A question for those against abortion

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Cutie-pie Sleepyhead

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The20

Since when does childbirth cause a trauma?

Squeezing something through a smaller hole is slightly traumatizing especially when you didn't even want to have the baby in the first place and will be giving it up for adoption as soon as it comes out of you.

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BTA

Kewl.

[Russian Hooker]

Because its not the babys fault that you made it,
You need to own up to your mistakes and
responsibility.

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Prisonic x Fairytale

Because its not your fault that you made it,
You need to own up to your mistakes and
responsibility.

gonk

[0-gitaroo_man-0]

That is possibly the worst analogy I have ever seen -_-

BUT... I am all for abortion however I don't think it should be free!!!

You can take precautions to getting pregnant and taxpayers money shouldn't be wasted on someone who's possibly fallen into a drunken pregnancy when it could be used for other means. I don't want to come across as though i'm taking a male stance on anything because I also believe this for many things, for instance an alcoholic shouldn't be allowed to drain resources for drink related illnesses when they could have taken precuations.

However I do believe the bill should allow abortions for specailised reasons such as, risk to the health of the mother, rape etc.

[Jaishirri]

Rayne Nightrose

The20

Since when does childbirth cause a trauma?

I'm guessing she is talking about special circumstances.

Always. Whether the mother has a possitive or a negative birthing experience, her body undergoes immence trauma. That trauma can be physical: rupture of membranes, tears in the v****a walls, dilation of the cervix, descent of the baby, or that trauma can be psychological: extreme stress resulting from worry, pain, life-threatening situation (of which child birth is).

[Jaishirri]

0-gitaroo_man-0

That is possibly the worst analogy I have ever seen -_-

BUT... I am all for abortion however I don't think it should be free!!!

You can take precautions to getting pregnant and taxpayers money shouldn't be wasted on someone who's possibly fallen into a drunken pregnancy when it could be used for other means. I don't want to come across as though i'm taking a male stance on anything because I also believe this for many things, for instance an alcoholic shouldn't be allowed to drain resources for drink related illnesses when they could have taken precuations.

However I do believe the bill should allow abortions for specailised reasons such as, risk to the health of the mother, rape etc.

Your first one is free in Ontario, regarless of circumstance.

[Rayne Nightrose]

Jaishirri

Rayne Nightrose

The20

Since when does childbirth cause a trauma?

I'm guessing she is talking about special circumstances.

Always. Whether the mother has a possitive or a negative birthing experience, her body undergoes immence trauma. That trauma can be physical: rupture of membranes, tears in the v****a walls, dilation of the cervix, descent of the baby, or that trauma can be psychological: extreme stress resulting from worry, pain, life-threatening situation (of which child birth is).

You're attacking me again gonk

No but you're right, I wasn't thinking about physical trauma at all.

[I got bored one day]

Jaishirri

Rayne Nightrose

The20

Since when does childbirth cause a trauma?

I'm guessing she is talking about special circumstances.

Always. Whether the mother has a possitive or a negative birthing experience, her body undergoes immence trauma. That trauma can be physical: rupture of membranes, tears in the v****a walls, dilation of the cervix, descent of the baby, or that trauma can be psychological: extreme stress resulting from worry, pain, life-threatening situation (of which child birth is).

Childbirth is hard on the body but it's hard on the mind as well; trauma is usually something that is a little longer lasting, like for instance a woman who loses her ability to enjoy sex due to childbirth may have a little more to talk about than a woman with epidural who comes out scotch free, and many do despite horror stories.

[0-gitaroo_man-0]

Jaishirri

0-gitaroo_man-0

That is possibly the worst analogy I have ever seen -_-

BUT... I am all for abortion however I don't think it should be free!!!

You can take precautions to getting pregnant and taxpayers money shouldn't be wasted on someone who's possibly fallen into a drunken pregnancy when it could be used for other means. I don't want to come across as though i'm taking a male stance on anything because I also believe this for many things, for instance an alcoholic shouldn't be allowed to drain resources for drink related illnesses when they could have taken precuations.

However I do believe the bill should allow abortions for specailised reasons such as, risk to the health of the mother, rape etc.

Your first one is free in Ontario, regarless of circumstance.

Aha you say that like a sales rep :]

But I didn't know that, thanks!
I'm from outside America

[Jaishirri]

Rayne Nightrose

Jaishirri

Rayne Nightrose

The20

Since when does childbirth cause a trauma?

I'm guessing she is talking about special circumstances.

Always. Whether the mother has a possitive or a negative birthing experience, her body undergoes immence trauma. That trauma can be physical: rupture of membranes, tears in the v****a walls, dilation of the cervix, descent of the baby, or that trauma can be psychological: extreme stress resulting from worry, pain, life-threatening situation (of which child birth is).

You're attacking me again gonk

No but you're right, I wasn't thinking about physical trauma at all.

Awe, I'm not attacking you! I'm enjoying the conversation though.

[Jaishirri]

0-gitaroo_man-0

Jaishirri

0-gitaroo_man-0

That is possibly the worst analogy I have ever seen -_-

BUT... I am all for abortion however I don't think it should be free!!!

You can take precautions to getting pregnant and taxpayers money shouldn't be wasted on someone who's possibly fallen into a drunken pregnancy when it could be used for other means. I don't want to come across as though i'm taking a male stance on anything because I also believe this for many things, for instance an alcoholic shouldn't be allowed to drain resources for drink related illnesses when they could have taken precuations.

However I do believe the bill should allow abortions for specailised reasons such as, risk to the health of the mother, rape etc.

Your first one is free in Ontario, regarless of circumstance.

Aha you say that like a sales rep :]

But I didn't know that, thanks!
I'm from outside America

hehe. Gotta love Canadian Healthcare. I agree that it is unjust to waste taxpayer money on something as preventable as pregnancy.

[WenchUndertheBridge]

While the comparison is a bit off, I can see the point. Anti-abortionists will rant and rave how it is murder, how every life is sacred, blah, blah, blah. Yet, many of these people are for capitol punishment, deriding gays as not worthy of life, etc. They push to have people have the "life" of a vegetable. If every life is sacred, I can see where they would say the person who did not donate is a murderer. However, we don't know the circumstances behind his decision to not donate his marrow. I can see where some more on the fanatical end would want to see him convicted of murder. But, in the end, it is his body and his choice.

[Rayne Nightrose]

Jaishirri

Rayne Nightrose

Jaishirri

Rayne Nightrose

The20

Since when does childbirth cause a trauma?

I'm guessing she is talking about special circumstances.

Always. Whether the mother has a possitive or a negative birthing experience, her body undergoes immence trauma. That trauma can be physical: rupture of membranes, tears in the v****a walls, dilation of the cervix, descent of the baby, or that trauma can be psychological: extreme stress resulting from worry, pain, life-threatening situation (of which child birth is).

You're attacking me again gonk

No but you're right, I wasn't thinking about physical trauma at all.

Awe, I'm not attacking you! I'm enjoying the conversation though.

Yeah me too biggrin Both of them. I actually posted that before I looked up trauma and realized that it doesn't necessarily have to be long lasting. I'm in Psych so I guess I sometimes forget that words have multiple meanings.

[Jaishirri]

Rayne Nightrose

Jaishirri

Rayne Nightrose

Jaishirri

Rayne Nightrose

The20

Since when does childbirth cause a trauma?

I'm guessing she is talking about special circumstances.

Always. Whether the mother has a possitive or a negative birthing experience, her body undergoes immence trauma. That trauma can be physical: rupture of membranes, tears in the v****a walls, dilation of the cervix, descent of the baby, or that trauma can be psychological: extreme stress resulting from worry, pain, life-threatening situation (of which child birth is).

You're attacking me again gonk

No but you're right, I wasn't thinking about physical trauma at all.

Awe, I'm not attacking you! I'm enjoying the conversation though.

Yeah me too biggrin Both of them. I actually posted that before I looked up trauma and realized that it doesn't necessarily have to be long lasting. I'm in Psych so I guess I sometimes forget that words have multiple meanings.

Gotta love the english language. Though I'm off to work now. bleh.

[Mera1506]

Little Maus

In light of the recent Healthcare bill and the fact that it does not cover abortion, I'd like to open a debate with something new I learned recently.

For those of you who are anti-choice for whatever reasons;

Quote:

In the case of McFall V Shimp- a man in need of a bone marrow transplant to live had a cousin who was a compatible donor. The cousin however did not want to donate marrow, and the courts agreed that the cousin could not be forced to donate bone marrow to save the man's life; he died two weeks after the verdict was handed down.

When a woman is forced to bear a child it's 9 months of physical pain, social problems (loss of a job, getting kicked out of school, unable to complete education or work) as well as the painful procedure of childbirth and all the trauma that often follows even if the child is immediately given up for adoption. This is a long, hard, and very costly process. Going to the doctor for exams, ultrasounds, taking special prenatal vitamins, as well as the cost to simply have a baby, is very extreme.

This man would have undergone an admittedly very painful but short process of donating bone marrow, with no lasting side effects of mental trauma, and likely at no cost to himself, in order to save another persons life- and the courts decided that he did not have to do this.

People argue that these sparks of life deserve to live, and yet a man does not have to donate marrow to save another grown, currently living, thinking, feeling, hurting persons life? These fetuses that are aborted in order to save a woman's life (on many levels, so they can continue college or highschool or work without a severe interruption or permanent setback) do not have lives of their own, they are not thinking or feeling, and yet people expect women to have to carry them to term no matter what?

--- If abortion were illegal, then would the donation of things like bone marrow or organs we can spare without dying ourselves to save the lives of others have to be enforced? If not then why is a life less precious after it's been born?

It's not less precious. However the person who could donate was a human being with rights, already born. One of those rights is bodily integrity. No one can force him to give up that right and force him to donate bone marrow.

A pregnant woman also has the right of bodily integrity and should be able to have the fetus taken out.