Paranormal Activity

[Femme-Belle]

I was scared to death! My God! Call me a chicken-s**t of whatever, but i thought it was scary.

[guitargeekette]

In the beginning when I saw thanks to the families for letting us use this footage, i thought wow, so this is real. Then at the end, dedicated to Micah and Katie I was like is this really real. But I keep hearing it's all fiction, loosely based on a true story. Seeing her dragged off the bed, was by far the creepiest part to me.

It wasn't scary, it was just highly disturbing.

[countMalif]

I am fully aware the demonologist left the country. I am also fully aware that one doesn't need a consultant to advise going to a church in hopes to get an exorcism. perhaps you wouldn't think of that but in cases of people who believe they are being haunted the first thing that comes to mind is a church stare you can't say this is not something they just didn't think of when the entire time they were looking things up online and even buying books about demons.

once again. I'm going by what was given to me by the movie. not actual demon lore. if know about demon lore that's good for you, however. I'm going by the things I saw in this movie. the second visit from the consultant felt negative energy from the HOUSE not from the people who gave it off. they were two people filling the house up with negative energy. the consultant had advised them not to do this and gave them the possible solution to stop thinking of it so it would go away. so by that reasoning what would happen if you moved to another location filled with people not thinking of being haunted by this entity? if this was not the case why would the demon persuade the bf to stay in the house when it didn't matter where they went because they would still die?

even if NONE of this was the case running from the environment that is potentially dangerous is a normal reaction. staying in a potentially dangerous environment is not. regardless whether the demon was just as strong anywhere or in that place the first idea is to run. run somewhere far away in the belief you'll be safe if you do. staying because your girlfriend who was the first to want to stop all this and is now calm and has changed her mind would only result in FORCING her to leave for own safety. THAT is trying to protect your girlfriend. not sleeping in the same bed she was previously attacked on the night before stare

[countMalif]

Preston886

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Authenticity is not what I would call two people who obviously have a situation where someone (or rather something) has invaded their home and do little to nothing about things an example of that was when they actually saw what happened to that Ouiji board and did NOTHING afterwards. Something is causing vandalism in the house, they have proof of it and instead of moving out or consulting someone to do an exorcism they get advice and continue being victims. I call that horror victims with predictable endings stare

Moving out would do nothing. It followed her in the past, this isn't a typical haunting, and it has to do with the girlfriend, not her surroundings. People don't exactly have the means to up and move whenever they wish anyway, and she clearly stated in the movie that she doesn't want to bring the entity to the house of a friend or family member.

They tried consulting someone for an exorcism. That was the entire point of trying to contact the demonologist who happened to be out of town. They had every intention to go through with it when he was to return in a few short days. They also exhausted their efforts with the psychic who turned them down twice. This is a unique situation that doesn't reveal itself to be immediately dangerous until the situation is completely out of control. It's not like there's a ghost hotline, a devil 911 for them to call. I'd imagine it's pretty easy to swiftly exhaust the resources available to you, locally.

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For the sake of debate I'll go along with the rules of the movie and say it was pretty obvious that if they had moved to a place with less negative energy that was building up in the house they would've been safe (an example is how the demon has been on and off due to her moving to different locations.

How do you know it has anything to do with her surroundings and isn't simply the demon's timing of carrying out whatever it's clearly set on doing?

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her first house was burned down, then while going to college she moved into a new place. if she had stayed in one area she would've probably died earlier on in her life) A hospital would've been the first place I would've taken her after her out of body experience in the house. so both spiritually and health wise that would've been the best choice and a simple one at that stare

How do you know it wouldn't have followed her? How could a hospital save her body or soul or whatever from demonic possession? They weren't even entirely sure she WAS possessed. The first time it happened they thought she was walking in her sleep. The second time... well, that was that, and it was too late. I don't think either knew she was possessed at any time.

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as for me not paying attention. that's laughable seeing as during that movie I payed close enough attention to notice that the demon made his presence known in the hours of one o'clock and three o'clock a.m. (usually at 3 a.m.)

That's an obvious fact.

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not to mention most of the time he struck on an odd number day. as I mentioned earlier if she had just moved out of the house and into a place with more positive energy than none of the events would have happened.

How do you know that? Where at all did it clarify her moving had anything to do with staving off her death? Maybe, inevitably, that was something that could have been done and may have helped the situation. Instead of doing so, they wanted to wait the few days for the demonologist. And hey, the plan WOULD have been to leave the house anyway, at the boyfriend's frantic insistance. Unfortunately, it was a little late by then and the demon took advantage of the girl in her state of sleep.

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you can argue that it was due to the bf insisting on provoking the demon that made things happen but realistically speaking if a person who's been hunted by this thing all her life (she even mentions she's seen it with her very own eyes in the past) you would think she would have either been in a deranged state of mind all the time or have the common sense to just run away. at the very least she should've had more knowledge about her situation but that goes against the horror victim code stare

It was kind of obvious that she didn't think the entity was so severe that it could kill her, or progress to the point that it did. Previous experiences were a lot more vague... the old hag syndrome-like things she spoke of, seeing a shadow, etc., which countless people claim to have experienced. She DID take things very seriously, and felt that if provoking the demon stopped, it'd go away.. as it had done in the past. People balk at the thought of leaving their home. It takes a lot to leave something you've rooted yourself in behind, which makes sense. They likely would have left if the thing hadn't manipulated her into saying she wanted to say.

ANYWAY. You're entitled to your opinion and it's kind of pointless to debate on opinion alone, when it comes to whether a movie was good or not. I thought it was decent, you didn't, and that's pretty much all there is to it.

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as for the spiritual advisers. they're a dime a dozen who didn't bother to tell them anything useful. instead they were abandoned. besides this has been a problem her entire life. why wasn't there any real motivation to seek out EVERY possible solution?

A problem that always went away on its own. A problem that never progressed as drastically as it did in the movie. I don't think they've got an office full of demon-exorcists waiting on emergency call.

I enjoyed the way they handled things regardless. It'd have been pretty lame it they just chucked her in a hospital with a straight jacket or had a pretty, priest-chasing-bad-bad-demon-away ending. It was a movie shot in a week, a budget of $11,000 and met for a few scares. Nothing real heavy there, nothing mindblowing. I liked it and would certainly say it's worth a look.

No. they looked for consultation not exorcism. there was no talk of exorcism at all. exorcisms are performed by priests. no one even thought about contacting one but by going by your logic priests must be pretty rare as well. stare

as I said in my previous post I was going by the rules of the movie. The consultant they got advice from suggested they should not do anything to provoke the entity because that would be feeding it negative energy which makes it more powerful (the bf who did not take him seriously decided to disregard that statement) I'm going by something the movie itself wanted to point out.

I never said the demon wouldn't have followed her but it would have done less harm. it was already explained that a lot of negative energy was created in the house making the demon more powerful. once the girl was fully possessed she convinced the moronic bf to stay in the house (obviously showing the demon wanted them both to stay there or rather NEEDED them to)

my reasoning comes from things that happened in the movie and common sense. regardless if not moving would have no effect. Human reasoning would be to MOVE ANYWAY. Two people under the belief that they are haunted would make anyone not want to be in that house after being dragged out of your bed and bitten by an invisible force stare that's authentic to you? people sleeping in the same bed a demon is watching over? the bf was a day trader who completely owned that house. I think he does have the money to up and move as he pleases stare

You must have watched a completely different film than everyone else.

They showed the film clip of the exorcism of Diane(or was it Diana?). In the original screening you see the entire thing and I have to admit, there's a reason why they edited out of the theatrical release. Micah even tells Katie that they performed an exorcism on the girl and it only pissed it off even more and she died. Proof that they don't always go as planned. It's in both versions.

As for the authenticity, it seems legit. No one would run from bumps and thumps in the night. It might as well have been the house settling in for all they knew. It was just small objects misplaced, water running, lights turning on and off, and thumps and bumps. Could be a number of logical things.

Micah wanted to handle this thing as any other man would if something was threatening their girl. He wanted to help her and thought he was, human nature to defend your woman. Katie couldn't leave, if you remember the demon was always with her! Micah at the end wanted to leave, but it convinced him through Katie to stay because it was safe.

You're subjection of reality and authenticity is only blinded by what you would do and conceive as common sense AFTER having watched it.

the movie I watched only showed them looking at a website of the story of Diana and the bf stated that she died. they showed a picture of her but there was no "it got pissed off at her afterwords"

this isn't something I thought of after the movie it was DURING the movie. it was right after the moment she was dragged out of the bed and bitten that I began to think it's probably best that they get more drastic about this thing but to my suprise they actually slept into the same bed until finally that predictable ending came. I even said just before the ending caption came up "I bet she was never found again"

I agree that protecting his girl was supposed to be his priority but how does he do that when he has her sleeping in the same bed he knows a demon is attacking her on?

[dia-chan]

countMalif

I am fully aware the demonologist left the country. I am also fully aware that one doesn't need a consultant to advise going to a church in hopes to get an exorcism. perhaps you wouldn't think of that but in cases of people who believe they are being haunted the first thing that comes to mind is a church stare you can't say this is not something they just didn't think of when the entire time they were looking things up online and even buying books about demons.

once again. I'm going by what was given to me by the movie. not actual demon lore. if know about demon lore that's good for you, however. I'm going by the things I saw in this movie. the second visit from the consultant felt negative energy from the HOUSE not from the people who gave it off. they were two people filling the house up with negative energy. the consultant had advised them not to do this and gave them the possible solution to stop thinking of it so it would go away. so by that reasoning what would happen if you moved to another location filled with people not thinking of being haunted by this entity? if this was not the case why would the demon persuade the bf to stay in the house when it didn't matter where they went because they would still die?

even if NONE of this was the case running from the environment that is potentially dangerous is a normal reaction. staying in a potentially dangerous environment is not. regardless whether the demon was just as strong anywhere or in that place the first idea is to run. run somewhere far away in the belief you'll be safe if you do. staying because your girlfriend who was the first to want to stop all this and is now calm and has changed her mind would only result in FORCING her to leave for own safety. THAT is trying to protect your girlfriend. not sleeping in the same bed she was previously attacked on the night before stare

You didn't like the movie. Your reasoning doesn't align with mine or the few in here and that's just the way it is.

And yes, I remember, they did say the exorcism pissed the demon off even more.

Basically, you disagree with the way they handled a unique and crisis situation. They didn't react the way you say you would have which somehow makes their logic faulty, unauthentic, and predictable. Fortunately for myself and others it's what made the movie that much more enjoyable.

[dia-chan]

On your logic regarding the negative energy: It's following the girlfriend. You're on some weird slope of reasoning I can't even begin to follow. It does not say, in the movie, that moving will save her or help her. In fact, the psychic says it's stupid to provoke the demon, that there's a volatile presence he can't deal with, and that the need to consult the demonologist. That's it. How you got that they needed to move to be safe is something you manifested on your own and is not once stated in the movie and it's not "following the line of logic" if you come to that conclusion entirely on your own. That's just speculation. It's explicitly stated, more than once, that moving to another location isn't a viable option because it won't do a thing to keep her safe. It wants HER. Location has nothing to do with it.

[Preston886]

countMalif

Preston886

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Authenticity is not what I would call two people who obviously have a situation where someone (or rather something) has invaded their home and do little to nothing about things an example of that was when they actually saw what happened to that Ouiji board and did NOTHING afterwards. Something is causing vandalism in the house, they have proof of it and instead of moving out or consulting someone to do an exorcism they get advice and continue being victims. I call that horror victims with predictable endings stare

Moving out would do nothing. It followed her in the past, this isn't a typical haunting, and it has to do with the girlfriend, not her surroundings. People don't exactly have the means to up and move whenever they wish anyway, and she clearly stated in the movie that she doesn't want to bring the entity to the house of a friend or family member.

They tried consulting someone for an exorcism. That was the entire point of trying to contact the demonologist who happened to be out of town. They had every intention to go through with it when he was to return in a few short days. They also exhausted their efforts with the psychic who turned them down twice. This is a unique situation that doesn't reveal itself to be immediately dangerous until the situation is completely out of control. It's not like there's a ghost hotline, a devil 911 for them to call. I'd imagine it's pretty easy to swiftly exhaust the resources available to you, locally.

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For the sake of debate I'll go along with the rules of the movie and say it was pretty obvious that if they had moved to a place with less negative energy that was building up in the house they would've been safe (an example is how the demon has been on and off due to her moving to different locations.

How do you know it has anything to do with her surroundings and isn't simply the demon's timing of carrying out whatever it's clearly set on doing?

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her first house was burned down, then while going to college she moved into a new place. if she had stayed in one area she would've probably died earlier on in her life) A hospital would've been the first place I would've taken her after her out of body experience in the house. so both spiritually and health wise that would've been the best choice and a simple one at that stare

How do you know it wouldn't have followed her? How could a hospital save her body or soul or whatever from demonic possession? They weren't even entirely sure she WAS possessed. The first time it happened they thought she was walking in her sleep. The second time... well, that was that, and it was too late. I don't think either knew she was possessed at any time.

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as for me not paying attention. that's laughable seeing as during that movie I payed close enough attention to notice that the demon made his presence known in the hours of one o'clock and three o'clock a.m. (usually at 3 a.m.)

That's an obvious fact.

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not to mention most of the time he struck on an odd number day. as I mentioned earlier if she had just moved out of the house and into a place with more positive energy than none of the events would have happened.

How do you know that? Where at all did it clarify her moving had anything to do with staving off her death? Maybe, inevitably, that was something that could have been done and may have helped the situation. Instead of doing so, they wanted to wait the few days for the demonologist. And hey, the plan WOULD have been to leave the house anyway, at the boyfriend's frantic insistance. Unfortunately, it was a little late by then and the demon took advantage of the girl in her state of sleep.

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you can argue that it was due to the bf insisting on provoking the demon that made things happen but realistically speaking if a person who's been hunted by this thing all her life (she even mentions she's seen it with her very own eyes in the past) you would think she would have either been in a deranged state of mind all the time or have the common sense to just run away. at the very least she should've had more knowledge about her situation but that goes against the horror victim code stare

It was kind of obvious that she didn't think the entity was so severe that it could kill her, or progress to the point that it did. Previous experiences were a lot more vague... the old hag syndrome-like things she spoke of, seeing a shadow, etc., which countless people claim to have experienced. She DID take things very seriously, and felt that if provoking the demon stopped, it'd go away.. as it had done in the past. People balk at the thought of leaving their home. It takes a lot to leave something you've rooted yourself in behind, which makes sense. They likely would have left if the thing hadn't manipulated her into saying she wanted to say.

ANYWAY. You're entitled to your opinion and it's kind of pointless to debate on opinion alone, when it comes to whether a movie was good or not. I thought it was decent, you didn't, and that's pretty much all there is to it.

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as for the spiritual advisers. they're a dime a dozen who didn't bother to tell them anything useful. instead they were abandoned. besides this has been a problem her entire life. why wasn't there any real motivation to seek out EVERY possible solution?

A problem that always went away on its own. A problem that never progressed as drastically as it did in the movie. I don't think they've got an office full of demon-exorcists waiting on emergency call.

I enjoyed the way they handled things regardless. It'd have been pretty lame it they just chucked her in a hospital with a straight jacket or had a pretty, priest-chasing-bad-bad-demon-away ending. It was a movie shot in a week, a budget of $11,000 and met for a few scares. Nothing real heavy there, nothing mindblowing. I liked it and would certainly say it's worth a look.

No. they looked for consultation not exorcism. there was no talk of exorcism at all. exorcisms are performed by priests. no one even thought about contacting one but by going by your logic priests must be pretty rare as well. stare

as I said in my previous post I was going by the rules of the movie. The consultant they got advice from suggested they should not do anything to provoke the entity because that would be feeding it negative energy which makes it more powerful (the bf who did not take him seriously decided to disregard that statement) I'm going by something the movie itself wanted to point out.

I never said the demon wouldn't have followed her but it would have done less harm. it was already explained that a lot of negative energy was created in the house making the demon more powerful. once the girl was fully possessed she convinced the moronic bf to stay in the house (obviously showing the demon wanted them both to stay there or rather NEEDED them to)

my reasoning comes from things that happened in the movie and common sense. regardless if not moving would have no effect. Human reasoning would be to MOVE ANYWAY. Two people under the belief that they are haunted would make anyone not want to be in that house after being dragged out of your bed and bitten by an invisible force stare that's authentic to you? people sleeping in the same bed a demon is watching over? the bf was a day trader who completely owned that house. I think he does have the money to up and move as he pleases stare

You must have watched a completely different film than everyone else.

They showed the film clip of the exorcism of Diane(or was it Diana?). In the original screening you see the entire thing and I have to admit, there's a reason why they edited out of the theatrical release. Micah even tells Katie that they performed an exorcism on the girl and it only pissed it off even more and she died. Proof that they don't always go as planned. It's in both versions.

As for the authenticity, it seems legit. No one would run from bumps and thumps in the night. It might as well have been the house settling in for all they knew. It was just small objects misplaced, water running, lights turning on and off, and thumps and bumps. Could be a number of logical things.

Micah wanted to handle this thing as any other man would if something was threatening their girl. He wanted to help her and thought he was, human nature to defend your woman. Katie couldn't leave, if you remember the demon was always with her! Micah at the end wanted to leave, but it convinced him through Katie to stay because it was safe.

You're subjection of reality and authenticity is only blinded by what you would do and conceive as common sense AFTER having watched it.

the movie I watched only showed them looking at a website of the story of Diana and the bf stated that she died. they showed a picture of her but there was no "it got pissed off at her afterwords"

this isn't something I thought of after the movie it was DURING the movie. it was right after the moment she was dragged out of the bed and bitten that I began to think it's probably best that they get more drastic about this thing but to my suprise they actually slept into the same bed until finally that predictable ending came. I even said just before the ending caption came up "I bet she was never found again"

I agree that protecting his girl was supposed to be his priority but how does he do that when he has her sleeping in the same bed he knows a demon is attacking her on?

Watch the movie again as they're looking at the website he points out that the girl became possessed by a demon and they performed an exorcism. Katie later asks did it work and he says no, that sometimes it just pisses it off even more. Katie asks what happened and Micah says she died, exorcisms don't always work.

It's in both the theatrical and original screen version(the original screen version shows a bit more graphic video of the exorcism).

Also the demonologist wasn't out of the country, Katie merely stated they couldn't get in touch with him.

And where do you expect Katie and Micah to go? The demon has been following her since she was 8yrs old. It was her it wanted, always has. They state this several times throughout the film.

Also the theatrical ending was a real shocker, it was only cheapened though by Spielberg wanting to add that last minute shock. The part where Micah goes flying up the stairs and rag-dolled was unforeseen, except in the trailers. It's the build up to that moment that really gets you.

I suggest you watch the film again and keep your eyes and ears peeled this time.

[countMalif]

dia-chan

countMalif

I am fully aware the demonologist left the country. I am also fully aware that one doesn't need a consultant to advise going to a church in hopes to get an exorcism. perhaps you wouldn't think of that but in cases of people who believe they are being haunted the first thing that comes to mind is a church stare you can't say this is not something they just didn't think of when the entire time they were looking things up online and even buying books about demons.

once again. I'm going by what was given to me by the movie. not actual demon lore. if know about demon lore that's good for you, however. I'm going by the things I saw in this movie. the second visit from the consultant felt negative energy from the HOUSE not from the people who gave it off. they were two people filling the house up with negative energy. the consultant had advised them not to do this and gave them the possible solution to stop thinking of it so it would go away. so by that reasoning what would happen if you moved to another location filled with people not thinking of being haunted by this entity? if this was not the case why would the demon persuade the bf to stay in the house when it didn't matter where they went because they would still die?

even if NONE of this was the case running from the environment that is potentially dangerous is a normal reaction. staying in a potentially dangerous environment is not. regardless whether the demon was just as strong anywhere or in that place the first idea is to run. run somewhere far away in the belief you'll be safe if you do. staying because your girlfriend who was the first to want to stop all this and is now calm and has changed her mind would only result in FORCING her to leave for own safety. THAT is trying to protect your girlfriend. not sleeping in the same bed she was previously attacked on the night before stare

You didn't like the movie. Your reasoning doesn't align with mine or the few in here and that's just the way it is.

And yes, I remember, they did say the exorcism pissed the demon off even more.

Basically, you disagree with the way they handled a unique and crisis situation. They didn't react the way you say you would have which somehow makes their logic faulty, unauthentic, and predictable. Fortunately for myself and others it's what made the movie that much more enjoyable.

you're correct about me not liking the movie. however you're perception of me is wrong. you enjoying the movie is something I could care less about. I don't know you. In the same way you stated why you liked the movie I stated why I did not. There are plenty of people that enjoy certain movies, television, and music because it's relates to them. things that do not relate are often not liked.

and even if that was said in the movie that doesn't mean a person would just forfeit and not try consulting a priest.

me not agreeing with you seems to make you think my logic is faulty, so why point that out? you probably see this as something pointless because you assume I'm trying to change a person who enjoyed the movies mind but I'm merely doing the same thing everyone else is. stating my views and reasoning.

[countMalif]

Preston886

countMalif

Preston886

countMalif

dia-chan

Moving out would do nothing. It followed her in the past, this isn't a typical haunting, and it has to do with the girlfriend, not her surroundings. People don't exactly have the means to up and move whenever they wish anyway, and she clearly stated in the movie that she doesn't want to bring the entity to the house of a friend or family member.

They tried consulting someone for an exorcism. That was the entire point of trying to contact the demonologist who happened to be out of town. They had every intention to go through with it when he was to return in a few short days. They also exhausted their efforts with the psychic who turned them down twice. This is a unique situation that doesn't reveal itself to be immediately dangerous until the situation is completely out of control. It's not like there's a ghost hotline, a devil 911 for them to call. I'd imagine it's pretty easy to swiftly exhaust the resources available to you, locally.



How do you know it has anything to do with her surroundings and isn't simply the demon's timing of carrying out whatever it's clearly set on doing?



How do you know it wouldn't have followed her? How could a hospital save her body or soul or whatever from demonic possession? They weren't even entirely sure she WAS possessed. The first time it happened they thought she was walking in her sleep. The second time... well, that was that, and it was too late. I don't think either knew she was possessed at any time.



That's an obvious fact.


How do you know that? Where at all did it clarify her moving had anything to do with staving off her death? Maybe, inevitably, that was something that could have been done and may have helped the situation. Instead of doing so, they wanted to wait the few days for the demonologist. And hey, the plan WOULD have been to leave the house anyway, at the boyfriend's frantic insistance. Unfortunately, it was a little late by then and the demon took advantage of the girl in her state of sleep.


It was kind of obvious that she didn't think the entity was so severe that it could kill her, or progress to the point that it did. Previous experiences were a lot more vague... the old hag syndrome-like things she spoke of, seeing a shadow, etc., which countless people claim to have experienced. She DID take things very seriously, and felt that if provoking the demon stopped, it'd go away.. as it had done in the past. People balk at the thought of leaving their home. It takes a lot to leave something you've rooted yourself in behind, which makes sense. They likely would have left if the thing hadn't manipulated her into saying she wanted to say.

ANYWAY. You're entitled to your opinion and it's kind of pointless to debate on opinion alone, when it comes to whether a movie was good or not. I thought it was decent, you didn't, and that's pretty much all there is to it.



A problem that always went away on its own. A problem that never progressed as drastically as it did in the movie. I don't think they've got an office full of demon-exorcists waiting on emergency call.

I enjoyed the way they handled things regardless. It'd have been pretty lame it they just chucked her in a hospital with a straight jacket or had a pretty, priest-chasing-bad-bad-demon-away ending. It was a movie shot in a week, a budget of $11,000 and met for a few scares. Nothing real heavy there, nothing mindblowing. I liked it and would certainly say it's worth a look.

No. they looked for consultation not exorcism. there was no talk of exorcism at all. exorcisms are performed by priests. no one even thought about contacting one but by going by your logic priests must be pretty rare as well. stare

as I said in my previous post I was going by the rules of the movie. The consultant they got advice from suggested they should not do anything to provoke the entity because that would be feeding it negative energy which makes it more powerful (the bf who did not take him seriously decided to disregard that statement) I'm going by something the movie itself wanted to point out.

I never said the demon wouldn't have followed her but it would have done less harm. it was already explained that a lot of negative energy was created in the house making the demon more powerful. once the girl was fully possessed she convinced the moronic bf to stay in the house (obviously showing the demon wanted them both to stay there or rather NEEDED them to)

my reasoning comes from things that happened in the movie and common sense. regardless if not moving would have no effect. Human reasoning would be to MOVE ANYWAY. Two people under the belief that they are haunted would make anyone not want to be in that house after being dragged out of your bed and bitten by an invisible force stare that's authentic to you? people sleeping in the same bed a demon is watching over? the bf was a day trader who completely owned that house. I think he does have the money to up and move as he pleases stare

You must have watched a completely different film than everyone else.

They showed the film clip of the exorcism of Diane(or was it Diana?). In the original screening you see the entire thing and I have to admit, there's a reason why they edited out of the theatrical release. Micah even tells Katie that they performed an exorcism on the girl and it only pissed it off even more and she died. Proof that they don't always go as planned. It's in both versions.

As for the authenticity, it seems legit. No one would run from bumps and thumps in the night. It might as well have been the house settling in for all they knew. It was just small objects misplaced, water running, lights turning on and off, and thumps and bumps. Could be a number of logical things.

Micah wanted to handle this thing as any other man would if something was threatening their girl. He wanted to help her and thought he was, human nature to defend your woman. Katie couldn't leave, if you remember the demon was always with her! Micah at the end wanted to leave, but it convinced him through Katie to stay because it was safe.

You're subjection of reality and authenticity is only blinded by what you would do and conceive as common sense AFTER having watched it.

the movie I watched only showed them looking at a website of the story of Diana and the bf stated that she died. they showed a picture of her but there was no "it got pissed off at her afterwords"

this isn't something I thought of after the movie it was DURING the movie. it was right after the moment she was dragged out of the bed and bitten that I began to think it's probably best that they get more drastic about this thing but to my suprise they actually slept into the same bed until finally that predictable ending came. I even said just before the ending caption came up "I bet she was never found again"

I agree that protecting his girl was supposed to be his priority but how does he do that when he has her sleeping in the same bed he knows a demon is attacking her on?

Watch the movie again as they're looking at the website he points out that the girl became possessed by a demon and they performed an exorcism. Katie later asks did it work and he says no, that sometimes it just pisses it off even more. Katie asks what happened and Micah says she died, exorcisms don't always work.

It's in both the theatrical and original screen version(the original screen version shows a bit more graphic video of the exorcism).

Also the demonologist wasn't out of the country, Katie merely stated they couldn't get in touch with him.

And where do you expect Katie and Micah to go? The demon has been following her since she was 8yrs old. It was her it wanted, always has. They state this several times throughout the film.

Also the theatrical ending was a real shocker, it was only cheapened though by Spielberg wanting to add that last minute shock. The part where Micah goes flying up the stairs and rag-dolled was unforeseen, except in the trailers. It's the build up to that moment that really gets you.

I suggest you watch the film again and keep your eyes and ears peeled this time.

again. even if this was the case consulting a priest would've hurt them how? they're willing to pay for a consultant but wouldn't go see a priest?

and yes the demonologist WAS out of the country. the second time the ghost consultant came to the house he confirmed this, that's why they couldn't get in contact with him.

I expected them to go ANYWHERE BUT THE PLACE THEY WERE RECENTLY ATTACKED FROM JUST THE OTHER NIGHT.

you mean the part where micah was flying up the stairs was UNSEEN the only thing we get to see is his back hitting the camera. you knew he was dead the moment he stopped screaming though stare I'll admit the final scene was spooky but not spooky enough to sit through for two hours.

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I am fully aware the demonologist left the country. I am also fully aware that one doesn't need a consultant to advise going to a church in hopes to get an exorcism. perhaps you wouldn't think of that but in cases of people who believe they are being haunted the first thing that comes to mind is a church stare you can't say this is not something they just didn't think of when the entire time they were looking things up online and even buying books about demons.

once again. I'm going by what was given to me by the movie. not actual demon lore. if know about demon lore that's good for you, however. I'm going by the things I saw in this movie. the second visit from the consultant felt negative energy from the HOUSE not from the people who gave it off. they were two people filling the house up with negative energy. the consultant had advised them not to do this and gave them the possible solution to stop thinking of it so it would go away. so by that reasoning what would happen if you moved to another location filled with people not thinking of being haunted by this entity? if this was not the case why would the demon persuade the bf to stay in the house when it didn't matter where they went because they would still die?

even if NONE of this was the case running from the environment that is potentially dangerous is a normal reaction. staying in a potentially dangerous environment is not. regardless whether the demon was just as strong anywhere or in that place the first idea is to run. run somewhere far away in the belief you'll be safe if you do. staying because your girlfriend who was the first to want to stop all this and is now calm and has changed her mind would only result in FORCING her to leave for own safety. THAT is trying to protect your girlfriend. not sleeping in the same bed she was previously attacked on the night before stare

You didn't like the movie. Your reasoning doesn't align with mine or the few in here and that's just the way it is.

And yes, I remember, they did say the exorcism pissed the demon off even more.

Basically, you disagree with the way they handled a unique and crisis situation. They didn't react the way you say you would have which somehow makes their logic faulty, unauthentic, and predictable. Fortunately for myself and others it's what made the movie that much more enjoyable.

you're correct about me not liking the movie. however you're perception of me is wrong. you enjoying the movie is something I could care less about. I don't know you. In the same way you stated why you liked the movie I stated why I did not. There are plenty of people that enjoy certain movies, television, and music because it's relates to them. things that do not relate are often not liked.

and even if that was said in the movie that doesn't mean a person would just forfeit and not try consulting a priest.

me not agreeing with you seems to make you think my logic is faulty, so why point that out? you probably see this as something pointless because you assume I'm trying to change a person who enjoyed the movies mind but I'm merely doing the same thing everyone else is. stating my views and reasoning.

I don't mind when someone hates a movie I enjoyed. I just think it's silly when they try to argue over something purely subjective. What a person likes or dislikes about a character and its authenticity really is subjective. Your logic became faulty when you pulled things from the movie that weren't even there (saying moving would improve their rate of survival when the movie itself indicated otherwise).

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I am fully aware the demonologist left the country. I am also fully aware that one doesn't need a consultant to advise going to a church in hopes to get an exorcism. perhaps you wouldn't think of that but in cases of people who believe they are being haunted the first thing that comes to mind is a church stare you can't say this is not something they just didn't think of when the entire time they were looking things up online and even buying books about demons.

once again. I'm going by what was given to me by the movie. not actual demon lore. if know about demon lore that's good for you, however. I'm going by the things I saw in this movie. the second visit from the consultant felt negative energy from the HOUSE not from the people who gave it off. they were two people filling the house up with negative energy. the consultant had advised them not to do this and gave them the possible solution to stop thinking of it so it would go away. so by that reasoning what would happen if you moved to another location filled with people not thinking of being haunted by this entity? if this was not the case why would the demon persuade the bf to stay in the house when it didn't matter where they went because they would still die?

even if NONE of this was the case running from the environment that is potentially dangerous is a normal reaction. staying in a potentially dangerous environment is not. regardless whether the demon was just as strong anywhere or in that place the first idea is to run. run somewhere far away in the belief you'll be safe if you do. staying because your girlfriend who was the first to want to stop all this and is now calm and has changed her mind would only result in FORCING her to leave for own safety. THAT is trying to protect your girlfriend. not sleeping in the same bed she was previously attacked on the night before stare

You didn't like the movie. Your reasoning doesn't align with mine or the few in here and that's just the way it is.

And yes, I remember, they did say the exorcism pissed the demon off even more.

Basically, you disagree with the way they handled a unique and crisis situation. They didn't react the way you say you would have which somehow makes their logic faulty, unauthentic, and predictable. Fortunately for myself and others it's what made the movie that much more enjoyable.

you're correct about me not liking the movie. however you're perception of me is wrong. you enjoying the movie is something I could care less about. I don't know you. In the same way you stated why you liked the movie I stated why I did not. There are plenty of people that enjoy certain movies, television, and music because it's relates to them. things that do not relate are often not liked.

and even if that was said in the movie that doesn't mean a person would just forfeit and not try consulting a priest.

me not agreeing with you seems to make you think my logic is faulty, so why point that out? you probably see this as something pointless because you assume I'm trying to change a person who enjoyed the movies mind but I'm merely doing the same thing everyone else is. stating my views and reasoning.

I don't mind when someone hates a movie I enjoyed. I just think it's silly when they try to argue over something purely subjective. What a person likes or dislikes about a character and its authenticity really is subjective. Your logic became faulty when you pulled things from the movie that weren't even there (saying moving would improve their rate of survival when the movie itself indicated otherwise).

the movie itself indicated other wise due to them not really doing anything which was one of my points as to why I didn't enjoy it. this movie builds up on them doing wrong things to increase a certain amount of suspense so how can you really argue that they did everything they could? my logic is based off of them having different options and being able to make more of an effort to survive. how is that faulty when this movie WANTS to point out these characters did all the wrong things?

it's not like these characters were in Jigsaw's labyrinth. They were free to do as they pleased and they chose to stay in the very same place that an entity was setting things on fires, breaking frames, and dragging them out of their beds. so would you really stay in that place?

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Moving out would do nothing. It followed her in the past, this isn't a typical haunting, and it has to do with the girlfriend, not her surroundings. People don't exactly have the means to up and move whenever they wish anyway, and she clearly stated in the movie that she doesn't want to bring the entity to the house of a friend or family member.

They tried consulting someone for an exorcism. That was the entire point of trying to contact the demonologist who happened to be out of town. They had every intention to go through with it when he was to return in a few short days. They also exhausted their efforts with the psychic who turned them down twice. This is a unique situation that doesn't reveal itself to be immediately dangerous until the situation is completely out of control. It's not like there's a ghost hotline, a devil 911 for them to call. I'd imagine it's pretty easy to swiftly exhaust the resources available to you, locally.



How do you know it has anything to do with her surroundings and isn't simply the demon's timing of carrying out whatever it's clearly set on doing?



How do you know it wouldn't have followed her? How could a hospital save her body or soul or whatever from demonic possession? They weren't even entirely sure she WAS possessed. The first time it happened they thought she was walking in her sleep. The second time... well, that was that, and it was too late. I don't think either knew she was possessed at any time.



That's an obvious fact.


How do you know that? Where at all did it clarify her moving had anything to do with staving off her death? Maybe, inevitably, that was something that could have been done and may have helped the situation. Instead of doing so, they wanted to wait the few days for the demonologist. And hey, the plan WOULD have been to leave the house anyway, at the boyfriend's frantic insistance. Unfortunately, it was a little late by then and the demon took advantage of the girl in her state of sleep.


It was kind of obvious that she didn't think the entity was so severe that it could kill her, or progress to the point that it did. Previous experiences were a lot more vague... the old hag syndrome-like things she spoke of, seeing a shadow, etc., which countless people claim to have experienced. She DID take things very seriously, and felt that if provoking the demon stopped, it'd go away.. as it had done in the past. People balk at the thought of leaving their home. It takes a lot to leave something you've rooted yourself in behind, which makes sense. They likely would have left if the thing hadn't manipulated her into saying she wanted to say.

ANYWAY. You're entitled to your opinion and it's kind of pointless to debate on opinion alone, when it comes to whether a movie was good or not. I thought it was decent, you didn't, and that's pretty much all there is to it.



A problem that always went away on its own. A problem that never progressed as drastically as it did in the movie. I don't think they've got an office full of demon-exorcists waiting on emergency call.

I enjoyed the way they handled things regardless. It'd have been pretty lame it they just chucked her in a hospital with a straight jacket or had a pretty, priest-chasing-bad-bad-demon-away ending. It was a movie shot in a week, a budget of $11,000 and met for a few scares. Nothing real heavy there, nothing mindblowing. I liked it and would certainly say it's worth a look.

No. they looked for consultation not exorcism. there was no talk of exorcism at all. exorcisms are performed by priests. no one even thought about contacting one but by going by your logic priests must be pretty rare as well. stare

as I said in my previous post I was going by the rules of the movie. The consultant they got advice from suggested they should not do anything to provoke the entity because that would be feeding it negative energy which makes it more powerful (the bf who did not take him seriously decided to disregard that statement) I'm going by something the movie itself wanted to point out.

I never said the demon wouldn't have followed her but it would have done less harm. it was already explained that a lot of negative energy was created in the house making the demon more powerful. once the girl was fully possessed she convinced the moronic bf to stay in the house (obviously showing the demon wanted them both to stay there or rather NEEDED them to)

my reasoning comes from things that happened in the movie and common sense. regardless if not moving would have no effect. Human reasoning would be to MOVE ANYWAY. Two people under the belief that they are haunted would make anyone not want to be in that house after being dragged out of your bed and bitten by an invisible force stare that's authentic to you? people sleeping in the same bed a demon is watching over? the bf was a day trader who completely owned that house. I think he does have the money to up and move as he pleases stare

You must have watched a completely different film than everyone else.

They showed the film clip of the exorcism of Diane(or was it Diana?). In the original screening you see the entire thing and I have to admit, there's a reason why they edited out of the theatrical release. Micah even tells Katie that they performed an exorcism on the girl and it only pissed it off even more and she died. Proof that they don't always go as planned. It's in both versions.

As for the authenticity, it seems legit. No one would run from bumps and thumps in the night. It might as well have been the house settling in for all they knew. It was just small objects misplaced, water running, lights turning on and off, and thumps and bumps. Could be a number of logical things.

Micah wanted to handle this thing as any other man would if something was threatening their girl. He wanted to help her and thought he was, human nature to defend your woman. Katie couldn't leave, if you remember the demon was always with her! Micah at the end wanted to leave, but it convinced him through Katie to stay because it was safe.

You're subjection of reality and authenticity is only blinded by what you would do and conceive as common sense AFTER having watched it.

the movie I watched only showed them looking at a website of the story of Diana and the bf stated that she died. they showed a picture of her but there was no "it got pissed off at her afterwords"

this isn't something I thought of after the movie it was DURING the movie. it was right after the moment she was dragged out of the bed and bitten that I began to think it's probably best that they get more drastic about this thing but to my suprise they actually slept into the same bed until finally that predictable ending came. I even said just before the ending caption came up "I bet she was never found again"

I agree that protecting his girl was supposed to be his priority but how does he do that when he has her sleeping in the same bed he knows a demon is attacking her on?

Watch the movie again as they're looking at the website he points out that the girl became possessed by a demon and they performed an exorcism. Katie later asks did it work and he says no, that sometimes it just pisses it off even more. Katie asks what happened and Micah says she died, exorcisms don't always work.

It's in both the theatrical and original screen version(the original screen version shows a bit more graphic video of the exorcism).

Also the demonologist wasn't out of the country, Katie merely stated they couldn't get in touch with him.

And where do you expect Katie and Micah to go? The demon has been following her since she was 8yrs old. It was her it wanted, always has. They state this several times throughout the film.

Also the theatrical ending was a real shocker, it was only cheapened though by Spielberg wanting to add that last minute shock. The part where Micah goes flying up the stairs and rag-dolled was unforeseen, except in the trailers. It's the build up to that moment that really gets you.

I suggest you watch the film again and keep your eyes and ears peeled this time.

again. even if this was the case consulting a priest would've hurt them how? they're willing to pay for a consultant but wouldn't go see a priest?

and yes the demonologist WAS out of the country. the second time the ghost consultant came to the house he confirmed this, that's why they couldn't get in contact with him.

I expected them to go ANYWHERE BUT THE PLACE THEY WERE RECENTLY ATTACKED FROM JUST THE OTHER NIGHT.

you mean the part where micah was flying up the stairs was UNSEEN the only thing we get to see is his back hitting the camera. you knew he was dead the moment he stopped screaming though stare I'll admit the final scene was spooky but not spooky enough to sit through for two hours.

You've obviously have never seen the "Excorcist" at all in your life. It's not that simple calling your local priest to perform an exorcism. There's a procedure that must be followed and then, only then as a last resort when procedure's have failed does a church have the right to approve of an exorcism. Most churches do not approve of them because they don't always work and because it could affect the church's diocese as well. There could be a lawsuit that follow, etc.

The procedure itself is very long with medical examinations being performed, alongside psychological to make sure it is something logical happening. After that a church can decide whether or not to approve of an exorcism.

Also on your remark for movies relating, I like Transformers(1986) film does that mean I'm secretly a robot in disguise? I like Ghostbusters, does that mean I bust ghosts? I enjoyed Pan's Labyrinth, does that mean I'm a girl who's on the cusp of insanity between reality and fantasy bending and entwining? I also enjoy Godzilla, does that mean I'm a 30 story radioactive lizard who reigns terror on humanity itself? No. I enjoy those movies simply because they do what they were intended to do, entertain!

People like movies, not because of the relationship between them and the film, but because they ENTERTAIN us! Your logical faulty at best and your observation is dubious as well. You didn't like the movie, simply because you felt it was unreal and weren't entertained by the aspect of it because it was unreal.

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You must have watched a completely different film than everyone else.

They showed the film clip of the exorcism of Diane(or was it Diana?). In the original screening you see the entire thing and I have to admit, there's a reason why they edited out of the theatrical release. Micah even tells Katie that they performed an exorcism on the girl and it only pissed it off even more and she died. Proof that they don't always go as planned. It's in both versions.

As for the authenticity, it seems legit. No one would run from bumps and thumps in the night. It might as well have been the house settling in for all they knew. It was just small objects misplaced, water running, lights turning on and off, and thumps and bumps. Could be a number of logical things.

Micah wanted to handle this thing as any other man would if something was threatening their girl. He wanted to help her and thought he was, human nature to defend your woman. Katie couldn't leave, if you remember the demon was always with her! Micah at the end wanted to leave, but it convinced him through Katie to stay because it was safe.

You're subjection of reality and authenticity is only blinded by what you would do and conceive as common sense AFTER having watched it.

the movie I watched only showed them looking at a website of the story of Diana and the bf stated that she died. they showed a picture of her but there was no "it got pissed off at her afterwords"

this isn't something I thought of after the movie it was DURING the movie. it was right after the moment she was dragged out of the bed and bitten that I began to think it's probably best that they get more drastic about this thing but to my suprise they actually slept into the same bed until finally that predictable ending came. I even said just before the ending caption came up "I bet she was never found again"

I agree that protecting his girl was supposed to be his priority but how does he do that when he has her sleeping in the same bed he knows a demon is attacking her on?

Watch the movie again as they're looking at the website he points out that the girl became possessed by a demon and they performed an exorcism. Katie later asks did it work and he says no, that sometimes it just pisses it off even more. Katie asks what happened and Micah says she died, exorcisms don't always work.

It's in both the theatrical and original screen version(the original screen version shows a bit more graphic video of the exorcism).

Also the demonologist wasn't out of the country, Katie merely stated they couldn't get in touch with him.

And where do you expect Katie and Micah to go? The demon has been following her since she was 8yrs old. It was her it wanted, always has. They state this several times throughout the film.

Also the theatrical ending was a real shocker, it was only cheapened though by Spielberg wanting to add that last minute shock. The part where Micah goes flying up the stairs and rag-dolled was unforeseen, except in the trailers. It's the build up to that moment that really gets you.

I suggest you watch the film again and keep your eyes and ears peeled this time.

again. even if this was the case consulting a priest would've hurt them how? they're willing to pay for a consultant but wouldn't go see a priest?

and yes the demonologist WAS out of the country. the second time the ghost consultant came to the house he confirmed this, that's why they couldn't get in contact with him.

I expected them to go ANYWHERE BUT THE PLACE THEY WERE RECENTLY ATTACKED FROM JUST THE OTHER NIGHT.

you mean the part where micah was flying up the stairs was UNSEEN the only thing we get to see is his back hitting the camera. you knew he was dead the moment he stopped screaming though stare I'll admit the final scene was spooky but not spooky enough to sit through for two hours.

You've obviously have never seen the "Excorcist" at all in your life. It's not that simple calling your local priest to perform an exorcism. There's a procedure that must be followed and then, only then as a last resort when procedure's have failed does a church have the right to approve of an exorcism. Most churches do not approve of them because they don't always work and because it could affect the church's diocese as well. There could be a lawsuit that follow, etc.

The procedure itself is very long with medical examinations being performed, alongside psychological to make sure it is something logical happening. After that a church can decide whether or not to approve of an exorcism.

Also on your remark for movies relating, I like Transformers(1986) film does that mean I'm secretly a robot in disguise? I like Ghostbusters, does that mean I bust ghosts? I enjoyed Pan's Labyrinth, does that mean I'm a girl who's on the cusp of insanity between reality and fantasy bending and entwining? I also enjoy Godzilla, does that mean I'm a 30 story radioactive lizard who reigns terror on humanity itself? No. I enjoy those movies simply because they do what they were intended to do, entertain!

People like movies, not because of the relationship between them and the film, but because they ENTERTAIN us! Your logical faulty at best and your observation is dubious as well. You didn't like the movie, simply because you felt it was unreal and weren't entertained by the aspect of it because it was unreal.

that's why I said CONSULT A PRIEST. this thing has been following her since she was 8 years old. she had years to do real research and consultation with hundreds of different spiritual mediums. both she and her sister had even one time saw it's physical form. she's so used to this being she was the one who could actually feel it's presence so why is it hard to expect someone to have wondered why she hasn't done anything about it during these years of being haunted?

you seem to not have understood what I meant by people relating to things they like completely stare
relating doesn't just limit itself to every detail of the character's biology or the plot's setting. forms of entertainment that are liked by individuals can relate to their sense of style or certain expectations they have for movies. it's all based on what you like. what you like is a part of your personality therefore the things you like are related to the kind of person you are. you were able to defend paranormal activities with valid points because it did meet your own personal tastes for movies if you just LIKED it all you would have said was "I liked it" and moved on.

saying people just like things because they entertain us was an oversimplification and is just an insult to everyone who had reasons for liking/not liking this movie. stare

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I just watched it.

Ugh, it was lame.

Didn't seem as realistic as it could. I hated Katie, who I nicknamed Tits, because... Well. I think we all know why. (Sorry, they were distracting.) Micah (which they pronounce Mika for some odd reason) was aiight, but I didn't feel emotionally attached to any the characters at all.

It was like I was watching this movie, and had a strong desire to skip all of the boring scenes to get to the nighttime bedroom ones. And even then, I was often left disappointed.

Plus the plot was a bit lacking.
Or maybe I just zoned out when Tits was talking about her past...

Anyway, I want to know who the demon is, why it's stalking Tits, and if anything else happened after the movie. It was a film about these people suffering and not really figuring anything out. Which, actually, might INDEED be very realistic, but I'm still unsatisfied.

I think the Blair Witch Project was more scary than this movie.
But then again, I'm also one of the four people that actually LIKED that film.

I'd give Paranormal Activity a C. They tried, that's for sure. Some scenes (like the dragging-out-of-bed one or the I'm-watching-you-sleep one) were cool, maybe even creepy, but definitely not scary.

A little more creativity would have been nice, or characters I could at least care about. I also would have liked to see the demon, although I know that's not how it usually goes. But bumps and thumps can only keep you "on the edge of your seat" for so long.

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my friend saw it and said it was so scary that she stayed up all night but she gets scared easily
i really want to see it D8