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A fetus, however, does not benefit at the expense of the host. When speaking of parasites, the "at the expense of the host" comes with the connotation of biologically injuring the host; which fetuses do not generally do, nor are biologically intended to do.
You can say pregnancy isn't a choice, but sex is; and since sex is the cause of pregnancy, we can correlate the two by saying if you have a choice to have sex or not, and pregnancy is a potential consequence of sex, then by having sex you are accepting the risk of pregnancy.
Here's an analogy for that: say a person is injured, and they need to have a breathing tube put into their trachea. The person inserting the tube knows that it carries a risk of slowing their heart rate down to dangerous levels. And if that happens, it was by their choosing to insert that airway that the patient's heart slowed to dangerous levels. It was a risk they were aware of, and still took. Hmm, maybe that's not the best example. Either way, my point is if you choose to take an action knowing it carries risks, you are accepting those risks and choosing to roll your dice and risk them as well and should be ready for the consequences.
Going back to your analogy, if you choose to answer, knowing you could be right, you're also accepting the risk that you might be wrong. If you don't want to be wrong, the best option is not to answer the question at all. I think I like that analogy better, actually.
You're right, unfortunately, a man can walk away from their child much more easily than a woman can. And it's part of the unfortunate, unfair world we live in. But I still encourage people, men and women alike, not to do that. It seems like the more we attain the ability to control our lives the more we want to control them, and expect them to bow to our demands. But this universe is not, and never will be, fully under our control. It's an unfair life, you didn't come into this world and given a golden crown but slapped on the a** and whisked away to be poked and prodded while your mother lay in recover. We have to accept that things are not and never will be perfect, and work to control our own actions instead of expecting the world to undo the calculated risks we took that have come to pass.
That's my view, anyway. I think the fetus does benefit at the expense of the mother. It leeches nutrients and food that it otherwise cannot get for itself (benefits). The mother goes through morning sickness, bloating, and a painful labour (is hurt). Fetuses aren't intended to do harm... but what can you say about the intentions of a being that can't think yet?
Abortion is being ready for the consequences. Both abortion and pregnancy (and labour) are painful to the mother. Either way, they face the results of their actions. What would be unready for the consequences is being unable to support the child financially or emotionally. Good analogy though. biggrin
Your last point seems confusing to me. If I'm interpreting it correctly, are you saying that we shouldn't make our lives easier, even though we have the option to do so, just because it might not turn out the way we expected?
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It does not leech nutrients, but is provided them by the mother's own body. It doesn't have the capability to take from the mother by force; the mother's own body willingly provides it to the fetus. Also, when speaking of biological harm, morning sickness, bloating, and pain is not considered damaging.
If the being cannot speak, it cannot intend harm. Intent requires consciousness.
I don't personally consider abortion an appropriate response nor viable option to unwanted pregnancy. I think, as far as this argument goes, we've reached a stopping point. It's come down to personal morality, and neither of us is going to be able to change the other's opinion on; and in debate, you can't prove it either. The morality of terminating childbirth is subjective, not objective.
Ah, not quite. I'm saying that instead of trying to control the consequences of our actions, we should instead focus on controlling our own decisions. Preventitive medicine, basically. It takes nutrients from the mother's body. Nutrients that the mother may need, and will have to make up in with vitamins. What do we speak of when we speak of biological harm? Because I'm thinking of "makes the host feel bad/sick." Okay. Intent may require consciousness... but it doesn't mean harm can't occur without intent. Lice don't have the mental capacity to wish harm upon others, but it's still considered a parasite.
Alright. I'll concede to agreeing to disagree.
Preventative medicine is good and all, but what are we preventing? Yes, pregnancy, but also the pleasure of sex.
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The mother's body takes in enough nutrients and vitamins to care for both herself and the child. Women were having children long before pregnancy vitamins were around. The female body is designed to be able to take care of two lives at the same time.
When we speak of biological harm, we're talking about effects that can injure the woman to the point of disrupting normal physiological processes. Those few that exist are not common or usual in childbirth, and can today be treated. Things like I mentioned earlier, eclampsia, ectopic pregnancy; not morning sickness or bloating.
Lice don't also require humans to survive, they can find their food elsewhere!
We're preventing pregnancy, and pleasure, yes. But sexual pleasure, while nice, isn't a requirement of life; nor can it only be derived from sexual intercourse. I'm not against sex, or having sexual pleasure, only being aware that it can and may come at a cost; and that if that cost isn't something someone's willing to pay, that I personally do not think they should risk it.
"Women and children were around before vitamins..." I am not even going to state the obvious on that one... (ppssst food has vitamins dipshit!)
I said women were having children long before doctors dispensed prenatal vitamins to pregnant women.
If you're going to try to insult, learn to read first, fool.
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