A question for those against abortion

[Rayne Nightrose]

Jaishirri

Rayne Nightrose

Jaishirri

Rayne Nightrose

Jaishirri

Always. Whether the mother has a possitive or a negative birthing experience, her body undergoes immence trauma. That trauma can be physical: rupture of membranes, tears in the v****a walls, dilation of the cervix, descent of the baby, or that trauma can be psychological: extreme stress resulting from worry, pain, life-threatening situation (of which child birth is).

You're attacking me again gonk

No but you're right, I wasn't thinking about physical trauma at all.

Awe, I'm not attacking you! I'm enjoying the conversation though.

Yeah me too biggrin Both of them. I actually posted that before I looked up trauma and realized that it doesn't necessarily have to be long lasting. I'm in Psych so I guess I sometimes forget that words have multiple meanings.

Gotta love the english language. Though I'm off to work now. bleh.

Agreed. I'm learning meanings for words that I could have sworn didn't exist 5 years ago O_o
Well have fun at work.

[Xiean]

I'm against abortion because it's basically murder...! The murder of an unborn child.

[I got bored one day]

Xiean

I'm against abortion because it's basically murder...! The murder of an unborn child.

The term "slaughter" is more appealing.

[Rayne Nightrose]

Cutie-pie Sleepyhead

Xiean

I'm against abortion because it's basically murder...! The murder of an unborn child.

The term "slaughter" is more appealing.

It's also more radical. 3nodding

[I got bored one day]

Rayne Nightrose

Cutie-pie Sleepyhead

Xiean

I'm against abortion because it's basically murder...! The murder of an unborn child.

The term "slaughter" is more appealing.

It's also more radical. 3nodding

It's... also true.

[0-gitaroo_man-0]

How could you murder something that isn't born?

I think the thing that sways me the most is concsiousness. To me this is what really makes something living and I am currently for abortion but if I knew that a featus was conscious... then I may be inclined to change my view.

The pope has said (I don't know which one) that you gain consciousness at birth, some believe it's gained as you grow but some have discovered slight signs of it as a featus. What do you think?

[Rayne Nightrose]

0-gitaroo_man-0

How could you murder something that isn't born?

I think the thing that sways me the most is concsiousness. To me this is what really makes something living and I am currently for abortion but if I knew that a featus was conscious... then I may be inclined to change my view.

The pope has said (I don't know which one) that you gain consciousness at birth, some believe it's gained as you grow but some have discovered slight signs of it as a featus. What do you think?

I'm not quite sure when the brain starts to function but the heart starts beating at 4 weeks.

Personally I believe that any child that is capable of living without the assistance of its mother is alive.

Then again, some people can live on life support.... And parasites are alive as well...

[I got bored one day]

0-gitaroo_man-0

How could you murder something that isn't born?

Exactly. You maliciously slaughter it for self-righteous selfish reasons instead.

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I think the thing that sways me the most is concsiousness. To me this is what really makes something living and I am currently for abortion but if I knew that a featus was conscious... then I may be inclined to change my view.

... You go unconscious if you fall asleep, you know. I think you might mean being "self-aware", which is totally a little different.

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The pope has said (I don't know which one) that you gain consciousness at birth, some believe it's gained as you grow but some have discovered slight signs of it as a featus. What do you think?

I would assume it's a brain function so it probably shows up during development. Memory just doesn't kick in so while you may be conscious it serves no long-term purpose.

[x Sarnath x]

I think it's hilarious that there's even a debate about this. Maybe the anti-abortion people would like to pay all the hospital bills for people that nearly died having illegal abortions.
I think it's obvious that people are going to have abortions whether it's legal or not. Sorry, but not everyone cares about your "morals." lol Abortion should be available at a cheap cost to every woman, so she doesn't have to live in fear. And anyone that says otherwise is being unrealistic.

So what if "killing a baby" is being "selfish?" Don't do it yourself if it bothers you, Sorry, but not every girl wants to get down on her knees in the kitchen and hang up her career plans to give birth to a baby she doesn't want.

[I got bored one day]

x Sarnath x

I think it's hilarious that there's even a debate about this. Maybe the anti-abortion people would like to pay all the hospital bills for people that nearly died having illegal abortions.
I think it's obvious that people are going to have abortions whether it's legal or not. Sorry, but not everyone cares about your "morals." lol Abortion should be available at a cheap cost to every woman, so she doesn't have to live in fear. And anyone that says otherwise is being unrealistic.

You are aware that this is a vague and very openly abused argument right? I could say the same about heroine addicts and rapists.

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So what if "killing a baby" is being "selfish?"

I'm pretty sure under all other methods of ethical thought killing anyone for selfish gain is not allowed. You know, the 99% rule?

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Don't do it yourself if it bothers you, Sorry, but not every girl wants to get down on her knees in the kitchen and hang up her career plans to give birth to a baby she doesn't want.

Which is a clear expression of why you should just never stop taking birth control. Ever.

[Rayne Nightrose]

x Sarnath x

I think it's hilarious that there's even a debate about this. Maybe the anti-abortion people would like to pay all the hospital bills for people that nearly died having illegal abortions.
I think it's obvious that people are going to have abortions whether it's legal or not. Sorry, but not everyone cares about your "morals." lol Abortion should be available at a cheap cost to every woman, so she doesn't have to live in fear. And anyone that says otherwise is being unrealistic.

So what if "killing a baby" is being "selfish?" Don't do it yourself if it bothers you, Sorry, but not every girl wants to get down on her knees in the kitchen and hang up her career plans to give birth to a baby she doesn't want.

The problem here is, the only abortions "available at a cheap cost" include saline and clothes hangers, which can both kill the mother.

[x Sarnath x]

Cutie-pie Sleepyhead

x Sarnath x

I think it's hilarious that there's even a debate about this. Maybe the anti-abortion people would like to pay all the hospital bills for people that nearly died having illegal abortions.
I think it's obvious that people are going to have abortions whether it's legal or not. Sorry, but not everyone cares about your "morals." lol Abortion should be available at a cheap cost to every woman, so she doesn't have to live in fear. And anyone that says otherwise is being unrealistic.

You are aware that this is a vague and very openly abused argument right? I could say the same about heroine addicts and rapists.

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So what if "killing a baby" is being "selfish?"

I'm pretty sure under all other methods of ethical thought killing anyone for selfish gain is not allowed. You know, the 99% rule?

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Don't do it yourself if it bothers you, Sorry, but not every girl wants to get down on her knees in the kitchen and hang up her career plans to give birth to a baby she doesn't want.

Which is a clear expression of why you should just never stop taking birth control. Ever.

Are you kidding me? "Be a good girl and take your birth control!" You just made me laugh out loud. Are you aware that birth control fails? Even if you take the pills at the same time every day, there's a chance you will get pregnant. Even if you use a condom properly each time, there's a chance it'll break.
So you think that if you go through all the precautions to have safe sex... If you take birth control, use a condom, but somehow manage to get pregnant... You should be forced to keep this child you don't even want?

I'm glad the government is more fair and rational than this. = / You might think it's wrong, but what's MORE wrong is to impose your morals on other people who want nothing to do with them.

[I got bored one day]

Rayne Nightrose

x Sarnath x

I think it's hilarious that there's even a debate about this. Maybe the anti-abortion people would like to pay all the hospital bills for people that nearly died having illegal abortions.
I think it's obvious that people are going to have abortions whether it's legal or not. Sorry, but not everyone cares about your "morals." lol Abortion should be available at a cheap cost to every woman, so she doesn't have to live in fear. And anyone that says otherwise is being unrealistic.

So what if "killing a baby" is being "selfish?" Don't do it yourself if it bothers you, Sorry, but not every girl wants to get down on her knees in the kitchen and hang up her career plans to give birth to a baby she doesn't want.

The problem here is, the only abortions "available at a cheap cost" include saline and clothes hangers, which can both kill the mother.

That's their fault; witches used to brew up stuff that would get rid of such things and that information is now widespread thanks to modern, well, everything. Ah, witches, the pharmacists of the past.

[x Sarnath x]

Rayne Nightrose

x Sarnath x

I think it's hilarious that there's even a debate about this. Maybe the anti-abortion people would like to pay all the hospital bills for people that nearly died having illegal abortions.
I think it's obvious that people are going to have abortions whether it's legal or not. Sorry, but not everyone cares about your "morals." lol Abortion should be available at a cheap cost to every woman, so she doesn't have to live in fear. And anyone that says otherwise is being unrealistic.

So what if "killing a baby" is being "selfish?" Don't do it yourself if it bothers you, Sorry, but not every girl wants to get down on her knees in the kitchen and hang up her career plans to give birth to a baby she doesn't want.

The problem here is, the only abortions "available at a cheap cost" include saline and clothes hangers, which can both kill the mother.

"Available at a cheap cost" = / = "In a back alley" lol