Fetal_Mind
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Ven Loki Loraine
Lucifer the Corrupt
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Crowley's been super useless for the last two seasons, and I'm pretty much tired of seeing his useless, crusty white a** on my screen. This cast is already whiter than classic Hollywood, getting rid of Crowley would not hurt. He's, like, the most useless leader of Hell, Abaddon would have been so much better at ruling and turning Hell back into its former glory.
Dean still isn't on good terms with me, not with that s**t he pulled last season. Like, I understand why he did it and the position he was in, but that still doesn't make it anymore okay about what he did and his reasoning for it. As to quote Orange is the New Black, "love is not an excuse." I've fought with so many abuse apologists about this, I'm just so done. And it's nice to see he's still on it this season.
Sam still takes everyone's s**t and doesn't really protest, he deserves so much better, he needs a break from all this.
Dean still isn't on good terms with me, not with that s**t he pulled last season. Like, I understand why he did it and the position he was in, but that still doesn't make it anymore okay about what he did and his reasoning for it. As to quote Orange is the New Black, "love is not an excuse." I've fought with so many abuse apologists about this, I'm just so done. And it's nice to see he's still on it this season.
Sam still takes everyone's s**t and doesn't really protest, he deserves so much better, he needs a break from all this.
I 100% agree with all of this. Especially Dean, he hasn't been in my good graces since that bullshit with letting Gadreel posess Sam instead of letting Sam go. FFS, he could've finally had some peace! He's done enough! You selfish b*****d. *growls*. Sam does deserve better, and how many times has Dean kept him from getting it? Too many.
That quote. Perfect.
If he had just let Sam die (who honestly expected that just for one second?), that would have been the most ridiculous/laziest ending to a show ever and would have made everything that happened from season 3 onwards a joke.
Nah, doesn't work like that.
The issue at hand was Dean violating Sam's bodily autonomy and taking away his choice in the matter when he knew Sam would hate it, he know Sam wouldn't be okay with, so he was acknowledging his choice will have a negative impact, he spent months gaslighting Sam about the very real problems it brought, and in the end, justifying his decision to to do so and saying he would do it again.
People need to stop with, "well, Sam would have died!" because in doing so, you iundermine the very real abuse that has be spun into that situation, and in doing so, you take Dean's side in his thinking that he has the right to overrule Sam's decisions and choices if he doesn't like them.
Yes, Sam is alive, but at the cost of other people's live and Sam's bodily autonomy, all because Dean did refuse to let Sam die because of his fear of being alone, but that does not justify his actions, that does not excuse his actions, and replying with, "Sam would have died," does not make it anymore okay.
They both had agreed to move on if the other died, and Sam had done just that. to which Dean got angry about. Sam had also tried to bring him back in season four, to which Dean got angry about that, too. So, what is it? Is it only for Dean to make those decisions, is it only for Dean's convenience, disliking anyone who does the same actions as he does? It's one of Dean's hugest character flaws.
It would make sense, it's character development, and it addresses one of the facets of their codependency--it doesn't eliminate it (Sam and Dean need psychiatric intervention to even begin to address it). Sam and Dean learning to not destroy and wreck the world in order to bring each other back, it's lessening it, it's trying to minimize the destructive quality it has.
But the excuse, "Sam would have died," still doesn't hold a candle to what he did and needs to stop being used to justify Dean's horrendous actions toward Sam, while in the process, shames and belittles Sam's own internal struggles with Dean's decisions.
