A question for those against abortion

[x Sarnath x]

Cutie-pie Sleepyhead

x Sarnath x

They should spend less time standing in front of abortion clinics trying to give people anxiety attacks, and more time volunteering at a soup kitchen. Do something that actually matters.

Can't they do both?

But they don't. They just want to b***h and make people feel bad. If it doesn't propagate their morals, they aren't interested. If it doesn't involve imposing beliefs on people, they'll sit this one out.

A lot of pro-lifers aren't good people. Anyone that thinks the non-sentient fetus should take priority over a grown woman's hopes and dreams is probably not alright int he head.

[I got bored one day]

x Sarnath x

Cutie-pie Sleepyhead

x Sarnath x

They should spend less time standing in front of abortion clinics trying to give people anxiety attacks, and more time volunteering at a soup kitchen. Do something that actually matters.

Can't they do both?

But they don't. They just want to b***h and make people feel bad. If it doesn't propagate their morals, they aren't interested. If it doesn't involve imposing beliefs on people, they'll sit this one out.

A lot of pro-lifers aren't good people. Anyone that thinks the unborn should take priority over a non-sentient fetus is probably not alright int he head.

But they can, right?

[x Sarnath x]

Nonesuch Solo

x Sarnath x

Nonesuch Solo

x Sarnath x

Rape laws should be built around girls. Because they're the ones that have to deal with it. If a man gets raped, so what? Oh noes, he might have had a good time.

Holy ******** you did not just say that. What a misanthrope.

x Sarnath x

There are other things to crow about... Other things to worry about for these "pro-life" people. They care so much about the baby before it's born, but once it pops out, they don't give a ******** about it at all. Look at all the sad children who don't have enough to eat, and who don't get anything for Christmas. Look at the little kids with bruises who get sexually abused. Worry about that s**t.

Prove that lifers don't.

They should spend less time standing in front of abortion clinics trying to give people anxiety attacks, and more time volunteering at a soup kitchen. Do something that actually matters.
The point is, people are hung up on all the wrong things. People waste energy on bitching at girls who really don't care about what they have to say. So a girl wants to have an abortion. I'm pretty sure she can make the choice on her own. She doesn't need these halfwits harassing her and telling her what to do with herself for the next 18 years.
If the pro-lifers pool all their money together and fork over the thousands of dollars needed to raise a child, maybe then they would have more than a say. But they just want to interject this ONE thing. They want to give this ONE opinion and make it dictate a girl's life, then just walk away and never see her again.
It's a joke. It's silly. There's just no discussion here.

I'm sorry, I'm still hung up on the fact that a male rape victim is just a joke to you. I don't know if I can continue trying to take you seriously after that.

Prove that pro-lifers devote more of their energy to standing outside the legal radius from an abortion clinic than they do helping already-born individuals. This is your claim: that lifers are just wasting their energy and ONLY CARE ABOUT THE FETUS. This is what YOU have to prove.

Yeah, um... Male rape makes me smile every time I hear the phrase. Sorry.

Then I guess this discussion is over? ; ]

[Nonesuch Solo]

x Sarnath x

Nonesuch Solo

x Sarnath x

The only fair solution I see here is to give the fetus to someone that wants it. Not the developed baby - The fetus. Rip it out and put it in a little baggie, and deliver it to the pro-lifers with care. Show them how much of a human the thing really is. It's not a human. The bottom line is that it's a POTENTIAL human with the CHANCE at life. But it didn't make it. What a shame.
I would be willing to bet a lot of money on the fact that the fetus will never know that it had a chance at being alive. It won't have any regrets, or even any thoughts. It will probably suffer a lot less than the majority of people on Earth.

This is a personal thing, not something that should be discussed as a group with tons of government officials. This world is sexist enough as it is. And to strip women of such an important right is just a joke.

It is not a solution if the life is ended in the process. rolleyes

Yeah, but it isn't a "life" like what you're thinking. It's a brainless creature that knows nothing of the world. It knows only darkness and warmth. And it will return to darkness and never know the difference. Fact.

You are assuming my position and arguing against something you made up in your head. You think I don't know what the stages of development look like in the womb? ********, you must think yourself very smart indeed, because obviously every pro-lifer thinks that the instant conception happens a miniature baby is formed!

This is getting more and more ridiculous.

And on top of that, you're arguing basically "what you don't know can't hurt you." If this is the case, then a senile old man certainly won't mind if I take his money, therefore it isn't wrong!

[I got bored one day]

The trolling/zealotry could have been better. I'm bored again.

[RAINN Voulunteer]

I've been pro-choice ever since my best friend was raped and became pregnant.

[Nonesuch Solo]

x Sarnath x

Nonesuch Solo

x Sarnath x

Nonesuch Solo

x Sarnath x

Rape laws should be built around girls. Because they're the ones that have to deal with it. If a man gets raped, so what? Oh noes, he might have had a good time.

Holy ******** you did not just say that. What a misanthrope.

x Sarnath x

There are other things to crow about... Other things to worry about for these "pro-life" people. They care so much about the baby before it's born, but once it pops out, they don't give a ******** about it at all. Look at all the sad children who don't have enough to eat, and who don't get anything for Christmas. Look at the little kids with bruises who get sexually abused. Worry about that s**t.

Prove that lifers don't.

They should spend less time standing in front of abortion clinics trying to give people anxiety attacks, and more time volunteering at a soup kitchen. Do something that actually matters.
The point is, people are hung up on all the wrong things. People waste energy on bitching at girls who really don't care about what they have to say. So a girl wants to have an abortion. I'm pretty sure she can make the choice on her own. She doesn't need these halfwits harassing her and telling her what to do with herself for the next 18 years.
If the pro-lifers pool all their money together and fork over the thousands of dollars needed to raise a child, maybe then they would have more than a say. But they just want to interject this ONE thing. They want to give this ONE opinion and make it dictate a girl's life, then just walk away and never see her again.
It's a joke. It's silly. There's just no discussion here.

I'm sorry, I'm still hung up on the fact that a male rape victim is just a joke to you. I don't know if I can continue trying to take you seriously after that.

Prove that pro-lifers devote more of their energy to standing outside the legal radius from an abortion clinic than they do helping already-born individuals. This is your claim: that lifers are just wasting their energy and ONLY CARE ABOUT THE FETUS. This is what YOU have to prove.

Yeah, um... Male rape makes me smile every time I hear the phrase. Sorry.

Then I guess this discussion is over? ; ]

Should I take this as a concession that you don't know what you're talking about and can't prove your viewpoint?

[x Sarnath x]

Nonesuch Solo

x Sarnath x

Nonesuch Solo

x Sarnath x

The only fair solution I see here is to give the fetus to someone that wants it. Not the developed baby - The fetus. Rip it out and put it in a little baggie, and deliver it to the pro-lifers with care. Show them how much of a human the thing really is. It's not a human. The bottom line is that it's a POTENTIAL human with the CHANCE at life. But it didn't make it. What a shame.
I would be willing to bet a lot of money on the fact that the fetus will never know that it had a chance at being alive. It won't have any regrets, or even any thoughts. It will probably suffer a lot less than the majority of people on Earth.

This is a personal thing, not something that should be discussed as a group with tons of government officials. This world is sexist enough as it is. And to strip women of such an important right is just a joke.

It is not a solution if the life is ended in the process. rolleyes

Yeah, but it isn't a "life" like what you're thinking. It's a brainless creature that knows nothing of the world. It knows only darkness and warmth. And it will return to darkness and never know the difference. Fact.

You are assuming my position and arguing against something you made up in your head. You think I don't know what the stages of development look like in the womb? ********, you must think yourself very smart indeed, because obviously every pro-lifer thinks that the instant conception happens a miniature baby is formed!

This is getting more and more ridiculous.

And on top of that, you're arguing basically "what you don't know can't hurt you." If this is the case, then a senile old man certainly won't mind if I take his money, therefore it isn't wrong!

Go ahead and take his money. I don't care. That's your business. What I don't know won't hurt me. : )
This is honestly how I feel about life. I don't think it's anyone else's business what happens between a woman and her fetus. It's hers to do as she pleases. Other people can piss and moan about it all they want, but a respectable, smart woman will laugh at them and tell them to mind their own business.

[RAINN Voulunteer]

Cutie-pie Sleepyhead

The trolling/zealotry could have been better. I'm bored again.

Let's talk about this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q_WDX2Ilhc

[I got bored one day]

Raptor Mechanic

I've been pro-choice ever since my best friend was raped and became pregnant.

Actually that falls under "reasonable exception"; abortion for the victimized and for those who are simply unlucky despite all possible properly implemented precautions would probably still be in place, namely because it's unreasonable to remove those particular bastions of reason. There's nothing in law without exception.

[0-gitaroo_man-0]

Cutie-pie Sleepyhead

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Alright I did agree with some of your stuff against Sarnath so I take it back... I just dislike you a little bit :]

I'll take it.

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What I meant was that I think it's absurd to say that you are unconscious, granted your brain slows down and will not process as many functions but you still HAVE consciousness.

It's a Video!

Sorry but you just deafeated yourself, the guy said "We're not unconsious, just in a state of deep sleep."

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And actually no it used to be thought that your mind was in your heart, but this is like greek times. And now if you ask someone to point to their mind they'd generally point to their brain. It's not the concept of them being interwoven that's new it's the whether the mind actually exists at all is new.

Well, no. People are pretty sure the mind exists, just not as we plotted it out a long time ago, primarily because there are portions of our actions that cannot be explained via brain activity. Certain beliefs like hypochondria have no physical implications whatsoever, and the idea that the mind doesn't exist has been around for as long as the idea that it does; at first as a metaphyiscal thing ( peneal gland-ish ) it was thrown out but as time went on it re-emerged namely because if many things were simply physical brain activity drugs could cure it; I know it's complex and the brain is nowhere near 1% of study, but in theory that should work, you should be able to create a pill that cures trauma. Highly unlikely since it's also hard to play the what comes first game; even if you alleviated the symptoms of trauma there's no real way to cure it, much like addiction.

Arrgh don't go into Descarte's weird thoughts -_-

Yeah I know what you mean, just like lobotomy can halt some functions of consciousness. It would show that some parts of consciousness are physical or that if there is consciousness then it may not be what we think it is still impossible to constitute for qualia once you've thrown out the mind just like behaviourists tripped themselves up on.

.....I've forgotton what we've been arguing about know but I am enjoying it aha[/align

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[x Sarnath x]

Cutie-pie Sleepyhead

Raptor Mechanic

I've been pro-choice ever since my best friend was raped and became pregnant.

Actually that falls under "reasonable exception"; abortion for the victimized and for those who are simply unlucky despite all possible properly implemented precautions would probably still be in place, namely because it's unreasonable to remove those particular bastions of reason. There's nothing in law without exception.

Pick and choose, pick and choose. Everyone is created equal, but some of us are more equal than others. : ) I don't get it. Explain why it's okay to kill one baby but not another. Because it's an inconvenience to the woman's life and she doesn't want it? Oh, wait. That's what I said pages back... Damn.

[I got bored one day]

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Cutie-pie Sleepyhead

0-gitaroo_man-0

Alright I did agree with some of your stuff against Sarnath so I take it back... I just dislike you a little bit :]

I'll take it.

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What I meant was that I think it's absurd to say that you are unconscious, granted your brain slows down and will not process as many functions but you still HAVE consciousness.

It's a Video!

Sorry but you just deafeated yourself, the guy said "We're not unconsious, just in a state of deep sleep."

I believe I said... Oh, no you're right, I thought it.

Damn.

I'll gladly concede; my previous thought I didn't state and deleted was "we are not actually conscious, nor are we entirely unconscious, it's a mixture of various factors and is not that simple."

I guess instead I tried to work by example to show you are not actually aware during deep sleep, which you aren't, you are not conscious ( as in fully aware as you put it ) in deep sleep.

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Arrgh don't go into Descarte's weird thoughts -_-

Yeah I know what you mean, just like lobotomy can halt some functions of consciousness. It would show that some parts of consciousness are physical or that if there is consciousness then it may not be what we think it is still impossible to constitute for qualia once you've thrown out the mind just like behaviourists tripped themselves up on.

.....I've forgotton what we've been arguing about know but I am enjoying it aha[/align

]

I don't really remember either.

[I got bored one day]

x Sarnath x

Cutie-pie Sleepyhead

Raptor Mechanic

I've been pro-choice ever since my best friend was raped and became pregnant.

Actually that falls under "reasonable exception"; abortion for the victimized and for those who are simply unlucky despite all possible properly implemented precautions would probably still be in place, namely because it's unreasonable to remove those particular bastions of reason. There's nothing in law without exception.

Pick and choose, pick and choose.

Yeah, that's generally how reason works...

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Everyone is created equal, but some of us are more equal than others. : )

Um...

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I don't get it.

Who's surprised?

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Explain why it's okay to kill one baby but not another.

Ahem, "okay" is the wrong term. It's an exception based on practical application versus the most optimal result. For instance in regards to murder, Anger is a strong human emotion and it can drive people into a blind rage. The fact that this happens poses the need for a method of dealing with said problem, and the same with the insanity plea, it doesn't mean that killing others is honky-dory, but on the same note we have to acknowledge that there are more factors than what we optimally wish for in real life. Crime and malfunction are just two of many.

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Because it's an inconvenience to the woman's life and she doesn't want it?

No, actually. It's because she was victimized and all processes that occurred were completely against the will, and I mean all, including those that could be explicit controlled.

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Oh, wait.

Don't think too hard.

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That's what I said pages back... Damn.

Except it's nowhere near.

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Cutie-pie Sleepyhead

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Cutie-pie Sleepyhead

0-gitaroo_man-0

Alright I did agree with some of your stuff against Sarnath so I take it back... I just dislike you a little bit :]

I'll take it.

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What I meant was that I think it's absurd to say that you are unconscious, granted your brain slows down and will not process as many functions but you still HAVE consciousness.

It's a Video!

Sorry but you just deafeated yourself, the guy said "We're not unconsious, just in a state of deep sleep."

I believe I said... Oh, no you're right, I thought it.

Damn.

I'll gladly concede; my previous thought I didn't state and deleted was "we are not actually conscious, nor are we entirely unconscious, it's a mixture of various factors and is not that simple."

I guess instead I tried to work by example to show you are not actually aware during deep sleep, which you aren't, you are not conscious ( as in fully aware as you put it ) in deep sleep.

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Arrgh don't go into Descarte's weird thoughts -_-

Yeah I know what you mean, just like lobotomy can halt some functions of consciousness. It would show that some parts of consciousness are physical or that if there is consciousness then it may not be what we think it is still impossible to constitute for qualia once you've thrown out the mind just like behaviourists tripped themselves up on.

.....I've forgotton what we've been arguing about know but I am enjoying it aha[/align

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I don't really remember either.

Well I do agree with you on the sleep thing, it's just when I think of unconcious I think of coma patient and just didn't want to go that far :]

But o yeah that was it... Abortion = Win (Y)