protecting themselves, and that they have all the knowledge they need to survive and get by in this world. However, abstinence only sex education robs our children of that knowledge, and takes power away from them to make informed decisions. This proves quite costly, and is only serving as a huge detriment to our society as a whole.
Thank you for your completely obvious input.
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I agree. Just telling someone, "Don't do it. It's bad!" won't help at all. Teens are going to have sex no matter what. It's kinda like with guns. If someone just tells you "guns are bad!" and leaves it at that is not going to make you want to use a gun even less, and when you do, you will be unprepared and most likely shoot a hole in your foot. If you are taken out, shown the proper and safe way to shoot a gun, then you will be able to handle it safely if you so choose to use one.
Seems to me like you have a case against the mode of education presented in Abstinence Only classes and courses, not with the idea of a pledge.
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I guess a part of it is also to the teenager and how they are raised. I was raised to be abstinent, but I was also raised to know how to practice safe sex. I do plan on waiting until marriage to have sex. But if something happens and I change my mind, I know what I'm doing to keep myself safe.
In totally unrelated news, congratulations to Bristol Palin and Levi Johnston for their new baby Tripp.

I hope they are only mostly dead inside!
Well, I have a huge problem with pre-marriage sex because it leads to abortion of the unexpected baby most of the time. And abortion is bad because it is denying life, it is murder, and it is not the choice of the mother to murder the baby that could be the next Einstein. Anyways, I think safe sex should be taught, and people should learn about the risks. I think it would be great if they would just wait, but obviously they won't.
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a realistic christian
Well, I have a huge problem with pre-marriage sex because it leads to abortion of the unexpected baby most of the time.


Actually, according to the guttmacher institute, married women get the most abortions.

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And abortion is bad because it is denying life, it is murder,


Murder is the illegal killing of a person, which a fetus is not, and since abortion is legal, it's not murder.

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and it is not the choice of the mother to murder the baby that could be the next Einstein.


Too bad she can choose. What about the mother who had to drop out of college to care for a child she didn't want? What if she was going to get the knowledge to cure cancer? I prefer not to gamble with the lives of others.

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Anyways, I think safe sex should be taught, and people should learn about the risks. I think it would be great if they would just wait, but obviously they won't.


At least we agree on one thing.
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a realistic christian
Well, I have a huge problem with pre-marriage sex because it leads to abortion of the unexpected baby most of the time.
Proof of the bolded please. By the way, Married women have abortions too.

a realistic christian
And abortion is bad because it is denying life,
Eating, breathing, and living are bad because they kill other lifes. Bzzzt, wrong answer. Are you aware of just how many living things had to die for you to go on living for one more day?

a realistic christian
it is murder,
Show me where in the legal definition of murder it includes abortion. Here, I'll even give you a direct link to the legal definition, and include the exact line that proves you wrong from that source.
Death of an unborn child who is "quick" (fetus is moving) can be murder, provided there was premeditation, malice and no legal authority. Thus, abortion is not murder under the law.

a realistic christian
and it is not the choice of the mother to murder the baby that could be the next Einstein.
First, it's a fetus, not a baby, second, there is no murder, and finally, it could just as easily be the next Hitler. Law of averages says it'll be neither, but arguements from potential are poor arguements indeed. I'm a potential senior citizen, I want my senior perks now. You're a potential child rapist, you need to be imprisioned.

a realistic christian
Anyways, I think safe sex should be taught, and people should learn about the risks. I think it would be great if they would just wait, but obviously they won't.
Finally, you speak some sense. Thank god you can at least be on topic for PART of your post. Anymore abortion discussion in this thread (which is NOT an abortion topic) and I'll permanently ban you from it.
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I went to high school in Texas and they didn't go over birth control, just basically told us not to do it. They went over the reproductive system, STDs, showed us pictures of STDs, showed us a video of a baby being born, but never once did condoms come up. If you wanted to talk about it, you could go to the nurse after school, which no one ever did. No wonder there were three pregnant chicks in the class.
ottery
a realistic christian
Well, I have a huge problem with pre-marriage sex because it leads to abortion of the unexpected baby most of the time.


Actually, according to the guttmacher institute, married women get the most abortions.

Quote:

And abortion is bad because it is denying life, it is murder,


Murder is the illegal killing of a person, which a fetus is not, and since abortion is legal, it's not murder.

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and it is not the choice of the mother to murder the baby that could be the next Einstein.


Too bad she can choose. What about the mother who had to drop out of college to care for a child she didn't want? What if she was going to get the knowledge to cure cancer? I prefer not to gamble with the lives of others.

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Anyways, I think safe sex should be taught, and people should learn about the risks. I think it would be great if they would just wait, but obviously they won't.


At least we agree on one thing.

If you were a single woman, and you got knocked up, would you have the kid? most wouldn't.

A fetus would become a person. and if the fetus is old enough, it can move, it can hear, it can respond to it's parent's voices, so it can think. Sounds like a person to me.

how bout all those married women you were just talking about, who killed their baby?
AntiThesis of Time
a realistic christian
Well, I have a huge problem with pre-marriage sex because it leads to abortion of the unexpected baby most of the time.
Proof of the bolded please. By the way, Married women have abortions too.

a realistic christian
And abortion is bad because it is denying life,
Eating, breathing, and living are bad because they kill other lifes. Bzzzt, wrong answer. Are you aware of just how many living things had to die for you to go on living for one more day?

a realistic christian
it is murder,
Show me where in the legal definition of murder it includes abortion. Here, I'll even give you a direct link to the legal definition, and include the exact line that proves you wrong from that source.
Death of an unborn child who is "quick" (fetus is moving) can be murder, provided there was premeditation, malice and no legal authority. Thus, abortion is not murder under the law.

a realistic christian
and it is not the choice of the mother to murder the baby that could be the next Einstein.
First, it's a fetus, not a baby, second, there is no murder, and finally, it could just as easily be the next Hitler. Law of averages says it'll be neither, but arguements from potential are poor arguements indeed. I'm a potential senior citizen, I want my senior perks now. You're a potential child rapist, you need to be imprisioned.

a realistic christian
Anyways, I think safe sex should be taught, and people should learn about the risks. I think it would be great if they would just wait, but obviously they won't.
Finally, you speak some sense. Thank god you can at least be on topic for PART of your post. Anymore abortion discussion in this thread (which is NOT an abortion topic) and I'll permanently ban you from it.
Fine, I won't use the word abortion. But I will say that it seems to me that you are a cynic who speaks without firsthand experience or true knowledge.
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a realistic christian
AntiThesis of Time
a realistic christian
Well, I have a huge problem with pre-marriage sex because it leads to abortion of the unexpected baby most of the time.
Proof of the bolded please. By the way, Married women have abortions too.

a realistic christian
And abortion is bad because it is denying life,
Eating, breathing, and living are bad because they kill other lifes. Bzzzt, wrong answer. Are you aware of just how many living things had to die for you to go on living for one more day?

a realistic christian
it is murder,
Show me where in the legal definition of murder it includes abortion. Here, I'll even give you a direct link to the legal definition, and include the exact line that proves you wrong from that source.
Death of an unborn child who is "quick" (fetus is moving) can be murder, provided there was premeditation, malice and no legal authority. Thus, abortion is not murder under the law.

a realistic christian
and it is not the choice of the mother to murder the baby that could be the next Einstein.
First, it's a fetus, not a baby, second, there is no murder, and finally, it could just as easily be the next Hitler. Law of averages says it'll be neither, but arguements from potential are poor arguements indeed. I'm a potential senior citizen, I want my senior perks now. You're a potential child rapist, you need to be imprisioned.

a realistic christian
Anyways, I think safe sex should be taught, and people should learn about the risks. I think it would be great if they would just wait, but obviously they won't.
Finally, you speak some sense. Thank god you can at least be on topic for PART of your post. Anymore abortion discussion in this thread (which is NOT an abortion topic) and I'll permanently ban you from it.
Fine, I won't use the word abortion. But I will say that it seems to me that you are a cynic who speaks without firsthand experience or true knowledge.
Ah, Ad Hominem, rather then trying to counter the arguements, you attempt to discredit me by directly attacking me. Nice job. Now, how are you drawing that conclusion, since attacking me personally seems to be the only way you can counter anything I've said. Come on, don't be a coward now, back up your claims and/or attacks.
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a realistic christian
ottery
a realistic christian
Well, I have a huge problem with pre-marriage sex because it leads to abortion of the unexpected baby most of the time.


Actually, according to the guttmacher institute, married women get the most abortions.

Quote:

And abortion is bad because it is denying life, it is murder,


Murder is the illegal killing of a person, which a fetus is not, and since abortion is legal, it's not murder.

Quote:

and it is not the choice of the mother to murder the baby that could be the next Einstein.


Too bad she can choose. What about the mother who had to drop out of college to care for a child she didn't want? What if she was going to get the knowledge to cure cancer? I prefer not to gamble with the lives of others.

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Anyways, I think safe sex should be taught, and people should learn about the risks. I think it would be great if they would just wait, but obviously they won't.


At least we agree on one thing.

If you were a single woman, and you got knocked up, would you have the kid? most wouldn't.
Proof please. You keep making all these claims, but I've yet to see you support them. Link a source please that supports your claim, or GTFO.

a realistic christian
A fetus would become a person. and if the fetus is old enough, it can move, it can hear, it can respond to it's parent's voices, so it can think. Sounds like a person to me.
And I will become a senior citizen, so why am I not entitled to those benefits right now? Wait, it's because I'm NOT a senior citizen.

a realistic christian
how bout all those married women you were just talking about, who killed their baby?
Well, since no one killed a baby, what about them?
So they finally realized that telling them they shouldn't do it is going to make them want to do it even more?

About time.
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