A different look on abstinance

[marshmallowcreampie]

Does sex with the same gender count? If so, what if you want to do that, but can't get married where you live? rofl

[September the Eleventh]

Man, that s**t'll never happen, people want to do whatever. Everything's relative, remember? There needs to be no boundaries when it comes to sex! It's SEX! It's free! Get as much, with whomever and if anyone tries to impose rules they're trying to take away our freedoms!

[Eirikir]

Abstinence programs are what you get when people want to bury their heads in the sand and pretend sex before marriage/18 doesn't happen. They start these idiotic campaigns in the vain attempt to make screwing scary and not screwing "cool". Sex happens, as early as grade school, all over. Abstinence only pushes sex "underground" as the kids that agree to it can still screw, but go around acting high and mighty... just like the program organizers.

Stop wasting the limited resources of schools and put the money in books or something useful.

[Riviera de la Mancha]

Eirikir

Abstinence programs are what you get when people want to bury their heads in the sand and pretend sex before marriage/18 doesn't happen. They start these idiotic campaigns in the vain attempt to make screwing scary and not screwing "cool". Sex happens, as early as grade school, all over. Abstinence only pushes sex "underground" as the kids that agree to it can still screw, but go around acting high and mighty... just like the program organizers.

Stop wasting the limited resources of schools and put the money in books or something useful.

No, its what happens when people want to convey something beyond trite biology.

[Mauled by angry kittens]

Irahatam

Bumping uglies! rofl
Sorry, it's been a while since I've heard that reference.
Anyhoo, I taught all my kids to abstain from sex by letting them know that condom's are not 100% safe nor are they even 90% safe. I'm sure they dealt with their desires in the usual manner...longer showers, and three did fine. My oldest is the only one who went against abstinence and tried everything he could get his hands on. He has three kids, two while married for almost two years, who are not with him now, and one that is illegitimate. He's had a few nasty little freebies from some of the girls...even when he used a condom (that whole not 90% effective thing), but so far he's contracted nothing that hangs around for the rest of his life.

Actually, condoms are more than 98% effective if you actually taught your kids how to use one.

[cheetahtmss]

I will not be abstinent. I assume I won't get married, either, and I'm not going through life a virgin.
My issues with abstinence:
1. People think it's the 'only thing' that can save us ohjebus, so they only teach it. Then kids don't get it, and go do it anyway. I've been to a lot of schools, and in every school, about 5% of the girls get pregnant. And when I go to a school with sex ed that doesn't only include abstinence, it's like less than 1%.
2. Just because you get married, it doesn't mean you're going to STAY married. And besides, I fear that people who believe in abstinence only will rush into marriage. Yeah, I've seen it happen.
3. I like to test drive my vehicles before I make a purchase. ;DDD
If you want to be abstinent, feel free. But I encourage srs sex ed (The kids that scares the shiz out of you, with gross warts and documentation of AIDs/HIV, and watching a baby being born) in our schools, and don't try to push it on people. We aren't immoral if we get it oooon

[Riviera de la Mancha]

cheetahtmss

I will not be abstinent. I assume I won't get married, either, and I'm not going through life a virgin.
My issues with abstinence:
1. People think it's the 'only thing' that can save us ohjebus, so they only teach it. Then kids don't get it, and go do it anyway. I've been to a lot of schools, and in every school, about 5% of the girls get pregnant. And when I go to a school with sex ed that doesn't only include abstinence, it's like less than 1%.
2. Just because you get married, it doesn't mean you're going to STAY married. And besides, I fear that people who believe in abstinence only will rush into marriage. Yeah, I've seen it happen.
3. I like to test drive my vehicles before I make a purchase. ;DDD
If you want to be abstinent, feel free. But I encourage srs sex ed (The kids that scares the shiz out of you, with gross warts and documentation of AIDs/HIV, and watching a baby being born) in our schools, and don't try to push it on people. We aren't immoral if we get it oooon

I find that third point roundly disturbing, as it seems to say that you would be willing to not be with someone you love because they, on their first performance, did not satisfy you. This means that, for you, sex is more important than a relationship based on love.

Also, encouraging abstinence does not mean you believe all people who get married stay married. It is a means of education to something beyond pure mechanics; ethics, morality, decency, whatever you wish to style it.

[Mauled by angry kittens]

Salyxas

Kudos, PhantomRain.

As far as I'm concerned, you are not shallow like the 75% of society that are, and those people couldn't give a damn about this important topic, but they give a damn about getting laid (And seriously, getting laid isn't a big deal. Hence "shallow".).

Just to let you know, most of the "75%" you mentioned earlier aren't just in it to get laid. Many are truly in love but don't have the resources nor the time for a marriage. Some are still in school or need to get themselves embarked on a real career before they can even afford a wedding. Most people, even when they're married, aren't completely and absolutely sure that they'll be spending the rest of their lives with their spouse. Does all this mean that those two people who love each other aren't allowed to share pleasure and have intimacy between their bodies?

[cheetahtmss]

Riviera de la Mancha

cheetahtmss

I will not be abstinent. I assume I won't get married, either, and I'm not going through life a virgin.
My issues with abstinence:
1. People think it's the 'only thing' that can save us ohjebus, so they only teach it. Then kids don't get it, and go do it anyway. I've been to a lot of schools, and in every school, about 5% of the girls get pregnant. And when I go to a school with sex ed that doesn't only include abstinence, it's like less than 1%.
2. Just because you get married, it doesn't mean you're going to STAY married. And besides, I fear that people who believe in abstinence only will rush into marriage. Yeah, I've seen it happen.
3. I like to test drive my vehicles before I make a purchase. ;DDD
If you want to be abstinent, feel free. But I encourage srs sex ed (The kids that scares the shiz out of you, with gross warts and documentation of AIDs/HIV, and watching a baby being born) in our schools, and don't try to push it on people. We aren't immoral if we get it oooon

I find that third point roundly disturbing, as it seems to say that you would be willing to not be with someone you love because they, on their first performance, did not satisfy you. This means that, for you, sex is more important than a relationship based on love.

Also, encouraging abstinence does not mean you believe all people who get married stay married. It is a means of education to something beyond pure mechanics; ethics, morality, decency, whatever you wish to style it.

Can the ED not take a joke? Holy crap.

And if you're just going to get married and divorced and married and divorced, what's the point of being abstinent? I know plenty of people who've been married, abstinent, and have STD's/STI's/unwanted pregnancies and plenty of people who are NOT abstinent and have none of that. Because they take precautions, while the others didn't, because they were married and thought it was okay not to take precautions, and the others actually used their damn head.
People need to be TAUGHT, that's my whole point.

[Mauled by angry kittens]

Riviera de la Mancha

cheetahtmss

I will not be abstinent. I assume I won't get married, either, and I'm not going through life a virgin.
My issues with abstinence:
1. People think it's the 'only thing' that can save us ohjebus, so they only teach it. Then kids don't get it, and go do it anyway. I've been to a lot of schools, and in every school, about 5% of the girls get pregnant. And when I go to a school with sex ed that doesn't only include abstinence, it's like less than 1%.
2. Just because you get married, it doesn't mean you're going to STAY married. And besides, I fear that people who believe in abstinence only will rush into marriage. Yeah, I've seen it happen.
3. I like to test drive my vehicles before I make a purchase. ;DDD
If you want to be abstinent, feel free. But I encourage srs sex ed (The kids that scares the shiz out of you, with gross warts and documentation of AIDs/HIV, and watching a baby being born) in our schools, and don't try to push it on people. We aren't immoral if we get it oooon

I find that third point roundly disturbing, as it seems to say that you would be willing to not be with someone you love because they, on their first performance, did not satisfy you. This means that, for you, sex is more important than a relationship based on love.

Also, encouraging abstinence does not mean you believe all people who get married stay married. It is a means of education to something beyond pure mechanics; ethics, morality, decency, whatever you wish to style it.

I agree with you. However, I would argue that sexual education should cover all of those and not attempt to force abstinence on our students. If we try to suffocate sex out of teens by shoving abstinence down their throats and do not provide the means for safer sex and the resources to consult in case something does go wrong, you are going to have much more unprotected sex and many more teenage pregnancies and STD cases. You aren't necessarily gonna see less sex. By teaching our kids everything, we are protecting them. (see my post about how condoms actually work more than 98% of the time when people know how to use them correctly.)

[Riviera de la Mancha]

Mauled by angry kittens

Riviera de la Mancha

cheetahtmss

I will not be abstinent. I assume I won't get married, either, and I'm not going through life a virgin.
My issues with abstinence:
1. People think it's the 'only thing' that can save us ohjebus, so they only teach it. Then kids don't get it, and go do it anyway. I've been to a lot of schools, and in every school, about 5% of the girls get pregnant. And when I go to a school with sex ed that doesn't only include abstinence, it's like less than 1%.
2. Just because you get married, it doesn't mean you're going to STAY married. And besides, I fear that people who believe in abstinence only will rush into marriage. Yeah, I've seen it happen.
3. I like to test drive my vehicles before I make a purchase. ;DDD
If you want to be abstinent, feel free. But I encourage srs sex ed (The kids that scares the shiz out of you, with gross warts and documentation of AIDs/HIV, and watching a baby being born) in our schools, and don't try to push it on people. We aren't immoral if we get it oooon

I find that third point roundly disturbing, as it seems to say that you would be willing to not be with someone you love because they, on their first performance, did not satisfy you. This means that, for you, sex is more important than a relationship based on love.

Also, encouraging abstinence does not mean you believe all people who get married stay married. It is a means of education to something beyond pure mechanics; ethics, morality, decency, whatever you wish to style it.

I agree with you. However, I would argue that sexual education should cover all of those and not attempt to force abstinence on our students. If we try to suffocate sex out of teens by shoving abstinence down their throats and do not the means for safer sex and the resources to consult in case something does go wrong, you are going to have much more unprotected sex and many more teenage pregnancies and STD cases. You aren't necessarily gonna see less sex. By teaching our kids everything, we are protecting them. (see my post about how condoms actually work more than 98% of the time when people know how to use them correctly.)

Any act of education is an effort in 'force'. A biology text book attempts to 'force' me, however benignly, to agree with science as to how water is formed in rain clouds.

Most abstinence programs dont omit safe sex practices.

[Riviera de la Mancha]

cheetahtmss

Riviera de la Mancha

cheetahtmss

I will not be abstinent. I assume I won't get married, either, and I'm not going through life a virgin.
My issues with abstinence:
1. People think it's the 'only thing' that can save us ohjebus, so they only teach it. Then kids don't get it, and go do it anyway. I've been to a lot of schools, and in every school, about 5% of the girls get pregnant. And when I go to a school with sex ed that doesn't only include abstinence, it's like less than 1%.
2. Just because you get married, it doesn't mean you're going to STAY married. And besides, I fear that people who believe in abstinence only will rush into marriage. Yeah, I've seen it happen.
3. I like to test drive my vehicles before I make a purchase. ;DDD
If you want to be abstinent, feel free. But I encourage srs sex ed (The kids that scares the shiz out of you, with gross warts and documentation of AIDs/HIV, and watching a baby being born) in our schools, and don't try to push it on people. We aren't immoral if we get it oooon

I find that third point roundly disturbing, as it seems to say that you would be willing to not be with someone you love because they, on their first performance, did not satisfy you. This means that, for you, sex is more important than a relationship based on love.

Also, encouraging abstinence does not mean you believe all people who get married stay married. It is a means of education to something beyond pure mechanics; ethics, morality, decency, whatever you wish to style it.

Can the ED not take a joke? Holy crap.

And if you're just going to get married and divorced and married and divorced, what's the point of being abstinent? I know plenty of people who've been married, abstinent, and have STD's/STI's/unwanted pregnancies and plenty of people who are NOT abstinent and have none of that. Because they take precautions, while the others didn't, because they were married and thought it was okay not to take precautions, and the others actually used their damn head.
People need to be TAUGHT, that's my whole point.

As a wise man once told me, 'Behind every joke is a glimpse as to the character of the person who makes them.'.

As I said, it is a mode of education as to how to view sex. It does not propose to be perfect, but to serve as a system of analysis. What is concerned with is more than one's physical health, but emotional/spiritual/personal/intellectual/ethical health, which ever you prefer.

I agree; people need to be taught. What they dont need is incomplete education under some guise of being non-secular.

[Mauled by angry kittens]

Riviera de la Mancha

Mauled by angry kittens

Riviera de la Mancha

cheetahtmss

I will not be abstinent. I assume I won't get married, either, and I'm not going through life a virgin.
My issues with abstinence:
1. People think it's the 'only thing' that can save us ohjebus, so they only teach it. Then kids don't get it, and go do it anyway. I've been to a lot of schools, and in every school, about 5% of the girls get pregnant. And when I go to a school with sex ed that doesn't only include abstinence, it's like less than 1%.
2. Just because you get married, it doesn't mean you're going to STAY married. And besides, I fear that people who believe in abstinence only will rush into marriage. Yeah, I've seen it happen.
3. I like to test drive my vehicles before I make a purchase. ;DDD
If you want to be abstinent, feel free. But I encourage srs sex ed (The kids that scares the shiz out of you, with gross warts and documentation of AIDs/HIV, and watching a baby being born) in our schools, and don't try to push it on people. We aren't immoral if we get it oooon

I find that third point roundly disturbing, as it seems to say that you would be willing to not be with someone you love because they, on their first performance, did not satisfy you. This means that, for you, sex is more important than a relationship based on love.

Also, encouraging abstinence does not mean you believe all people who get married stay married. It is a means of education to something beyond pure mechanics; ethics, morality, decency, whatever you wish to style it.

I agree with you. However, I would argue that sexual education should cover all of those and not attempt to force abstinence on our students. If we try to suffocate sex out of teens by shoving abstinence down their throats and do not the means for safer sex and the resources to consult in case something does go wrong, you are going to have much more unprotected sex and many more teenage pregnancies and STD cases. You aren't necessarily gonna see less sex. By teaching our kids everything, we are protecting them. (see my post about how condoms actually work more than 98% of the time when people know how to use them correctly.)

Any act of education is an effort in 'force'. A biology text book attempts to 'force' me, however benignly, to agree with science as to how water is formed in rain clouds.

Most abstinence programs dont omit safe sex practices.

Well, being UU, I got OWL (Our Whole Lives) which is a sexual education program through my church that covers everything from contraception to pleasure to good relationship skills. After going through that and then seeing school sexual education classes be, to summarize, "these are the methods of contraception, none of them are 100% effective except for abstinence. There you go, kids, be sure to check out everybodysdoingit.com!", I find that our students are hardly taught anything at all through the schools.

[The_Broken_Angel_Of_Time]

I am strongly agains abstinance only education. My highschool had an abstinance only education progam, and well, it sort of failed because most of the freshman coming into the school were already screwing xd

HOWEVER, that doesn't mean I'm against abstinance in general. If you feel it's right for you, go right a head. I could really care less. Myself on the other hand don't plan on getting married any time soon (or at all, for that matter) so I'm going to screw my boyfriend when I'm good, ready and on birth control.

I say that abstinance should be encouraged (as in, saying that the only 100% way not to get prego or STDs is by not sleeping around and commiting to someone) but birth control should be taught about and explained how to be properly used (EX: putting a condom on a banana)