Martial Arts Community Thread

Do you know your martial arts lineage? Explain in a post.

Yep	66.7%	[ 12 ]
Nup	22.2%	[ 4 ]
line-what?	11.1%	[ 2 ]
Total Votes:			[ 18 ]

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goingd

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Kilo of the Shadows

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ugh, some guy just applied to my guild claiming to be 'self taught' in martial arts

What's wrong with being 'self-taught'?

@Goingd: Regarding the noisy kid, most parents nowadyas have it in their heads that 'disciplining' their children is harmful to their well-being. Now I don't know about you, but when I was out of line I got smacked, and I turned out alright. About how old are talking, anyway? If he's like eight or nine, I can cut him some lack, but if he's in his early teens...

how can you teach yourself, what you don't know? how can you learn from a teacher that does not have the knowledge? it's a giant hippocracy and oxymoron of the highest degree.

you can learn philosophy out of a book, you can learn martial arts history from the internet, you can learn a language from a dvd/cd rom, but some thing like a martial art can not be learned with out a knowledgeable teacher.
most people can't even learn the above stated things with out a teacher. being self taught in any thing, takes a level of genius that is very rare. i have been studying different subjects myself currently, but i understand that i am only just grasping the most basic of the basic principles (i do not fool myself into thinking i have that level of genius required to truly understand something with out a teacher to explain it.)

I do not disagree. Understanding the martial arts requires teaching. A major argument is that "someone had to teach themselves at some point." However, the martial arts is something that evolved over a long period of time. I do not believe someone was personally enlightened with fighting ability.

Somewhere down the line in our path though, we must become our own teachers and learn for ourselves what is best for us. We can never allow ourselves to stop learning from others, but only we can set our own path.

ur right, my 'self taught' ninjistu friend said that to me once, so what i said to him is when you have spent decades fighting at least, then i'll agree you can teach yourself. since after all, as you said these arts were (in most cases) developed over at least 100 yrs, multiple people put in ideas, and the those who used ideas that didn't worked, died...i don't know many people that are willing to take that risk to find out if their 'style' is effective. if some one challenged me to a fight where i could die, i would be completely confident in my training.

[goingd]

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goingd

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Kilo of the Shadows

sekchi-toguchi

ugh, some guy just applied to my guild claiming to be 'self taught' in martial arts

What's wrong with being 'self-taught'?

@Goingd: Regarding the noisy kid, most parents nowadyas have it in their heads that 'disciplining' their children is harmful to their well-being. Now I don't know about you, but when I was out of line I got smacked, and I turned out alright. About how old are talking, anyway? If he's like eight or nine, I can cut him some lack, but if he's in his early teens...

how can you teach yourself, what you don't know? how can you learn from a teacher that does not have the knowledge? it's a giant hippocracy and oxymoron of the highest degree.

you can learn philosophy out of a book, you can learn martial arts history from the internet, you can learn a language from a dvd/cd rom, but some thing like a martial art can not be learned with out a knowledgeable teacher.
most people can't even learn the above stated things with out a teacher. being self taught in any thing, takes a level of genius that is very rare. i have been studying different subjects myself currently, but i understand that i am only just grasping the most basic of the basic principles (i do not fool myself into thinking i have that level of genius required to truly understand something with out a teacher to explain it.)

I do not disagree. Understanding the martial arts requires teaching. A major argument is that "someone had to teach themselves at some point." However, the martial arts is something that evolved over a long period of time. I do not believe someone was personally enlightened with fighting ability.

Somewhere down the line in our path though, we must become our own teachers and learn for ourselves what is best for us. We can never allow ourselves to stop learning from others, but only we can set our own path.

ur right, my 'self taught' ninjistu friend said that to me once, so what i said to him is when you have spent decades fighting at least, then i'll agree you can teach yourself. since after all, as you said these arts were (in most cases) developed over at least 100 yrs, multiple people put in ideas, and the those who used ideas that didn't worked, died...i don't know many people that are willing to take that risk to find out if their 'style' is effective. if some one challenged me to a fight where i could die, i would be completely confident in my training.

I have no problem with picking up ideas from sources such as books and videos, but someone just cannot learn an art from them. Until the techniques are demonstrated on you and in front of you, and until an instructor has corrected your execution you just cannot comprehend the style.

[Kilo of the Shadows]

goingd

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goingd

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Kilo of the Shadows

sekchi-toguchi

ugh, some guy just applied to my guild claiming to be 'self taught' in martial arts

What's wrong with being 'self-taught'?

@Goingd: Regarding the noisy kid, most parents nowadyas have it in their heads that 'disciplining' their children is harmful to their well-being. Now I don't know about you, but when I was out of line I got smacked, and I turned out alright. About how old are talking, anyway? If he's like eight or nine, I can cut him some lack, but if he's in his early teens...

how can you teach yourself, what you don't know? how can you learn from a teacher that does not have the knowledge? it's a giant hippocracy and oxymoron of the highest degree.

you can learn philosophy out of a book, you can learn martial arts history from the internet, you can learn a language from a dvd/cd rom, but some thing like a martial art can not be learned with out a knowledgeable teacher.
most people can't even learn the above stated things with out a teacher. being self taught in any thing, takes a level of genius that is very rare. i have been studying different subjects myself currently, but i understand that i am only just grasping the most basic of the basic principles (i do not fool myself into thinking i have that level of genius required to truly understand something with out a teacher to explain it.)

I do not disagree. Understanding the martial arts requires teaching. A major argument is that "someone had to teach themselves at some point." However, the martial arts is something that evolved over a long period of time. I do not believe someone was personally enlightened with fighting ability.

Somewhere down the line in our path though, we must become our own teachers and learn for ourselves what is best for us. We can never allow ourselves to stop learning from others, but only we can set our own path.

ur right, my 'self taught' ninjistu friend said that to me once, so what i said to him is when you have spent decades fighting at least, then i'll agree you can teach yourself. since after all, as you said these arts were (in most cases) developed over at least 100 yrs, multiple people put in ideas, and the those who used ideas that didn't worked, died...i don't know many people that are willing to take that risk to find out if their 'style' is effective. if some one challenged me to a fight where i could die, i would be completely confident in my training.

I have no problem with picking up ideas from sources such as books and videos, but someone just cannot learn an art from them. Until the techniques are demonstrated on you and in front of you, and until an instructor has corrected your execution you just cannot comprehend the style.

I don't know, I know people who taught themselves to play the guitar and they're are pretty good. Granted, it took them a few years to attain the skill, but through dedication they did it. I'd think this could also carry over to fighting arts. With both, a teacher would definately make the time it takes to learn the skill much quicker, but it's not impossible without them.

Ofcourse, it also depends onto what Art they claim to be self-taught in. If someone approached me and said they were a self-taught street fighter I'd take their word for it. But if they said they taught themselves the 5 animal forms of Kung Fu, I'd definately be skeptical. So really, I think it depends on more what someone claims to be self-taught in, than that they are self-taught. Although, using the street fighter example is alittle iffy, depending on if you count opponents as teachers (and by opponents, I don't me a friendly sparring session with a friend, I mean some punk who wants to mess you up).

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Kilo of the Shadows

goingd

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goingd

sekchi-toguchi

how can you teach yourself, what you don't know? how can you learn from a teacher that does not have the knowledge? it's a giant hippocracy and oxymoron of the highest degree.

you can learn philosophy out of a book, you can learn martial arts history from the internet, you can learn a language from a dvd/cd rom, but some thing like a martial art can not be learned with out a knowledgeable teacher.
most people can't even learn the above stated things with out a teacher. being self taught in any thing, takes a level of genius that is very rare. i have been studying different subjects myself currently, but i understand that i am only just grasping the most basic of the basic principles (i do not fool myself into thinking i have that level of genius required to truly understand something with out a teacher to explain it.)

I do not disagree. Understanding the martial arts requires teaching. A major argument is that "someone had to teach themselves at some point." However, the martial arts is something that evolved over a long period of time. I do not believe someone was personally enlightened with fighting ability.

Somewhere down the line in our path though, we must become our own teachers and learn for ourselves what is best for us. We can never allow ourselves to stop learning from others, but only we can set our own path.

ur right, my 'self taught' ninjistu friend said that to me once, so what i said to him is when you have spent decades fighting at least, then i'll agree you can teach yourself. since after all, as you said these arts were (in most cases) developed over at least 100 yrs, multiple people put in ideas, and the those who used ideas that didn't worked, died...i don't know many people that are willing to take that risk to find out if their 'style' is effective. if some one challenged me to a fight where i could die, i would be completely confident in my training.

I have no problem with picking up ideas from sources such as books and videos, but someone just cannot learn an art from them. Until the techniques are demonstrated on you and in front of you, and until an instructor has corrected your execution you just cannot comprehend the style.

I don't know, I know people who taught themselves to play the guitar and they're are pretty good. Granted, it took them a few years to attain the skill, but through dedication they did it. I'd think this could also carry over to fighting arts. With both, a teacher would definately make the time it takes to learn the skill much quicker, but it's not impossible without them.

Ofcourse, it also depends onto what Art they claim to be self-taught in. If someone approached me and said they were a self-taught street fighter I'd take their word for it. But if they said they taught themselves the 5 animal forms of Kung Fu, I'd definately be skeptical. So really, I think it depends on more what someone claims to be self-taught in, than that they are self-taught. Although, using the street fighter example is alittle iffy, depending on if you count opponents as teachers (and by opponents, I don't me a friendly sparring session with a friend, I mean some punk who wants to mess you up).

theres a difference between teaching yourself an instrument, just have a good ear and learn to read music (mental things are much easier to learn than physical) ya a self taught street fighter is a brawler, but some one who can teach themselves proper technique is extremely rare. There are things you just can't learn with out the aid of a teacher. oh and he claimed to be self taught 'in the basics of multiple styles' but seeing as most people don't become efficient w/ the basics until black belt, that is a claim to be a self taught black belt in multiple styles.

[goingd]

I cannot imagine a guitarist who can truly master the instrument without some kind of instruction. There is though the rare individual who can learn something, and expand on it in their own light. That, really, is how we have so many different styles. No one said one day, "I am going to completely change the way this is done and call it something new. We grow gradually through innovation taken in steps. No one today can say for sure where or when the martial arts we trace our histories to actually started. We have to understand though that the ones who came before us had their teachers, and perhaps there was that one individual way back when or was gifted from the heavens with innate and incredible ability to fight, but he or she is none of us today.

I will agree though that a person can learn to fight on the streets (and I mean half way hardcore on the streets, not just a few punks), but there will be some genuine lack of structure that widens the gap from perfection.

[Furious Intensity]

This seems like as good a place as any to ask this. Anybody got any tips for a shorter light heavyweight? I'm 5'9 and it sucks that everyone I spar with is like 6 feet+. I've been trying to work on my foot work, leg kicks, counter punching and wrestling. But it never seems enough. The easiest thing to do, cut down to middle or welter?

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Maniacle Intentions

This seems like as good a place as any to ask this. Anybody got any tips for a shorter light heavyweight? I'm 5'9 and it sucks that everyone I spar with is like 6 feet+. I've been trying to work on my foot work, leg kicks, counter punching and wrestling. But it never seems enough. The easiest thing to do, cut down to middle or welter?

even though i rarely fight some one taller or w/ a longer reach than me, my advice would be to move to their outside (basically to the side of them instead of straight on) and do what you want to do from there, attacking from their outside cuts their counters down dramatically. and i assume you're talking about some sort of MMA league/gym.

some thing i do no matter what because it works, is slide to the side, and either stomp the knee or round house the knee, because theres not much you can do to stop it besides dodging. to block it you would have to bend over and take away your own balance, pick your leg up out of the way, and i can just drive through to the other leg, so any thing short of taking a full step out of the way leaves them open, and even if they do move out of the way, you have taken the initiative and have the momentum of the fight behind you at that point.

[The Highway to Hell]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTP5o8jCs7w&feature=channel


anybody know how many of this were made?

[goingd]

Osamas Informer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTP5o8jCs7w&feature=channel


anybody know how many of this were made?

Nooo idea.

[CYBizR0llin--KissMySass]

I practice Tae Kwon Do.

[goingd]

CYBizR0llin--KissMySass

I practice Tae Kwon Do.

Mmme too...

[CYBizR0llin--KissMySass]

goingd

CYBizR0llin--KissMySass

I practice Tae Kwon Do.

Mmme too...

sweet. I'm not that high.
D:

[goingd]

CYBizR0llin--KissMySass

goingd

CYBizR0llin--KissMySass

I practice Tae Kwon Do.

Mmme too...

sweet. I'm not that high.
D:

Keep striving.

[CYBizR0llin--KissMySass]

goingd

CYBizR0llin--KissMySass

goingd

CYBizR0llin--KissMySass

I practice Tae Kwon Do.

Mmme too...

sweet. I'm not that high.
D:

Keep striving.

I Am & I Will...lol
I Think About Around 2011 I Will Test For Black Belt.

[Carsayzlyum]

2 years away isn't that bad at all.
It's like they say, A black belt is just a white belt that never gave up.