A Challenge to Creationists (worth >11,000,000 gold!)

[geodesic42]

TheAlmightyBeanDip

Jaaten Syric

TheAlmightyBeanDip

You can use the theory about the 9th dimension to prove that there is a probability that there may be a God out there, however the 9th dimension theory isn't really all well established either...

If by 'not that well established' you mean 'nonexistent' assuming you're referring to the gibberish devoid of any scientific backing I think you are... What does this have to do with our challenge to present documented, falsifiable evidence corroborating creationists' claims again?

I edited the previous post to include a video about the 10th dimension (9th was a typo).

Basically, once you get passed to the 7th or 8th dimension or so (don't have time to check again) you eventually get to the point where you make many parallel universes containing many things that could happen to any universe.

Because of this probability, one universe can indeed have a God (or not).

Wha?

It's actually the 26th dimension - I was born in the 25th and all the inferior dimensions to mine contained no deity...

Also, I've extensively looked at the natural extensions of 3+1 dimensional physics to arbitrary dimensions and I must say I've never seen anything like a deity pop up at any dimension...

[A Confused Iguana]

TheAlmightyBeanDip

You can use the theory about the 10th dimension to prove that there is a probability that there may be a God out there, however the 10th dimension theory isn't really all well established either...

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A thousand curses upon Bryanton's house for that perennial rubbish.

[A Confused Iguana]

geodesic42

It's actually the 26th dimension - I was born in the 25th and all the inferior dimensions to mine contained no deity...

How do you cope with all these fermions about?

[TheAlmightyBeanDip]

A Confused Iguana

TheAlmightyBeanDip

You can use the theory about the 10th dimension to prove that there is a probability that there may be a God out there, however the 10th dimension theory isn't really all well established either...

Video

A thousand curses upon Bryanton's house for that perennial rubbish.

I've just mentioned it because under those circumstances, there may be a God in some other universe or maybe in our own.

[geodesic42]

A Confused Iguana

geodesic42

It's actually the 26th dimension - I was born in the 25th and all the inferior dimensions to mine contained no deity...

How do you cope with all these fermions about?

Supersymmetry...

Edit: Best-copout-ever. >.<

[Jaaten Syric]

TheAlmightyBeanDip

I edited the previous post to include a video about the 10th dimension (9th was a typo).

Yeah, it is the mass of unscientific gibberish I thought it was. Makes for mildly entertaining philosophy, but all science falls out the window right at about the point where the narrator claims 'According to physics, particles collapse out of a wave due to the probability of us observing them' or something very like it...

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Basically, once you get passed to the 7th or 8th dimension or so (don't have time to check again) you eventually get to the point where you make many parallel universes containing many things that could happen to any universe.

Which has...what relevance to the topic at hand? Even assuming the author's position is valid, we are discussing evidence existent in this universe. Whether or not creationism is a well researched and respected field of study in a hypothetical parallel universe means ******** if the rules and evidence don't stack up in the observable one we currently inhabit.

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Because of this probability, one universe can indeed have a God (or not).

Which has...nothing to do with the argument posed.

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[Jaaten Syric]

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Provide valid, scientific evidence for Creationism.

To be as generous as possible, we will define "Creationism" as loosely as can be reasonably allowed.

As such, for the purposes of this thread, Creationism will be defined such that our universe (or life therein) was intentionally created by an higher, intelligent power.

I believe that not one or the other happened, creationism or evolution, but BOTH. And I can prove it, using logic.

The sun was created on the 4th day, but there had supposedly been 4 days before that. We measure days as one rotation of the earth in relation to the sun, from sunrise to sunset. But, before the 4th day, since there was no sun, how long was a day? How long did it truly take God to create?
How many of our years are in one of God's days? Each of the days before the fourth could have been millions of years in time the way we measure, thus making evolution and creation co-inside with each other.

[TheAlmightyBeanDip]

Jaaten Syric

TheAlmightyBeanDip

I edited the previous post to include a video about the 10th dimension (9th was a typo).

Yeah, it is the mass of unscientific gibberish I thought it was. Makes for mildly entertaining philosophy, but all science falls out the window right at about the point where the narrator claims 'According to physics, particles collapse out of a wave due to the probability of us observing them' or something very like it...

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Basically, once you get passed to the 7th or 8th dimension or so (don't have time to check again) you eventually get to the point where you make many parallel universes containing many things that could happen to any universe.

Which has...what relevance to the topic at hand? Even assuming the author's position is valid, we are discussing evidence existent in this universe. Whether or not creationism is a well researched and respected field of study in a hypothetical parallel universe means ******** if the rules and evidence don't stack up in the observable one we currently inhabit.

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Because of this probability, one universe can indeed have a God (or not).

Which has...nothing to do with the argument posed.

Our universe has a probability (under this theory) of having a God. That's the relevancy of what I'm proposing. According to this theory, at around the 7th or 8th dimension, you start creating multiple universes (I believe the video called it "infinities" wink . Within those amounts of infinities, our Universe is contained. However, the same thing can be said about an infinity that God created. Given that, one could say that there is a chance that our very universe (infinity) is the same one that God (another probability in an infinity) is in.

Like I said, I can't prove empirically that a God does exist in this Universe, but under such a theory a God may exist in our Universe, or possibly in another, and that same God created our Universe and reigns upon it.

So yes, it does hold some relevancy to it. Either way I'm just throwing ideas around, so the hostile attitude really isn't needed.

[Jaaten Syric]

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I believe that not one or the other happened, creationism or evolution, but BOTH. And I can prove it, using logic.

The sun was created on the 4th day, but there had supposedly been 4 days before that. We measure days as one rotation of the earth in relation to the sun, from sunrise to sunset. But, before the 4th day, since there was no sun, how long was a day? How long did it truly take God to create?
How many of our years are in one of God's days? Each of the days before the fourth could have been millions of years in time the way we measure, thus making evolution and creation co-inside with each other.

Except for the part where the Hebrew word 'Yom' means, explicitly, a 24-hour day and that this is a giant argument from ignorance/non sequitur...

[Vicar_of_Sagacity]

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Provide valid, scientific evidence for Creationism.

To be as generous as possible, we will define "Creationism" as loosely as can be reasonably allowed.

As such, for the purposes of this thread, Creationism will be defined such that our universe (or life therein) was intentionally created by an higher, intelligent power.

I believe that not one or the other happened, creationism or evolution, but BOTH. And I can prove it, using logic.

The sun was created on the 4th day, but there had supposedly been 4 days before that. We measure days as one rotation of the earth in relation to the sun, from sunrise to sunset. But, before the 4th day, since there was no sun, how long was a day? How long did it truly take God to create?
How many of our years are in one of God's days? Each of the days before the fourth could have been millions of years in time the way we measure, thus making evolution and creation co-inside with each other.

So God is an element of the universe then? After all time is a relational dimension in our universe, so for God to have "day's" that pass, then God must be within the universe, which would seem to make it rather difficult for God to "make" the universe. Do you not agree?

[Vicar_of_Sagacity]

TheAlmightyBeanDip

Jaaten Syric

TheAlmightyBeanDip

I edited the previous post to include a video about the 10th dimension (9th was a typo).

Yeah, it is the mass of unscientific gibberish I thought it was. Makes for mildly entertaining philosophy, but all science falls out the window right at about the point where the narrator claims 'According to physics, particles collapse out of a wave due to the probability of us observing them' or something very like it...

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Basically, once you get passed to the 7th or 8th dimension or so (don't have time to check again) you eventually get to the point where you make many parallel universes containing many things that could happen to any universe.

Which has...what relevance to the topic at hand? Even assuming the author's position is valid, we are discussing evidence existent in this universe. Whether or not creationism is a well researched and respected field of study in a hypothetical parallel universe means ******** if the rules and evidence don't stack up in the observable one we currently inhabit.

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Because of this probability, one universe can indeed have a God (or not).

Which has...nothing to do with the argument posed.

Our universe has a probability (under this theory) of having a God. That's the relevancy of what I'm proposing. According to this theory, at around the 7th or 8th dimension, you start creating multiple universes (I believe the video called it "infinities" wink . Within those amounts of infinities, our Universe is contained. However, the same thing can be said about an infinity that God created. Given that, one could say that there is a chance that our very universe (infinity) is the same one that God (another probability in an infinity) is in.

Like I said, I can't prove empirically that a God does exist in this Universe, but under such a theory a God may exist in our Universe, or possibly in another, and that same God created our Universe and reigns upon it.

So yes, it does hold some relevancy to it. Either way I'm just throwing ideas around, so the hostile attitude really isn't needed.

Is there some definition by which we can define "God". I know of the general stereotypes that people use to create am image of what God is, but really is "God"?

[TheAlmightyBeanDip]

Vicar_of_Sagacity

TheAlmightyBeanDip

Jaaten Syric

TheAlmightyBeanDip

I edited the previous post to include a video about the 10th dimension (9th was a typo).

Yeah, it is the mass of unscientific gibberish I thought it was. Makes for mildly entertaining philosophy, but all science falls out the window right at about the point where the narrator claims 'According to physics, particles collapse out of a wave due to the probability of us observing them' or something very like it...

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Basically, once you get passed to the 7th or 8th dimension or so (don't have time to check again) you eventually get to the point where you make many parallel universes containing many things that could happen to any universe.

Which has...what relevance to the topic at hand? Even assuming the author's position is valid, we are discussing evidence existent in this universe. Whether or not creationism is a well researched and respected field of study in a hypothetical parallel universe means ******** if the rules and evidence don't stack up in the observable one we currently inhabit.

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Because of this probability, one universe can indeed have a God (or not).

Which has...nothing to do with the argument posed.

Our universe has a probability (under this theory) of having a God. That's the relevancy of what I'm proposing. According to this theory, at around the 7th or 8th dimension, you start creating multiple universes (I believe the video called it "infinities" wink . Within those amounts of infinities, our Universe is contained. However, the same thing can be said about an infinity that God created. Given that, one could say that there is a chance that our very universe (infinity) is the same one that God (another probability in an infinity) is in.

Like I said, I can't prove empirically that a God does exist in this Universe, but under such a theory a God may exist in our Universe, or possibly in another, and that same God created our Universe and reigns upon it.

So yes, it does hold some relevancy to it. Either way I'm just throwing ideas around, so the hostile attitude really isn't needed.

Is there some definition by which we can define "God". I know of the general stereotypes that people use to create am image of what God is, but really is "God"?

God is supposed to be an almighty being of great power and judgement. Some think he's omnibenevolent, others not.

[Jaaten Syric]

TheAlmightyBeanDip

Our universe has a probability (under this theory) of having a God.

Which isn't what is being asked.

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That's the relevancy of what I'm proposing.

...None?

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According to this theory, at around the 7th or 8th dimension, you start creating multiple universes (I believe the video called it "infinities" wink . Within those amounts of infinities, our Universe is contained. However, the same thing can be said about an infinity that God created. Given that, one could say that there is a chance that our very universe (infinity) is the same one that God (another probability in an infinity) is in.

Again, this has absolutely no relevance to the question posed, and fails the tests required even if it did.

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Like I said, I can't prove empirically that a God does exist in this Universe,

Which isn't what is being asked, nor is there anything beyond a massive argument from ignorance supporting it.

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but under such a theory a God may exist in our Universe, or possibly in another, and that same God created our Universe and reigns upon it.

Holy non sequitur Batman!

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So yes, it does hold some relevancy to it.

No, really. It doesn't. Some quack believes that given that there are infinite possible alternative universes, that there is some possibility of a creation event occurring is not only unfalsifiable, but completely unrelated to the question being asked. Whether or not an omnipotent deity exists and spawned the 'universe' in a hypothetical parallel reality, hell, whether or not that same deity exists in the one being discussed here means precisely bollocks if you can't connect it to evidence supporting creationism here.

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Either way I'm just throwing ideas around, so the hostile attitude really isn't needed.

Comes with the territory, and this is exceedingly mild by my standards.