A different look on abstinance

[Mauled by angry kittens]

The_Broken_Angel_Of_Time

I am strongly agains abstinance only education. My highschool had an abstinance only education progam, and well, it sort of failed because most of the freshman coming into the school were already screwing xd

HOWEVER, that doesn't mean I'm against abstinance in general. If you feel it's right for you, go right a head. I could really care less. Myself on the other hand don't plan on getting married any time soon (or at all, for that matter) so I'm going to screw my boyfriend when I'm good, ready and on birth control.

I say that abstinance should be encouraged (as in, saying that the only 100% way not to get prego or STDs is by not sleeping around and commiting to someone) but birth control should be taught about and explained how to be properly used (EX: putting a condom on a banana)

The great thing is that there are wooden penises made for education on how to put on a condom. Many schools won't use them, though, because they think it's going to scar the innocent children and give the others ideas.

[Sid Chastity]

The thing that bothers me about abstinence education is that teens are not given alternatives. At least, that's how my Texas school did it. There's nothing wrong with not having sex or having sex, but kids need to know how to protect themselves. Teaching abstinence isn't going to help the teens already having or thinking about having sex. If you don't give teens a wide view on sex, they end up becoming ignorant and making stupid mistakes, like not using birth control.

[doctorjackal777]

I don't think abstinence is bad, I think the way people go about the abstinence only education is. They say no sex at all, condoms and other contraceptives don't work and that is final. Yes condoms and the pill aren't 100% effective, so what at least you are actually taking a precaution as opposed to no precaution at all. But saying that they're useless kids assume there's no point in bothering with them at all. I would much rather my child make an educated decision and protect themselves when and if they decided to have sex. What happens when you get married, and don't actually want kids yet? Do you have to wait to enjoy your body with your lover, for when you actually want kids? That's crap! People should be able to have safe sex safely.

[todpury]

I've only been having sex for two years, but I don't think you're at all convincing me to stop. I protect myself, and my partner and I are completely monogamous. I'm going to teach my future kids to practice safe sex, but probably make some really awkward conversation about how it's okay for them to experiment or something.

Thing is, I've never been good at "helping myself." I've always needed another person in the sack with me for me to really get into it. I'm certain I'm not alone. I also really enjoy pleasuring whoever's with me.

[Rosetta Celestine]

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Rosetta Celestine

What does being married have to do with anything? Just because you married your baby daddy doesn't make you a better parent. It certainly helps if both parents are working and contributing financially to the child's well fair, but that's independent of marriage since divorced couples can do the same thing.

Also, your use of the out-dated term of "b*****d" is disheartening. This isn't the 15th century, your parents not having been married when you were conceived isn't really a big deal socially anymore. I never like the term "illegitimate children" anyways.

did you read what i wrote? IT DECREASES THE STD SPREAD. that's what that whole thing was about.

Monogamy does that. Not necessarily marriage.

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and i'm sorry but a 13 year old with a baby IS NOT viewed as a normal thing in our society.

Since when can 13-year-old's get married?

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and i also pointed out that if you didn't want a life partner that you could pleasure yourself

What does that have to do with anything I said?

you don't have to have sex to have a baby. you can be artificially inseminated. this post is more centered around stopping the spreading of std's through abstinence (which i personally do not endorse) rather than popping kids out. I don't care if you have a kid with your life partner. i personally am against have kids all together, since we have so many orphans.

Wow. You don't like kids because you don't like orphans. I'm not sure I can take you seriously anymore.

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which is why i wrote /life partners. and yes there is cheating, but if something becomes a powerful enough norm cheating would eventually become like those people that break the no-sex-with-children norm and have sex with kids. ie considered monsters.

Cheating will never be considered as bad as *****.

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As for the 13 year old thing, that's what most abstinance endorsing people thing about. children having sex and getting pregnant. Since when do you have to be married to have sex? abstinence until find of life partner/partners (if you want a harem lifestyle) would mean children are less likely to have sex.
edit: to get pregnant

Abstinence only education is retarded. Teenagers will always ******** around, it's our responsibility to teach them that you can indeed get pregnant in the water or when the girl is on top. If you just tell a child, "Don't have sex it's EVIL!", that's not education, that's fear mongering. Also a huge part of sex ed is about the prevention of STDs through condom usage. Those 13-year-olds get pregnant because they weren't taught just how you get pregnant.

[Tango Macabre]

Oh, I'm with you on safe sex education.

But the truth is, NO ONE will stop having sex at a young age, no matter how many times you tell them they're going to get STD's or anything of the sort.

People like sex too much.

Anyway, I've seen too many fifteen and sixteen year old mothers to believe that it'll stop.

[I got bored one day]

Abstinence until a condition is met will have the effects you state, but you wrong about masturbation being the same as coitus. I also don't think the disease rate would necessarily drop; after all abstinence until point X is not guaranteed monogamy, which is actually the problem in humans.

[Blind Guardian the 2nd]

Seeing as you consider a child as something that can be "illigitimate", I don't you think you should be allowed to talk to anyone below the age of 18 about sex.

[I got bored one day]

Blind Guardian the 2nd

Seeing as you consider a child as something that can be "illigitimate", I don't you think you should be allowed to talk to anyone below the age of 18 about sex.

I fail to see how that makes sense. It is a socially accepted and rooted term; the fact that you don't like it shouldn't be sufficient to silence her. It's better than calling them bastards, the proper name.

[RayneTree]

Honestly, where the ******** are these percentages coming from???

I will NEVER teach my child abstinence. I don't believe in waiting until you are married to have sex. Sex is pleasurable and can be a positive step in a relationship that bring two people much closer (or more if you aren't into monogamy, which is fine too), not the little dirty thing that happens after you've shared every other aspect of your life with your partner.

I think in society today, people tend to focus more on the consequences in any given situation, and yet sex is one of those things that, when done responsibly, can be performed as often as you want with little consequence.

I don't know who threw out that people don't get tested. That's a load of crock. Every single guy I have ever been with has been tested before I even kissed them. That may seem extreme to people, but then again, I look at sex for what it is, the physical manifestation of emotion, and I'd rather not have a side of herpes why transferring energy to my partner lol.

Oh, and to the people saying stuff like "you would leave such and such because they were bad in bed" ******** YES! I am female and I am going to test drive until I'm positive I want to go with that make and model. For more than one reason.

Many guys I know, who are married, have ended up marrying women who in no way, shape or form are on par with their sex drives. Where his sex drive is at 80%, hers is around 20%, in my opinion these individuals shouldn't have gotten married, and all have since divorced.

You can just as easily get STD's and pregnant by being married. The fact of the matter, both of these negative consequences are a result of irresponsibility. If you raise children aware, and teach them accordingly, there WILL be less people making irresponsible choices.

And for the last flipping time, Sex and Masturbation are not interchangeable.

[I got bored one day]

I think if humans were truly monogamous these problems would disappear.

[Blind Guardian the 2nd]

Cutie-pie Sleepyhead

Blind Guardian the 2nd

Seeing as you consider a child as something that can be "illigitimate", I don't you think you should be allowed to talk to anyone below the age of 18 about sex.

I fail to see how that makes sense. It is a socially accepted and rooted term; the fact that you don't like it shouldn't be sufficient to silence her. It's better than calling them bastards, the proper name.

We're experiencing a massive change in the make-up of the modern family. I wouldn't be surprised to see this term disappear in the future. As the only reason a child was ever called "illegitimate" was because we used to work in a system of patrilineal decent whereby a child born out of wedlock ran the risk of being another man's child.

Now, systems of decent are more often bilineal, and can travel down either the mother or the father. The concept of an illegitimate child no longer makes sense.

[Blind Guardian the 2nd]

Cutie-pie Sleepyhead

I think if humans were truly monogamous these problems would disappear.

Monogamy makes sense in more risky societies. Ensuring your line is continued (as a man) means it is logically sound to give economic support to a woman. As a woman, until the invention of effective contraceptives (especially in hunter gatherer societies) you will either be pregnant or caring for small children for almost your entire life. As a result, your labour ability is minimal, so having a man to provide for you along with your children is a good idea.

In an era of state support for disadvantaged individuals, why on Earth would monogamy be practiced?