Paranormal Activity

[Kurama_1990s]

countMalif

dia-chan

I enjoyed it and found the characters to be very authentic and likeable. For those that do believe in the paranormal, who've experienced such things or have listened grown up hearing such tales from their loved ones, it's haunting. Many times, I caught myself twinging inside, remembering, like they pulled that very scene from my memories. I loved it.

I don't think it was anything mindblowing but it was certainly decent.

Authentic? Likeable? Not really stare

They were both annoyingly persistent in doing things that were absolutely WRONG. They both had actual evidence that the girl needed some help and instead of going to a HOSPITAL or doing everything they could to seek spiritual help they both persisted in staying in the house. I can't count how many times I wished there was a serial predator hiding in the walls to just pop out and eat them already. stare

[Lilizarr93]

i want to see it damnit ......

[dia-chan]

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Authentic?

That's what I said.

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Likeable?

I liked them.

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They were both annoyingly persistent in doing things that were absolutely WRONG.

Like many people in life are, ESPECIALLY when it comes to the supernatural. I know a great deal of people who play around with ouija boards and antagonize "ghosts" and try to summon demons in mirrors because, honestly, they don't think s**t is going to happen, or if anything is to happen it'll be a small, harmless scare. I thought the boyfriend's provocation of the demon was realistic and pretty damn funny. Lots of people would be angry if a ghost was ******** around with their loved one. It's not a stretch that they'd want to take control of the situation. It's their home, afterall, and their partner, and what the ******** is going on, and they HAVE to be the one to fix it, even if they have no clue how to go about it. It's the principle of things. In this case, he was the man of the house, so I guess he felt the need to protect, or whatever. Either way, it worked for me, and it certainly worked for a majority of critics (rottentomatoes.com gave it an 86% which is pretty damn good for a horror flick.)

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They both had actual evidence that the girl needed some help and instead of going to a HOSPITAL

rolleyes Yeah, 'cause hospitals know how to excorcise demons. I'm sure locking her in a padded cell would certainly have helped, especially since the thing would have followed her anywhere.

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or doing everything they could to seek spiritual help they both persisted in staying in the house. I can't count how many times I wished there was a serial predator hiding in the walls to just pop out and eat them already. :stare

You didn't pay attention. It didn't matter where they went. The demon would follow her. Also, they took it seriously way too late, which is understandable, since in our day in age it isn't set in stone that demons exist and can possess and kill people.

Also, they contacted two spiritual individuals. I'd imagine there's not a whopping load of people in the demonology field. At least, not locally.

[countMalif]

dia-chan

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Authentic?

That's what I said.

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Likeable?

I liked them.

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They were both annoyingly persistent in doing things that were absolutely WRONG.

Like many people in life are, ESPECIALLY when it comes to the supernatural. I know a great deal of people who play around with ouija boards and antagonize "ghosts" and try to summon demons in mirrors because, honestly, they don't think s**t is going to happen, or if anything is to happen it'll be a small, harmless scare. I thought the boyfriend's provocation of the demon was realistic and pretty damn funny. Lots of people would be angry if a ghost was ******** around with their loved one. It's not a stretch that they'd want to take control of the situation. It's their home, afterall, and their partner, and what the ******** is going on, and they HAVE to be the one to fix it, even if they have no clue how to go about it. It's the principle of things. In this case, he was the man of the house, so I guess he felt the need to protect, or whatever. Either way, it worked for me, and it certainly worked for a majority of critics (rottentomatoes.com gave it an 86% which is pretty damn good for a horror flick.)

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They both had actual evidence that the girl needed some help and instead of going to a HOSPITAL

rolleyes Yeah, 'cause hospitals know how to excorcise demons. I'm sure locking her in a padded cell would certainly have helped, especially since the thing would have followed her anywhere.

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or doing everything they could to seek spiritual help they both persisted in staying in the house. I can't count how many times I wished there was a serial predator hiding in the walls to just pop out and eat them already. :stare

You didn't pay attention. It didn't matter where they went. The demon would follow her. Also, they took it seriously way too late, which is understandable, since in our day in age it isn't set in stone that demons exist and can possess and kill people.

Also, they contacted two spiritual individuals. I'd imagine there's not a whopping load of people in the demonology field. At least, not locally.

Authenticity is not what I would call two people who obviously have a situation where someone (or rather something) has invaded their home and do little to nothing about things an example of that was when they actually saw what happened to that Ouiji board and did NOTHING afterwards. Something is causing vandalism in the house, they have proof of it and instead of moving out or consulting someone to do an exorcism they get advice and continue being victims. I call that horror victims with predictable endings stare

For the sake of debate I'll go along with the rules of the movie and say it was pretty obvious that if they had moved to a place with less negative energy that was building up in the house they would've been safe (an example is how the demon has been on and off due to her moving to different locations. her first house was burned down, then while going to college she moved into a new place. if she had stayed in one area she would've probably died earlier on in her life) A hospital would've been the first place I would've taken her after her out of body experience in the house. so both spiritually and health wise that would've been the best choice and a simple one at that stare

as for me not paying attention. that's laughable seeing as during that movie I payed close enough attention to notice that the demon made his presence known in the hours of one o'clock and three o'clock a.m. (usually at 3 a.m.) not to mention most of the time he struck on an odd number day. as I mentioned earlier if she had just moved out of the house and into a place with more positive energy than none of the events would have happened. you can argue that it was due to the bf insisting on provoking the demon that made things happen but realistically speaking if a person who's been hunted by this thing all her life (she even mentions she's seen it with her very own eyes in the past) you would think she would have either been in a deranged state of mind all the time or have the common sense to just run away. at the very least she should've had more knowledge about her situation but that goes against the horror victim code stare

as for the spiritual advisers. they're a dime a dozen who didn't bother to tell them anything useful. instead they were abandoned. besides this has been a problem her entire life. why wasn't there any real motivation to seek out EVERY possible solution?

[dia-chan]

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Authenticity is not what I would call two people who obviously have a situation where someone (or rather something) has invaded their home and do little to nothing about things an example of that was when they actually saw what happened to that Ouiji board and did NOTHING afterwards. Something is causing vandalism in the house, they have proof of it and instead of moving out or consulting someone to do an exorcism they get advice and continue being victims. I call that horror victims with predictable endings stare

Moving out would do nothing. It followed her in the past, this isn't a typical haunting, and it has to do with the girlfriend, not her surroundings. People don't exactly have the means to up and move whenever they wish anyway, and she clearly stated in the movie that she doesn't want to bring the entity to the house of a friend or family member.

They tried consulting someone for an exorcism. That was the entire point of trying to contact the demonologist who happened to be out of town. They had every intention to go through with it when he was to return in a few short days. They also exhausted their efforts with the psychic who turned them down twice. This is a unique situation that doesn't reveal itself to be immediately dangerous until the situation is completely out of control. It's not like there's a ghost hotline, a devil 911 for them to call. I'd imagine it's pretty easy to swiftly exhaust the resources available to you, locally.

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For the sake of debate I'll go along with the rules of the movie and say it was pretty obvious that if they had moved to a place with less negative energy that was building up in the house they would've been safe (an example is how the demon has been on and off due to her moving to different locations.

How do you know it has anything to do with her surroundings and isn't simply the demon's timing of carrying out whatever it's clearly set on doing?

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her first house was burned down, then while going to college she moved into a new place. if she had stayed in one area she would've probably died earlier on in her life) A hospital would've been the first place I would've taken her after her out of body experience in the house. so both spiritually and health wise that would've been the best choice and a simple one at that stare

How do you know it wouldn't have followed her? How could a hospital save her body or soul or whatever from demonic possession? They weren't even entirely sure she WAS possessed. The first time it happened they thought she was walking in her sleep. The second time... well, that was that, and it was too late. I don't think either knew she was possessed at any time.

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as for me not paying attention. that's laughable seeing as during that movie I payed close enough attention to notice that the demon made his presence known in the hours of one o'clock and three o'clock a.m. (usually at 3 a.m.)

That's an obvious fact.

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not to mention most of the time he struck on an odd number day. as I mentioned earlier if she had just moved out of the house and into a place with more positive energy than none of the events would have happened.

How do you know that? Where at all did it clarify her moving had anything to do with staving off her death? Maybe, inevitably, that was something that could have been done and may have helped the situation. Instead of doing so, they wanted to wait the few days for the demonologist. And hey, the plan WOULD have been to leave the house anyway, at the boyfriend's frantic insistance. Unfortunately, it was a little late by then and the demon took advantage of the girl in her state of sleep.

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you can argue that it was due to the bf insisting on provoking the demon that made things happen but realistically speaking if a person who's been hunted by this thing all her life (she even mentions she's seen it with her very own eyes in the past) you would think she would have either been in a deranged state of mind all the time or have the common sense to just run away. at the very least she should've had more knowledge about her situation but that goes against the horror victim code stare

It was kind of obvious that she didn't think the entity was so severe that it could kill her, or progress to the point that it did. Previous experiences were a lot more vague... the old hag syndrome-like things she spoke of, seeing a shadow, etc., which countless people claim to have experienced. She DID take things very seriously, and felt that if provoking the demon stopped, it'd go away.. as it had done in the past. People balk at the thought of leaving their home. It takes a lot to leave something you've rooted yourself in behind, which makes sense. They likely would have left if the thing hadn't manipulated her into saying she wanted to say.

ANYWAY. You're entitled to your opinion and it's kind of pointless to debate on opinion alone, when it comes to whether a movie was good or not. I thought it was decent, you didn't, and that's pretty much all there is to it.

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as for the spiritual advisers. they're a dime a dozen who didn't bother to tell them anything useful. instead they were abandoned. besides this has been a problem her entire life. why wasn't there any real motivation to seek out EVERY possible solution?

A problem that always went away on its own. A problem that never progressed as drastically as it did in the movie. I don't think they've got an office full of demon-exorcists waiting on emergency call.

I enjoyed the way they handled things regardless. It'd have been pretty lame it they just chucked her in a hospital with a straight jacket or had a pretty, priest-chasing-bad-bad-demon-away ending. It was a movie shot in a week, a budget of $11,000 and met for a few scares. Nothing real heavy there, nothing mindblowing. I liked it and would certainly say it's worth a look.

[dagger5707]

hole moley blaugh

[Zelos Peace]

Would you mind if I hurt you?
Understand that I need to

I just saw it this afternoon. It was okay, but it really wasn't as scary as I thought it would be. From the commercials I it looked like it was worth it, but it really wasn't. I guess horror movies don't affect me as much as they used to. Granted, that last part was a little scary and got my heart going a little faster, but that was about it.

Wish that I had other choices
Than to harm the one I love

[countMalif]

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Authenticity is not what I would call two people who obviously have a situation where someone (or rather something) has invaded their home and do little to nothing about things an example of that was when they actually saw what happened to that Ouiji board and did NOTHING afterwards. Something is causing vandalism in the house, they have proof of it and instead of moving out or consulting someone to do an exorcism they get advice and continue being victims. I call that horror victims with predictable endings stare

Moving out would do nothing. It followed her in the past, this isn't a typical haunting, and it has to do with the girlfriend, not her surroundings. People don't exactly have the means to up and move whenever they wish anyway, and she clearly stated in the movie that she doesn't want to bring the entity to the house of a friend or family member.

They tried consulting someone for an exorcism. That was the entire point of trying to contact the demonologist who happened to be out of town. They had every intention to go through with it when he was to return in a few short days. They also exhausted their efforts with the psychic who turned them down twice. This is a unique situation that doesn't reveal itself to be immediately dangerous until the situation is completely out of control. It's not like there's a ghost hotline, a devil 911 for them to call. I'd imagine it's pretty easy to swiftly exhaust the resources available to you, locally.

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For the sake of debate I'll go along with the rules of the movie and say it was pretty obvious that if they had moved to a place with less negative energy that was building up in the house they would've been safe (an example is how the demon has been on and off due to her moving to different locations.

How do you know it has anything to do with her surroundings and isn't simply the demon's timing of carrying out whatever it's clearly set on doing?

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her first house was burned down, then while going to college she moved into a new place. if she had stayed in one area she would've probably died earlier on in her life) A hospital would've been the first place I would've taken her after her out of body experience in the house. so both spiritually and health wise that would've been the best choice and a simple one at that stare

How do you know it wouldn't have followed her? How could a hospital save her body or soul or whatever from demonic possession? They weren't even entirely sure she WAS possessed. The first time it happened they thought she was walking in her sleep. The second time... well, that was that, and it was too late. I don't think either knew she was possessed at any time.

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as for me not paying attention. that's laughable seeing as during that movie I payed close enough attention to notice that the demon made his presence known in the hours of one o'clock and three o'clock a.m. (usually at 3 a.m.)

That's an obvious fact.

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not to mention most of the time he struck on an odd number day. as I mentioned earlier if she had just moved out of the house and into a place with more positive energy than none of the events would have happened.

How do you know that? Where at all did it clarify her moving had anything to do with staving off her death? Maybe, inevitably, that was something that could have been done and may have helped the situation. Instead of doing so, they wanted to wait the few days for the demonologist. And hey, the plan WOULD have been to leave the house anyway, at the boyfriend's frantic insistance. Unfortunately, it was a little late by then and the demon took advantage of the girl in her state of sleep.

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you can argue that it was due to the bf insisting on provoking the demon that made things happen but realistically speaking if a person who's been hunted by this thing all her life (she even mentions she's seen it with her very own eyes in the past) you would think she would have either been in a deranged state of mind all the time or have the common sense to just run away. at the very least she should've had more knowledge about her situation but that goes against the horror victim code stare

It was kind of obvious that she didn't think the entity was so severe that it could kill her, or progress to the point that it did. Previous experiences were a lot more vague... the old hag syndrome-like things she spoke of, seeing a shadow, etc., which countless people claim to have experienced. She DID take things very seriously, and felt that if provoking the demon stopped, it'd go away.. as it had done in the past. People balk at the thought of leaving their home. It takes a lot to leave something you've rooted yourself in behind, which makes sense. They likely would have left if the thing hadn't manipulated her into saying she wanted to say.

ANYWAY. You're entitled to your opinion and it's kind of pointless to debate on opinion alone, when it comes to whether a movie was good or not. I thought it was decent, you didn't, and that's pretty much all there is to it.

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as for the spiritual advisers. they're a dime a dozen who didn't bother to tell them anything useful. instead they were abandoned. besides this has been a problem her entire life. why wasn't there any real motivation to seek out EVERY possible solution?

A problem that always went away on its own. A problem that never progressed as drastically as it did in the movie. I don't think they've got an office full of demon-exorcists waiting on emergency call.

I enjoyed the way they handled things regardless. It'd have been pretty lame it they just chucked her in a hospital with a straight jacket or had a pretty, priest-chasing-bad-bad-demon-away ending. It was a movie shot in a week, a budget of $11,000 and met for a few scares. Nothing real heavy there, nothing mindblowing. I liked it and would certainly say it's worth a look.

No. they looked for consultation not exorcism. there was no talk of exorcism at all. exorcisms are performed by priests. no one even thought about contacting one but by going by your logic priests must be pretty rare as well. stare

as I said in my previous post I was going by the rules of the movie. The consultant they got advice from suggested they should not do anything to provoke the entity because that would be feeding it negative energy which makes it more powerful (the bf who did not take him seriously decided to disregard that statement) I'm going by something the movie itself wanted to point out.

I never said the demon wouldn't have followed her but it would have done less harm. it was already explained that a lot of negative energy was created in the house making the demon more powerful. once the girl was fully possessed she convinced the moronic bf to stay in the house (obviously showing the demon wanted them both to stay there or rather NEEDED them to)

my reasoning comes from things that happened in the movie and common sense. regardless if not moving would have no effect. Human reasoning would be to MOVE ANYWAY. Two people under the belief that they are haunted would make anyone not want to be in that house after being dragged out of your bed and bitten by an invisible force stare that's authentic to you? people sleeping in the same bed a demon is watching over? the bf was a day trader who completely owned that house. I think he does have the money to up and move as he pleases stare

[Candy_princess420]

That movie looks pretty awesome biggrin

[The Fringe Observer]

I got freaked out. I really believe in that stuff, and I am sensitive to that sort of thing.

I was pretty annoyed that they did break two rules that you should go by if you have a negative spirit around you.

DON'T FIGHT. Basically, try to have as much positive energy as possible. Even the guy that they contacted first said that it feeds off negative energy.

And no Ouija boards. They can either piss it off, make it worse, or even invite something far worse than what you had.

I was really sad for Micah, though. ;-; I liked him alot. He did get on my nerves, especially by provoking it, but I know people who would do that in RL, so I suppose I gravitated to him more. crying

[Lahku]

countMalif

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Authenticity is not what I would call two people who obviously have a situation where someone (or rather something) has invaded their home and do little to nothing about things an example of that was when they actually saw what happened to that Ouiji board and did NOTHING afterwards. Something is causing vandalism in the house, they have proof of it and instead of moving out or consulting someone to do an exorcism they get advice and continue being victims. I call that horror victims with predictable endings stare

Moving out would do nothing. It followed her in the past, this isn't a typical haunting, and it has to do with the girlfriend, not her surroundings. People don't exactly have the means to up and move whenever they wish anyway, and she clearly stated in the movie that she doesn't want to bring the entity to the house of a friend or family member.

They tried consulting someone for an exorcism. That was the entire point of trying to contact the demonologist who happened to be out of town. They had every intention to go through with it when he was to return in a few short days. They also exhausted their efforts with the psychic who turned them down twice. This is a unique situation that doesn't reveal itself to be immediately dangerous until the situation is completely out of control. It's not like there's a ghost hotline, a devil 911 for them to call. I'd imagine it's pretty easy to swiftly exhaust the resources available to you, locally.

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For the sake of debate I'll go along with the rules of the movie and say it was pretty obvious that if they had moved to a place with less negative energy that was building up in the house they would've been safe (an example is how the demon has been on and off due to her moving to different locations.

How do you know it has anything to do with her surroundings and isn't simply the demon's timing of carrying out whatever it's clearly set on doing?

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her first house was burned down, then while going to college she moved into a new place. if she had stayed in one area she would've probably died earlier on in her life) A hospital would've been the first place I would've taken her after her out of body experience in the house. so both spiritually and health wise that would've been the best choice and a simple one at that stare

How do you know it wouldn't have followed her? How could a hospital save her body or soul or whatever from demonic possession? They weren't even entirely sure she WAS possessed. The first time it happened they thought she was walking in her sleep. The second time... well, that was that, and it was too late. I don't think either knew she was possessed at any time.

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as for me not paying attention. that's laughable seeing as during that movie I payed close enough attention to notice that the demon made his presence known in the hours of one o'clock and three o'clock a.m. (usually at 3 a.m.)

That's an obvious fact.

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not to mention most of the time he struck on an odd number day. as I mentioned earlier if she had just moved out of the house and into a place with more positive energy than none of the events would have happened.

How do you know that? Where at all did it clarify her moving had anything to do with staving off her death? Maybe, inevitably, that was something that could have been done and may have helped the situation. Instead of doing so, they wanted to wait the few days for the demonologist. And hey, the plan WOULD have been to leave the house anyway, at the boyfriend's frantic insistance. Unfortunately, it was a little late by then and the demon took advantage of the girl in her state of sleep.

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you can argue that it was due to the bf insisting on provoking the demon that made things happen but realistically speaking if a person who's been hunted by this thing all her life (she even mentions she's seen it with her very own eyes in the past) you would think she would have either been in a deranged state of mind all the time or have the common sense to just run away. at the very least she should've had more knowledge about her situation but that goes against the horror victim code stare

It was kind of obvious that she didn't think the entity was so severe that it could kill her, or progress to the point that it did. Previous experiences were a lot more vague... the old hag syndrome-like things she spoke of, seeing a shadow, etc., which countless people claim to have experienced. She DID take things very seriously, and felt that if provoking the demon stopped, it'd go away.. as it had done in the past. People balk at the thought of leaving their home. It takes a lot to leave something you've rooted yourself in behind, which makes sense. They likely would have left if the thing hadn't manipulated her into saying she wanted to say.

ANYWAY. You're entitled to your opinion and it's kind of pointless to debate on opinion alone, when it comes to whether a movie was good or not. I thought it was decent, you didn't, and that's pretty much all there is to it.

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as for the spiritual advisers. they're a dime a dozen who didn't bother to tell them anything useful. instead they were abandoned. besides this has been a problem her entire life. why wasn't there any real motivation to seek out EVERY possible solution?

A problem that always went away on its own. A problem that never progressed as drastically as it did in the movie. I don't think they've got an office full of demon-exorcists waiting on emergency call.

I enjoyed the way they handled things regardless. It'd have been pretty lame it they just chucked her in a hospital with a straight jacket or had a pretty, priest-chasing-bad-bad-demon-away ending. It was a movie shot in a week, a budget of $11,000 and met for a few scares. Nothing real heavy there, nothing mindblowing. I liked it and would certainly say it's worth a look.

No. they looked for consultation not exorcism. there was no talk of exorcism at all. exorcisms are performed by priests. no one even thought about contacting one but by going by your logic priests must be pretty rare as well. stare

as I said in my previous post I was going by the rules of the movie. The consultant they got advice from suggested they should not do anything to provoke the entity because that would be feeding it negative energy which makes it more powerful (the bf who did not take him seriously decided to disregard that statement) I'm going by something the movie itself wanted to point out.

I never said the demon wouldn't have followed her but it would have done less harm. it was already explained that a lot of negative energy was created in the house making the demon more powerful. once the girl was fully possessed she convinced the moronic bf to stay in the house (obviously showing the demon wanted them both to stay there or rather NEEDED them to)

my reasoning comes from things that happened in the movie and common sense. regardless if not moving would have no effect. Human reasoning would be to MOVE ANYWAY. Two people under the belief that they are haunted would make anyone not want to be in that house after being dragged out of your bed and bitten by an invisible force stare that's authentic to you? people sleeping in the same bed a demon is watching over? the bf was a day trader who completely owned that house. I think he does have the money to up and move as he pleases stare

If you paid attention to the movie, you'd already know that the demonologist was out of the country. The consultant never said anything about reaching out to a church, so it makes sense why they wouldn't have thought about it. Sure, it's a common thought. Demon < Church, yeah. But not everyone thinks of these things cause not everyone thinks the same as each other.

Uh, cite your knowledge of demons please? What website do you go to that says moving to a different spot will weaken it? That is utter nonsense. You're right, the negative energy in the current spot strengthened the demon. So by using common sense, wouldn't it take that built up energy with it when it continued to stalk her or does it just put that energy in the closet back at the house for later?

Demons do the least amount of harm only when they are just starting to toy with their victims. Simple things, like explained in the movie, like water dripping from the faucet to the faucet turning on by itself. It slowly progresses and feeds off of the negative energy and fear let out by it's victims. So they get worse and worse and worse over time if you don't do anything about it. Moving to a different location, like your parent's house or something, will NOT weaken it. It knows it can scare you, it knows it can hurt you, it feeds off of the extra fear from running away, and it will follow the victim and continue it's rampage at full force, just in a different location.

Again, he knew he couldn't run from it. His initial response was to run at that one point when she told him she wanted to stay. But in the back of his mind, he knew that would do no good. I can't quite see how someone can be moronic when they're being stalked constantly by a demon. I mean, even if they don't get an exorcism. A hell of a lot of people don't believe in ghosts and demons. I wouldn't expect anyone new to such things to get rid of the demon the right way or any way at all for that matter.

[Preston886]

countMalif

dia-chan

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Authenticity is not what I would call two people who obviously have a situation where someone (or rather something) has invaded their home and do little to nothing about things an example of that was when they actually saw what happened to that Ouiji board and did NOTHING afterwards. Something is causing vandalism in the house, they have proof of it and instead of moving out or consulting someone to do an exorcism they get advice and continue being victims. I call that horror victims with predictable endings stare

Moving out would do nothing. It followed her in the past, this isn't a typical haunting, and it has to do with the girlfriend, not her surroundings. People don't exactly have the means to up and move whenever they wish anyway, and she clearly stated in the movie that she doesn't want to bring the entity to the house of a friend or family member.

They tried consulting someone for an exorcism. That was the entire point of trying to contact the demonologist who happened to be out of town. They had every intention to go through with it when he was to return in a few short days. They also exhausted their efforts with the psychic who turned them down twice. This is a unique situation that doesn't reveal itself to be immediately dangerous until the situation is completely out of control. It's not like there's a ghost hotline, a devil 911 for them to call. I'd imagine it's pretty easy to swiftly exhaust the resources available to you, locally.

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For the sake of debate I'll go along with the rules of the movie and say it was pretty obvious that if they had moved to a place with less negative energy that was building up in the house they would've been safe (an example is how the demon has been on and off due to her moving to different locations.

How do you know it has anything to do with her surroundings and isn't simply the demon's timing of carrying out whatever it's clearly set on doing?

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her first house was burned down, then while going to college she moved into a new place. if she had stayed in one area she would've probably died earlier on in her life) A hospital would've been the first place I would've taken her after her out of body experience in the house. so both spiritually and health wise that would've been the best choice and a simple one at that stare

How do you know it wouldn't have followed her? How could a hospital save her body or soul or whatever from demonic possession? They weren't even entirely sure she WAS possessed. The first time it happened they thought she was walking in her sleep. The second time... well, that was that, and it was too late. I don't think either knew she was possessed at any time.

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as for me not paying attention. that's laughable seeing as during that movie I payed close enough attention to notice that the demon made his presence known in the hours of one o'clock and three o'clock a.m. (usually at 3 a.m.)

That's an obvious fact.

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not to mention most of the time he struck on an odd number day. as I mentioned earlier if she had just moved out of the house and into a place with more positive energy than none of the events would have happened.

How do you know that? Where at all did it clarify her moving had anything to do with staving off her death? Maybe, inevitably, that was something that could have been done and may have helped the situation. Instead of doing so, they wanted to wait the few days for the demonologist. And hey, the plan WOULD have been to leave the house anyway, at the boyfriend's frantic insistance. Unfortunately, it was a little late by then and the demon took advantage of the girl in her state of sleep.

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you can argue that it was due to the bf insisting on provoking the demon that made things happen but realistically speaking if a person who's been hunted by this thing all her life (she even mentions she's seen it with her very own eyes in the past) you would think she would have either been in a deranged state of mind all the time or have the common sense to just run away. at the very least she should've had more knowledge about her situation but that goes against the horror victim code stare

It was kind of obvious that she didn't think the entity was so severe that it could kill her, or progress to the point that it did. Previous experiences were a lot more vague... the old hag syndrome-like things she spoke of, seeing a shadow, etc., which countless people claim to have experienced. She DID take things very seriously, and felt that if provoking the demon stopped, it'd go away.. as it had done in the past. People balk at the thought of leaving their home. It takes a lot to leave something you've rooted yourself in behind, which makes sense. They likely would have left if the thing hadn't manipulated her into saying she wanted to say.

ANYWAY. You're entitled to your opinion and it's kind of pointless to debate on opinion alone, when it comes to whether a movie was good or not. I thought it was decent, you didn't, and that's pretty much all there is to it.

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as for the spiritual advisers. they're a dime a dozen who didn't bother to tell them anything useful. instead they were abandoned. besides this has been a problem her entire life. why wasn't there any real motivation to seek out EVERY possible solution?

A problem that always went away on its own. A problem that never progressed as drastically as it did in the movie. I don't think they've got an office full of demon-exorcists waiting on emergency call.

I enjoyed the way they handled things regardless. It'd have been pretty lame it they just chucked her in a hospital with a straight jacket or had a pretty, priest-chasing-bad-bad-demon-away ending. It was a movie shot in a week, a budget of $11,000 and met for a few scares. Nothing real heavy there, nothing mindblowing. I liked it and would certainly say it's worth a look.

No. they looked for consultation not exorcism. there was no talk of exorcism at all. exorcisms are performed by priests. no one even thought about contacting one but by going by your logic priests must be pretty rare as well. stare

as I said in my previous post I was going by the rules of the movie. The consultant they got advice from suggested they should not do anything to provoke the entity because that would be feeding it negative energy which makes it more powerful (the bf who did not take him seriously decided to disregard that statement) I'm going by something the movie itself wanted to point out.

I never said the demon wouldn't have followed her but it would have done less harm. it was already explained that a lot of negative energy was created in the house making the demon more powerful. once the girl was fully possessed she convinced the moronic bf to stay in the house (obviously showing the demon wanted them both to stay there or rather NEEDED them to)

my reasoning comes from things that happened in the movie and common sense. regardless if not moving would have no effect. Human reasoning would be to MOVE ANYWAY. Two people under the belief that they are haunted would make anyone not want to be in that house after being dragged out of your bed and bitten by an invisible force stare that's authentic to you? people sleeping in the same bed a demon is watching over? the bf was a day trader who completely owned that house. I think he does have the money to up and move as he pleases stare

You must have watched a completely different film than everyone else.

They showed the film clip of the exorcism of Diane(or was it Diana?). In the original screening you see the entire thing and I have to admit, there's a reason why they edited out of the theatrical release. Micah even tells Katie that they performed an exorcism on the girl and it only pissed it off even more and she died. Proof that they don't always go as planned. It's in both versions.

As for the authenticity, it seems legit. No one would run from bumps and thumps in the night. It might as well have been the house settling in for all they knew. It was just small objects misplaced, water running, lights turning on and off, and thumps and bumps. Could be a number of logical things.

Micah wanted to handle this thing as any other man would if something was threatening their girl. He wanted to help her and thought he was, human nature to defend your woman. Katie couldn't leave, if you remember the demon was always with her! Micah at the end wanted to leave, but it convinced him through Katie to stay because it was safe.

You're subjection of reality and authenticity is only blinded by what you would do and conceive as common sense AFTER having watched it.

[dia-chan]

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Authenticity is not what I would call two people who obviously have a situation where someone (or rather something) has invaded their home and do little to nothing about things an example of that was when they actually saw what happened to that Ouiji board and did NOTHING afterwards. Something is causing vandalism in the house, they have proof of it and instead of moving out or consulting someone to do an exorcism they get advice and continue being victims. I call that horror victims with predictable endings stare

Moving out would do nothing. It followed her in the past, this isn't a typical haunting, and it has to do with the girlfriend, not her surroundings. People don't exactly have the means to up and move whenever they wish anyway, and she clearly stated in the movie that she doesn't want to bring the entity to the house of a friend or family member.

They tried consulting someone for an exorcism. That was the entire point of trying to contact the demonologist who happened to be out of town. They had every intention to go through with it when he was to return in a few short days. They also exhausted their efforts with the psychic who turned them down twice. This is a unique situation that doesn't reveal itself to be immediately dangerous until the situation is completely out of control. It's not like there's a ghost hotline, a devil 911 for them to call. I'd imagine it's pretty easy to swiftly exhaust the resources available to you, locally.

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For the sake of debate I'll go along with the rules of the movie and say it was pretty obvious that if they had moved to a place with less negative energy that was building up in the house they would've been safe (an example is how the demon has been on and off due to her moving to different locations.

How do you know it has anything to do with her surroundings and isn't simply the demon's timing of carrying out whatever it's clearly set on doing?

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her first house was burned down, then while going to college she moved into a new place. if she had stayed in one area she would've probably died earlier on in her life) A hospital would've been the first place I would've taken her after her out of body experience in the house. so both spiritually and health wise that would've been the best choice and a simple one at that stare

How do you know it wouldn't have followed her? How could a hospital save her body or soul or whatever from demonic possession? They weren't even entirely sure she WAS possessed. The first time it happened they thought she was walking in her sleep. The second time... well, that was that, and it was too late. I don't think either knew she was possessed at any time.

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as for me not paying attention. that's laughable seeing as during that movie I payed close enough attention to notice that the demon made his presence known in the hours of one o'clock and three o'clock a.m. (usually at 3 a.m.)

That's an obvious fact.

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not to mention most of the time he struck on an odd number day. as I mentioned earlier if she had just moved out of the house and into a place with more positive energy than none of the events would have happened.

How do you know that? Where at all did it clarify her moving had anything to do with staving off her death? Maybe, inevitably, that was something that could have been done and may have helped the situation. Instead of doing so, they wanted to wait the few days for the demonologist. And hey, the plan WOULD have been to leave the house anyway, at the boyfriend's frantic insistance. Unfortunately, it was a little late by then and the demon took advantage of the girl in her state of sleep.

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you can argue that it was due to the bf insisting on provoking the demon that made things happen but realistically speaking if a person who's been hunted by this thing all her life (she even mentions she's seen it with her very own eyes in the past) you would think she would have either been in a deranged state of mind all the time or have the common sense to just run away. at the very least she should've had more knowledge about her situation but that goes against the horror victim code stare

It was kind of obvious that she didn't think the entity was so severe that it could kill her, or progress to the point that it did. Previous experiences were a lot more vague... the old hag syndrome-like things she spoke of, seeing a shadow, etc., which countless people claim to have experienced. She DID take things very seriously, and felt that if provoking the demon stopped, it'd go away.. as it had done in the past. People balk at the thought of leaving their home. It takes a lot to leave something you've rooted yourself in behind, which makes sense. They likely would have left if the thing hadn't manipulated her into saying she wanted to say.

ANYWAY. You're entitled to your opinion and it's kind of pointless to debate on opinion alone, when it comes to whether a movie was good or not. I thought it was decent, you didn't, and that's pretty much all there is to it.

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as for the spiritual advisers. they're a dime a dozen who didn't bother to tell them anything useful. instead they were abandoned. besides this has been a problem her entire life. why wasn't there any real motivation to seek out EVERY possible solution?

A problem that always went away on its own. A problem that never progressed as drastically as it did in the movie. I don't think they've got an office full of demon-exorcists waiting on emergency call.

I enjoyed the way they handled things regardless. It'd have been pretty lame it they just chucked her in a hospital with a straight jacket or had a pretty, priest-chasing-bad-bad-demon-away ending. It was a movie shot in a week, a budget of $11,000 and met for a few scares. Nothing real heavy there, nothing mindblowing. I liked it and would certainly say it's worth a look.

No. they looked for consultation not exorcism. there was no talk of exorcism at all. exorcisms are performed by priests. no one even thought about contacting one but by going by your logic priests must be pretty rare as well. stare

as I said in my previous post I was going by the rules of the movie. The consultant they got advice from suggested they should not do anything to provoke the entity because that would be feeding it negative energy which makes it more powerful (the bf who did not take him seriously decided to disregard that statement) I'm going by something the movie itself wanted to point out.

I never said the demon wouldn't have followed her but it would have done less harm. it was already explained that a lot of negative energy was created in the house making the demon more powerful. once the girl was fully possessed she convinced the moronic bf to stay in the house (obviously showing the demon wanted them both to stay there or rather NEEDED them to)

my reasoning comes from things that happened in the movie and common sense. regardless if not moving would have no effect. Human reasoning would be to MOVE ANYWAY. Two people under the belief that they are haunted would make anyone not want to be in that house after being dragged out of your bed and bitten by an invisible force stare that's authentic to you? people sleeping in the same bed a demon is watching over? the bf was a day trader who completely owned that house. I think he does have the money to up and move as he pleases stare

Yes, it's authentic to me, made sense, was fun and delightful to have something like it released close to Halloween. I enjoyed it and so did enough people to press for it to be viewed nationwide, as did a multitude of critics. Can't please everyone, though biggrin

[Rave_Zombii]

I think this movie was extremely well done. It took me awhile to actually take it seriously, but once it got my attention, it kept it. The actors were extremely good, and the last scene was incredibly well done. It shows human nature, to try and do it our way, even if we don't have the power or knowledge too. This was one of the only movies to actually scare me.